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[jableskage]

well ME was gr8 but ME2 was made for the console fanbois, and it seems they are going that way with DA2... If you go this way Bioware you "will" loose a lot of fans on the PC including myself!

[element eater]

@Maverick827
i didnt say it wouldnt be of good quality i said MMOs  sucku just read into it a statement about quality to me all MMOs suck i dont like the genre so dont say i ever made a statement about its quality your just misquoting me to make a needless point

Modifié par element eater, 08 juillet 2010 - 09:32 .

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I had the TV on in the background last night as I was cooking dinner. I think it was on G4, a station I seldom watch anymore but nothing is on a Wednesday night. Anyway, one of the hosts said "Unlike the movies, game sequels usually are better." Some people say that Bioware games are "cinematic." That's true in some cases as the games being plot driven, occaisionally epic in meaning or scale and immersive. But it's also true in that their sequels are not often better than the originals. Most games (that are successful) undergo minor changes to their mechanics, inventory to add to what exists.



Baldur's Gate is a good example of this. Same inventory, same rules, just more classes, more spells and more weapon and equipment options as the sequels came around. Since then Bioware hasn't made sequels themselves (KotOR 2 and NWN 2) or feels compelled to gut the mechanics and..."streamline" the game like in Mass Effect 2. I fear they are gutting out DA:O now to appeal to what they consider "average gamers." I hope I am wrong.



I actually liked ME 2, but it felt awefully small without the customization to weapons and abilities. Some of it was tedious, yes, but some was quite nice. I liked swapping out barrels and ammo types to make my sniper rifles take down enemies quickly.

[Fishy]

I imagine all the DA:O fans at the announcement of DA2 Hawk

[Onyx Jaguar]

Don't bring me dooooooooown, Bruce

Don't bring me dooooooooown, Bruce

Don't bring me doooooooooaaaaaahowwn

[Sable Rhapsody]

Aratham Darksight wrote...

Depends on what you mean by "let me down". If minor issues that I wish had turned out better count, then sure, plenty of times.

If you mean major disappointments, well, there was the NWN1 campaign. Only Bioware game I stopped playing halfway in disgust.

Same here.  I've had plenty of minor squabbles with BioWare games.  The only major fail I can remember is NWN.  Basically, as far as I can tell, though, this is how the cycle of BioWare games tends to go.

1) BioWare announces new game.
2) NERD RAGE.
3) Periodic updates on the game
4) Periodic NERD RAGE for every update, accompanied by prophecies of calamity and dooom about BioWare ruining the game forever, EA being the spawn of Satan and Cthuhlu, and Chris Priestly and the rest of the dev and mod team eating babies
5) Game launch
6) 95% of fanbase, critics, and more casual gamers love the game 

Rinse, lather, repeat.  It hasn't changed for a while now, and I have every bit of faith in BioWare that the cycle will continue for DA2 

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 08 juillet 2010 - 09:41 .

[Maniac600]

IMO Mavericik needs to learn to read better before he starts pointing fingers.

[Marionetten]

Suprez30 wrote...

I imagine all the DA:O fans at the announcement of DA2 Hawk

My first reaction was utter disbelief.

This came shortly after.

Modifié par Marionetten, 08 juillet 2010 - 09:40 .

[Luthien Lossehelin]

Suprez30 wrote...

I imagine all the DA:O fans at the announcement of DA2 Hawk

Of course, the mental image of many throusands of people simultaneously beginning to stagger around in a black cloak before screaming 'NOOOO' will be keeping me amused for the rest of the evening. Thank you.

[Stexns]

Dragon Age : Origins , Mass Effect 1,2 , great games , but I doubt that I'll like the DA2 , basically because of it's story , i wana play with my charr from the first 1 , dont take that away from us

[Maniac600]

Suprez30 wrote...

I imagine all the DA:O fans at the announcement of DA2 Hawk

Actually it was probably more like this:

[Crayon]

Bioware has not disappointed me and I fins them enchanting, as a matter of fact I am currently honing my skill with the intention of applying for a job with these wonderful people ^^

[Chuvvy]

ME2 was a let down. It was to much gears not enough bioware.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

ME2 was a gigantic disappointment.



Awakening was also a disappointment.



And the only DLC I've really thought worthwhile so far was Leliana's Song.



So, yeah, BioWare's going to have to earn my faith for this one, and they're off to a bad start.

[eviant]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Aratham Darksight wrote...

Depends on what you mean by "let me down". If minor issues that I wish had turned out better count, then sure, plenty of times.

If you mean major disappointments, well, there was the NWN1 campaign. Only Bioware game I stopped playing halfway in disgust.

Same here.  I've had plenty of minor squabbles with BioWare games.  The only major fail I can remember is NWN.  Basically, as far as I can tell, though, this is how the cycle of BioWare games tends to go.

1) BioWare announces new game.
2) NERD RAGE.
3) Periodic updates on the game
4) Periodic NERD RAGE for every update, accompanied by prophecies of calamity and dooom about BioWare ruining the game forever, EA being the spawn of Satan and Cthuhlu, and Chris Priestly and the rest of the dev and mod team eating babies
5) Game launch
6) 95% of fanbase, critics, and more casual gamers love the game 

Rinse, lather, repeat.  It hasn't changed for a while now, and I have every bit of faith in BioWare that the cycle will continue for DA2 

Personally, I don't like that you can directly control the companions in DA:O and I think ME 2 are a little to light on the RPG element, but it doesn't make them any less than amazing games.

Modifié par eviant, 08 juillet 2010 - 09:45 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Maniac600 wrote...

Bioware did let me down, when they chose to make KOTOR into a freaking MMO. Other than that, I have enjoyed every product I've bought from them.

I see TOR as a necessary evil, imagine the money they'd rake in if it surpassed WoW - now take that funding and support their other games with it.

That's the best case scenario, yes. For all we know they could pull a Blizzard on and reallocate all their resources to their newfound money maker, not releasing another game for a decade.

I doubt it would actually happen, but I'm usually the pessimist.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

I'd say there were many things that disappointed me about ME2.  The replayability, the joke that was collectors edition goodies (Half a soundtrack, a tiny art book and "behind the scenes" videos that was really just advertisements) and the lack of true implementation of ME1 decisions. (I was expecting more to be honest)

[flem1]

Yes, yes they have. All DA content after the original game has been subpar. So how is this going to be different?

(But TOR looks fantastic.)

Modifié par flem1, 08 juillet 2010 - 09:46 .

[RobotNixon]

This thread amuses me.

[jableskage]

Slidell505 wrote...

ME2 was a let down. It was to much gears not enough bioware.

AGREED

[eviant]

flem1 wrote...

Yes, yes they have. All DA content after the original game has been subpar. So how is this going to be different?

(But TOR looks fantastic.)

This is a full game, not an expansion. 

And I agree, TOR does look amazing.

Modifié par eviant, 08 juillet 2010 - 09:47 .

[Anbu_BD2021]

BIoware lets me down all the time.... that said I still buy and (for the most part) enjoy their games so I get over it. It's a game. Some people take things way too seriously...

[Aratham Darksight]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Same here.  I've had plenty of minor squabbles with BioWare games.  The only major fail I can remember is NWN.  Basically, as far as I can tell, though, this is how the cycle of BioWare games tends to go.

1) BioWare announces new game.
2) NERD RAGE.
3) Periodic updates on the game
4) Periodic NERD RAGE for every update, accompanied by prophecies of calamity and dooom about BioWare ruining the game forever, EA being the spawn of Satan and Cthuhlu, and Chris Priestly and the rest of the dev and mod team eating babies
5) Game launch
6) 95% of fanbase and more casual gamers love the game 

Rinse, lather, repeat.  It hasn't changed for a while now, and I have every bit of faith in BioWare that the cycle will continue for DA2 

I don't know, I've never seen it quite so bad right after the announcement. Sure, there is always RAGE after a new game hits the shelves, but not even the Mass Effect 2 hate train really hit its stride until the Grunt and Subject Zero character videos came out.
Right now, all we have on DA2 is one paragraph of advertising-speak and 5 bullet points, but the forum is already aflame. I'm beginning to think we have unused stores of RAGE left over from ME2 that are being used up on this.

[RobotNixon]

jableskage wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

ME2 was a let down. It was too much Epic Games not enough Bioware.

AGREED

Fix'd that for ya'.

Modifié par RobotNixon, 08 juillet 2010 - 09:50 .

[Altima Darkspells]

DAA let me down.  An expansion priced ten dollars higher than 'normal' for 15-20 hours of play in an extremely buggy environment.  Not to mention that it came with the 1.03 patch that somewhat fixed the memory leak that BW refuses to acknowledge, it introduced crashes and the broken steal skill.  Adding insult to injury, DAA itself had some severe bugs that should have never made it out the door.

What I think is kinda funny is how BioWare had set up DA2 to lead into what fans really want--a remake of BG2--and they didn't deliver.  Or maybe they will, but doesn't look like.

Dave of Canada wrote...


I see TOR as a necessary evil, imagine the money they'd rake in if it surpassed WoW - now take that funding and support their other games with it.

Yes, because Blizzard took the billions of dollars they made from WoW (Bliz makes near 200 million dollars a month off of subscriptions, alone) and released some excellent, quality games.

Oh wait...

They haven't released a non-WoW game in six years?  The last being TFT in '04 and WC3 in '03?

Well, that's okay because SC2 is right around the corner, and with all the time and money they have, it'll be freakin' spectacular!  Heck, it's been in development for over half a decade.

What?  Blizz pulled most of the team off of SC2 as response to WoW's popularity?  So a company of around four *thousand* employees only had about 50 people working on SC2 for the longest time?  Woops!

TOR doing well will not mean other quality products.  If anything, it will mean that more of BioWare will be folded into the MMO market so that EA can siphon off the real money--especially from the WoW fans who are starting to grow disillusioned with an aging game.