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[dukeofyork]

I am just curious.  Im not saying you shouldnt dislike Mass Effect 2.  It is obviously completely subjective and i guess i can see if someone truly lothes games that do not have traditional rpg mechanics why they wouldnt like it, but for a game that has garnered one of the best critical receptions of any game for any of the 3 current hardcore platforms (pc, xbox360, ps3,) and a game I have seen little to no hate for in my interactions with other videogame and rpg die hards in person and on other forums why this game gets such a disproportionately larger amount of hate on biowares own forum?  I just find it truly humorous and wanted to see if there was a clear cut reason I am overlooking.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

The story and some gameplay changes.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Some oldschool RPG fans disaproves of the new gameplay.



Some other people (like me) simply hate the poor story that ME2 offers.

[BlackyBlack]

It's a vocal minority of a couple of trolls that have not nothing better to do than bash ME2. They think RPG means turn based combat and millions of millions of useless items



The majority prefers ME2 over ME1. There proof on lots of poll and User Votes on lots of sites are higher for ME2

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Its funny, Ive seen plenty of discontent elsewhere. Talking about discontent with ME2 in most places on the Bioware site other than the disappointment thread is likely to get you flamed by some overprotective fanboy. Edit: Sorry, even there there is a contingent of the Bioware defence force, ready to steadfastly deny almost any criticism ME2 gets.

But yeah, most people openly list their reasons.

Some of the most common are an awful main plot, and far too much emphasis on cover based shooter combat. I certainly share some of these views, and ME2 was a massive disappointment for me.

Modifié par Dinkamus_Littlelog, 08 juillet 2010 - 10:33 .

[dukeofyork]

which is why you have a mass effect 2 avatar? lol



The plot for me is why it is just about my favorite game... which i guess is the main point of confusion with me its the one area I see little to complain about and yet I see the most hatred against in... whatever each to his or her own

[Darktom77]

BlackyBlack wrote...

It's a vocal minority of a couple of trolls that have not nothing better to do than bash ME2. They think RPG means turn based combat and millions of millions of useless items

The majority prefers ME2 over ME1. There proof on lots of poll and User Votes on lots of sites are higher for ME2

i personally prefer me1 over me2 but im not one of those rpg people you meant, i know rpgs can be very different i just liked that me1 had some sort of customization whereas me2 had none except for what weapon to use which there wasnt much choice of either, also the story in me1 was was superior and i think the health system in me2 is horrible, but thats just my opinion, also dont get me wrong i still love me2 it is an absoulutly brilliant game.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

Darktom77 wrote...

i personally prefer me1 over me2 but im not one of those rpg people you meant, i know rpgs can be very different i just liked that me1 had some sort of customization whereas me2 had none except for what weapon to use which there wasnt much choice of either, also the story in me1 was was superior and i think the health system in me2 is horrible, but thats just my opinion, also dont get me wrong i still love me2 it is an absoulutly brilliant game.

Yup, now that the massive overhyping is pretty much gone over ME2, thoughts like this crop up on many of the gaming sites I visit.  People dont "hate" the game, but anyone claiming its a "vocal minority" and "the vast majority prefer ME2" is denying just how many people are willing to come out say ME2 just didnt do it for them as much as ME1, despite its technical and gameplay flaws.

[Barquiel]

BlackyBlack wrote...

It's a vocal minority of a couple of trolls that have not nothing better to do than bash ME2.

Someone having a different opinion (even a minority opinion) does not make them a troll:unsure:

Modifié par Barquiel, 08 juillet 2010 - 10:40 .

[Corvus Black]

i dont hate me2, but i dont like the gameplay changes either.

[BlackyBlack]

Barquiel wrote...

BlackyBlack wrote...

It's a vocal minority of a couple of trolls that have not nothing better to do than bash ME2.

Someone having different opinion (even a minority opinion) does not make them a troll:unsure:

Some of them aren't, but others like Smudboy and Kalfear bash ME2 while arrogantly refusing to listen any evidence or reason and thinking they're always right

[cachx]

Barquiel wrote...

BlackyBlack wrote...
It's a vocal minority of a couple of trolls that have not nothing better to do than bash ME2.

Someone having different opinion (even a minority opinion) does not make them a troll:unsure:

This is true, however lots of posters try to make their points across in a obnoxious, rude and arrogant fashion. Wich kinda ruins it for the legitimate posters.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Someone post that "I know where this thread is going" picture.

[Melra]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Someone post that "I know where this thread is going" picture.

And now you ruined it. Nobody dares to post it, because they couldn't get the credit for being ''clever''. 

[Kitteh303]

Some people just don't like it.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Melrache wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Someone post that "I know where this thread is going" picture.

And now you ruined it. Nobody dares to post it, because they couldn't get the credit for being ''clever''. 

[wrexingcrew]

Ok, here goes.

I think Mass Effect 2 is an impressive game in a lot of ways. It's a really well-polished and satisfying shooter. Many of the characters are great. The structure is clever - it manages to integrate what would otherwise be side quests into the main arc. It had that characteristic BioWare care: lots of great little touches, details, and in-jokes.

It also loses some of the strong points of the first Mass Effect, and creates some new problems. We're all familiar with the complaints about inventory and the loss of RPG elements, complaints I generally share. The little changes that diminish immersion bug me too, as well as the loss of admittedly-flawed elements like the uncharted worlds (which could have been improved, sure, but didn't need to be eliminated entirely). Yes, I miss the elevators. Yes, I think end-mission screens are silly. I understand that many people feel differently.

There are plenty of people who use the Gears comparison as an insult. I'm not one of them. I think the first Gears was an incredibly effective third-person shooter - lots of fun, satisfying mechanics, pretty decent atmosphere (with admittedly thin characters and story). The second was overstuffed, but that's irrelevant to the discussion here. The use of Unreal means ME is going to get Gears comparisons, and the shift toward the shooter end of the spectrum for ME2 makes those comparisons even more likely. I think as far as so-called "Gears clones" go, ME2 is actually very effective mechanically. It's not as good, but few games would be. I have a bigger issue with the level design. Parts of ME2 felt like sloppy reproductions of levels Gears did, and did better. The most egregious example was Jack's loyalty mission, which was written very thoughtfully but implemented from a level design standpoint like a poor copy of the factory from the first Gears.

Without getting into spoilers, I also couldn't stand the very end of the game. I'm hesitant to use this phrase, but it was almost a jumping-the-shark moment. I understand that games should be fun, and that there are more important qualities than plausibility, but that ending came dangerously close to breaking the existing fiction of the Mass Effect universe. I really, really hope Mass Effect 3 takes itself a little more seriously.

There were a lot of great moments in Mass Effect 2, and a lot of great elements. I just felt disappointed in the game as a whole, as much as I can appreciate the work that went into it.

[Gumbeaux Jr]

I appreciate both games. I take that back. I LOVE both games.

[Shotokanguy]

I'd say there's so much discussion because Mass Effect is an ambitious series and 2 games in, no one really agrees on/knows what they want from the games.

[Pocketgb]

Because Mass Effect in general is a very different turn for Bioware. Bioware posters have been very vocal about since it was announced that the series would have a focus on third-person-shooter gameplay. It's also Bioware's first direct sequel since BG2 and they use their own systems.

Modifié par Pocketgb, 08 juillet 2010 - 11:34 .

[AlanC9]

Shotokanguy wrote...

I'd say there's so much discussion because Mass Effect is an ambitious series and 2 games in, no one really agrees on/knows what they want from the games.

Yep. The problem with doing a sequel to ME1 is that ME1 fans aren't very unified about what they like. Bio decided not to just play it safe with ME2. The natural result is that they pleased some folks and displeased others.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Some people like spending half an hour cleaning out their inventory of all of the crap they picked up...

[Sursion]

Because the people who like the game are busy playing it.

[MassEffect762]

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/103/index/1472797

^ Eventually some Mod will tell you to go and read this thread.

Bioware is better than ME2, end of story.

Modifié par MassEffect762, 09 juillet 2010 - 01:34 .

[Spectre 117]

Thre is never gonna be a game that every single person who plays it will love it,simpy put many see zelda ocarina of time as the greatest game ever while others say it was the worst piece of crap ever.To be honest when i played the first ME1 i had so many expectations that when it was first released i was dissapointed to the point i beat it and sold it then after a year i bought it again and played through it and was far more amazed with it than the first time.Why i am trying to say is that so many of the fans of ME2 had some expectations of what it would be like and when it arrived it wasnt what they expected and in turn were disappointed.