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[The Tizminator]

Yes Bioware has disappointed me:



Suggesting Obsidian develop KOTOR 2 instead of holding off & doing it themselves.

Doing online KOTOR instead of KOTOR 3.



Biggest disappointment was today though:

Bioware announcing that DA2 will be a completely new story, making the hugely enjoyable story & characters from the first one completely meaningless.



Thanks Bioware.

[Lord_Saulot]

Oh, a point I missed in previous post. I recall a lot of complaints about various decisions prior to DAO's release. People were afraid that Bioware had tossed out everything that had made BG2 a great game. When DAO came out, I was happy because I found that the development team had made design choices largely in line with my tastes. That's one reason I'm fairly confident this time.

[Outamyhead]

First off the only thing Bioware had to do with KOTOR2 was the game engine, the rest is Obsidian's fault if you didn't like it.

...I'm actually interested in getting Jade Empire, not to mention Awakening and the last two DLC's that got released, and then there is Mass Effect 1 and 2 I don't even own yet, but keep hearing good things about them.

[David Gaider]

The Tizminator wrote...
Bioware announcing that DA2 will be a completely new story, making the hugely enjoyable story & characters from the first one completely meaningless.

Thanks Bioware.

You're welcome!

Always a pleasure to know that you can make everyone happy, even when providing very little information for them to go on.

[night0205]

Awakening was an expansion pack! You got to import your character... You got to kill more darkspawn from not only one clan, but two. You got to enter the fade again, and bring back an awesome character. You got to make some pretty epic decision. You got to command a frickin' castle. You got to fight tainted werewolves... The characters were actually pretty good... It was a pretty huge expansion... The main villains were actually pretty interesting... They added two specializations for each class, and dozens of talents/spells. Added much armor/weapons. Added many side characters... I really don't understand the big complaints about it. Except for the fact that people were expecting it to be directly related to all the old characters... but it did something new... And guess what that's exactly what Dragon Age 2 is doing. I for one was very satisfied with awakening.

[LPPrince]

David Gaider wrote...

The Tizminator wrote...
Bioware announcing that DA2 will be a completely new story, making the hugely enjoyable story & characters from the first one completely meaningless.

Thanks Bioware.

You're welcome!

Always a pleasure to know that you can make everyone happy, even when providing very little information for them to go on.

*Hugs David*

[Layn]

The Tizminator wrote...

Bioware announcing that DA2 will be a completely new story, making the hugely enjoyable story & characters from the first one completely meaningless.

how does it make that one meaningless? It all still happened. i still had fun playing the first one. If you hadn't stopped the blight in the first one, Hawke wouldn't even exist

[Narrsan]

The Tizminator wrote...

Bioware announcing that DA2 will be a completely new story, making the hugely enjoyable story & characters from the first one completely meaningless.

Thanks Bioware.

Meaningless how? it was only thanks to the story and characters that a future will exist thanks to destroying the blight.

[night0205]

Yeah, destroying the blight... That was no big deal...

[Ecael]

The Tizminator wrote...

Yes Bioware has disappointed me:

Suggesting Obsidian develop KOTOR 2 instead of holding off & doing it themselves.
Doing online KOTOR instead of KOTOR 3.

Biggest disappointment was today though:
Bioware announcing that DA2 will be a completely new story, making the hugely enjoyable story & characters from the first one completely meaningless.

Thanks Bioware.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Ecael stop necro-ing threads. Christ this was 30 minutes old

[Ecael]

David Gaider wrote...

The Tizminator wrote...
Bioware announcing that DA2 will be a completely new story, making the hugely enjoyable story & characters from the first one completely meaningless.

Thanks Bioware.

You're welcome!

Always a pleasure to know that you can make everyone happy, even when providing very little information for them to go on.

Keep up the good work, David (no, that wasn't sarcasm).

People keep praising BioWare for their character development and then bash them when their favorite character doesn't make it into the next game.

Apparently character development means "Please keep my beloved companion without ever making new characters!" these days.

Modifié par Ecael, 09 juillet 2010 - 01:14 .

[RGDekta]

The Tizminator wrote...

Yes Bioware has disappointed me:

Suggesting Obsidian develop KOTOR 2 instead of holding off & doing it themselves.
Doing online KOTOR instead of KOTOR 3.

Biggest disappointment was today though:
Bioware announcing that DA2 will be a completely new story, making the hugely enjoyable story & characters from the first one completely meaningless.

Thanks Bioware.

I think it was LA's Decision on Obsidan but your last point makes no real sense DA:O was the foundation of the world (Thus Origins) and I am pretty sure that the characters and story will actually be in there (big question is will it be a default past of the DA:O story or will they take a clue from the ME group and allow us to import our DA:O save so the world will be like we left it) too early to really make the assumption that the story & characters from Origins will be meaningless.

[Ecael]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ecael stop necro-ing threads. Christ this was 30 minutes old

That's like what, two lifetimes for a Salarian?

[LPPrince]

Ecael wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ecael stop necro-ing threads. Christ this was 30 minutes old

That's like what, two lifetimes for a Salarian?

You know, that hurt Jeirt's feelings.

You know, the salarian Jeirt.

[Helena Tylena]

David Gaider wrote...

The Tizminator wrote...
Bioware announcing that DA2 will be a completely new story, making the hugely enjoyable story & characters from the first one completely meaningless.

Thanks Bioware.

You're welcome!

Always a pleasure to know that you can make everyone happy, even when providing very little information for them to go on.

Ahhh, sarcasm. You taste so sweet. ^^

Anyway, David. You guys don't regret announcing a sequel to one of the most successful games of the past few years yet?

[David Gaider]

Ecael wrote...
Keep up the good work, David (no, that wasn't sarcasm).

People keep praising BioWare for their character development and then bash them when their favorite character doesn't make it into the next game.

Apparently character development means "Please keep my beloved companion without ever making new characters!" these days.

Oh, I don't think it's as bad as that. People get emotionally attached; that's a good thing. Until they can see what the new game actually is, all most people are going to see is what it isn't. That makes it a net negative for them. People will get excited and nervously clench their hands and do the pee-pee dance. All we can do until they learn the answers to their concerns is smile and nod.

[Ecael]

David Gaider wrote...

Ecael wrote...
Keep up the good work, David (no, that wasn't sarcasm).

People keep praising BioWare for their character development and then bash them when their favorite character doesn't make it into the next game.

Apparently character development means "Please keep my beloved companion without ever making new characters!" these days.

Oh, I don't think it's as bad as that. People get emotionally attached; that's a good thing. Until they can see what the new game actually is, all most people are going to see is what it isn't. That makes it a net negative for them. People will get excited and nervously clench their hands and do the pee-pee dance. All we can do until they learn the answers to their concerns is smile and nod.

It is a very good thing, because it illustrates great writing.

However, when those same people realize that their character doesn't last forever, they act like they're some kind of victim of "the man" or "the system" - basically biting the hand that feeds them.

[standardpack]

David Gaider wrote...

Ecael wrote...
Keep up the good work, David (no, that wasn't sarcasm).

People keep praising BioWare for their character development and then bash them when their favorite character doesn't make it into the next game.

Apparently character development means "Please keep my beloved companion without ever making new characters!" these days.

Oh, I don't think it's as bad as that. People get emotionally attached; that's a good thing. Until they can see what the new game actually is, all most people are going to see is what it isn't. That makes it a net negative for them. People will get excited and nervously clench their hands and do the pee-pee dance. All we can do until they learn the answers to their concerns is smile and nod.

I can remember when people where saying the same thing for awakenings.  Who's to say we won't love the characters that will be in DA2?  Though to be fair i am dissapointed that we don't get to play our origins character, but then again we just learned about the game so maybe there is something more for our characters?  Atleast it's something to hope for.

[Layn]

standardpack wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Ecael wrote...
Keep up the good work, David (no, that wasn't sarcasm).

People keep praising BioWare for their character development and then bash them when their favorite character doesn't make it into the next game.

Apparently character development means "Please keep my beloved companion without ever making new characters!" these days.

Oh, I don't think it's as bad as that. People get emotionally attached; that's a good thing. Until they can see what the new game actually is, all most people are going to see is what it isn't. That makes it a net negative for them. People will get excited and nervously clench their hands and do the pee-pee dance. All we can do until they learn the answers to their concerns is smile and nod.

I can remember when people where saying the same thing for awakenings.  Who's to say we won't love the characters that will be in DA2?  Though to be fair i am dissapointed that we don't get to play our origins character, but then again we just learned about the game so maybe there is something more for our characters?  Atleast it's something to hope for.

... but i was all hyped for awakening. It's when i saw what the expansion really is that i got sorta disappointed

[Tarante11a]

Will it have horsies?



j/king

[Helena Tylena]

Crrash wrote...

standardpack wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Ecael wrote...
Keep up the good work, David (no, that wasn't sarcasm).

People keep praising BioWare for their character development and then bash them when their favorite character doesn't make it into the next game.

Apparently character development means "Please keep my beloved companion without ever making new characters!" these days.

Oh, I don't think it's as bad as that. People get emotionally attached; that's a good thing. Until they can see what the new game actually is, all most people are going to see is what it isn't. That makes it a net negative for them. People will get excited and nervously clench their hands and do the pee-pee dance. All we can do until they learn the answers to their concerns is smile and nod.

I can remember when people where saying the same thing for awakenings.  Who's to say we won't love the characters that will be in DA2?  Though to be fair i am dissapointed that we don't get to play our origins character, but then again we just learned about the game so maybe there is something more for our characters?  Atleast it's something to hope for.

... but i was all hyped for awakening. It's when i saw what the expansion really is that i got sorta disappointed

But... but...

Anders!

[Vylan Antagonist]

David Gaider wrote...

[Oh, I don't think it's as bad as that. People get emotionally attached; that's a good thing. Until they can see what the new game actually is, all most people are going to see is what it isn't. That makes it a net negative for them.

If it isn't particularly similar in construction to its predecessor, why call it a sequel at all? If Dark Alliance had been released as Baldur's Gate 3, I think fans would have been very justifiably upset at what it wasn't, but the largest part of that disappointment would have been the expectation gap explicitly created by naming it as a sequel instead of a mechanically different game in the same setting.

It's early, we know very little, I know. But some misconceptions have been cleared up extremely quickly (player race, player origin, player gender, etc). The nature of the combat gameplay, on the other hand, remains disturbingly nebulous.

Calling it 'Dragon Age: Rebellion" would have set up a very different set of expectations for what it is and isn't. If it turned out that the core gameplay for such a game is more Elder Scrolls-like (or God of War-like, or even Jade Empire-like), the only disappointment about what such a game isn't would center around the fact that it isn't DA2 yet. Hope would remain for a sequel more similar to what fans loved about the first.

But take the same game and call it DA2 and yes, naturally, there will be a  great deal more unhappiness about what it isn't. In fact, the disappointment may be keen enough to substantially reduce the fan's inclination to play the game, not because he or she wouldn't enjoy it on its own merits, but precisely because it was named in such a way as to highlight exactly what it is not.

[RGDekta]

Vylan Antagonist wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

[Oh, I don't think it's as bad as that. People get emotionally attached; that's a good thing. Until they can see what the new game actually is, all most people are going to see is what it isn't. That makes it a net negative for them.

If it isn't particularly similar in construction to its predecessor, why call it a sequel at all? If Dark Alliance had been released as Baldur's Gate 3, I think fans would have been very justifiably upset at what it wasn't, but the largest part of that disappointment would have been the expectation gap explicitly created by naming it as a sequel instead of a mechanically different game in the same setting.

It's early, we know very little, I know. But some misconceptions have been cleared up extremely quickly (player race, player origin, player gender, etc). The nature of the combat gameplay, on the other hand, remains disturbingly nebulous.

Calling it 'Dragon Age: Rebellion" would have set up a very different set of expectations for what it is and isn't. If it turned out that the core gameplay for such a game is more Elder Scrolls-like (or God of War-like, or even Jade Empire-like), the only disappointment about what such a game isn't would center around the fact that it isn't DA2 yet. Hope would remain for a sequel more similar to what fans loved about the first.

But take the same game and call it DA2 and yes, naturally, there will be a  great deal more unhappiness about what it isn't. In fact, the disappointment may be keen enough to substantially reduce the fan's inclination to play the game, not because he or she wouldn't enjoy it on its own merits, but precisely because it was named in such a way as to highlight exactly what it is not.

actually Elder Scrolls is Elder Scrolls 1-4 (with 4 being Oblivion) so NOT all sequals are as you say and if you read the actual title is Dragon Age 2 : Rise to Power (similar to The Elder Scrolls 4 : Oblivion or The Elder Scrolls 3 : Morrowind)