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[Saibh]

What is this wrote...

1.Please keep in mind they only have one official video of Malehawke. The rest are youtube taken from gameshows. I've also been looking around the site, and can't  find a single screenshot of Hawke of ANY sex.
Just a video.

More like four official videos (Destiny, Rise to Power, Dev Diary 1, Combat, possibly more that I'm forgetting) and maybe fifteen or so screenshots with MaleHawke, and one of FemHawke.

2. Females are hardly an important demographic ot there market,
i'd guess about 2% of there overall sales for origins were to females.

No. No. Studies have it that women account for about 40% of the gaming market, but there's no telling what was being factored in, and I wouldn't use the number it to prove my point--just to indicate there's more than you think.

3.It's common knowledge that most gamers are male, Play an online game and see how many females you find, although that may not be accurate it is a good indication of the market. and as i said before, closer to release when there is more hype towards the game it will probaly add some screenshots of femhawke.

It's a terrible indication, actually. Most women don't talk online because guys hit on them and treat them like crap. None of my sisters do, nor do any of my female friends. A lot of women pretend to be men--I've done it several times.

Don't take this the wrong way because I'm not trying to insult you, but thinking like yours is half the problem--no, most of the problem. The idea that women don't play games, might never play games, and if they do, there's only a few of them. It's uninformed and a very tired way to view the industry. If you don't think change will happen and you don't acknowledge it when it does, it will be very slow in coming.

Modifié par Saibh, 20 décembre 2010 - 03:50 .

[Kakistos_]

I would like to point out that Bioware is not responsible for the marketing of their games(Activision?). And also female gamers may be in the minority but their numbers are more than enough to warrant marketing attention. Some surveys would suggest that female gamers are nearly half of the PC gamer demagraphic.

[What is this]

I'd also like to repeat that were still 4 months from release, that's alot of time to put up more screenshots and video. Bioware marketing may be withholding screenshots and what not closer to release because the team is still polishing the game and/or they want to generate hype closer to the games release.

[syllogi]

Saibh wrote...

I utterly understand why they chose a particular "face". I personally think that asking for female Hawke to be on the cover is too much, too fast (which is not what everyone is asking for). Easing our way into marketing works a little better. Already Lady Hawke has been marketed more than FemShep ever has been.

The information drip has been slow coming indeed. We only just learned ManHawke's voice actor (we hope). We know both of their default models, their default names, and we have clues as to who her VA is. I'd like to know who the voice actress is--that's definitely the next step. I'd love to see a trailer devoted solely to her story. That'd make my day...week. It'd make my gaming year. Not a CG one necessarily, but a trailer nonetheless.

Thus far, I've been rather pleased with how everything has gone. John Epler told us their dividing up animations for the male and female models 50/50.

So, you know, I'd like to thank BioWare for not forgetting us girls in the mix.

Based on Dragon Age Origins' marketing, and what we've seen so far, I'm not as worried as I was the day DA2 was announced, along with images of BeardHawke.  I feared that DA2 was taking Mass Effect's lead and would only acknowledge this dude in marketing, but even the one screenshot released to the press, along with allowing FemHawke to be played at cons, has been pretty reasonable.

I still want to see more screenshots, some in game footage of FemHawke, and to hear her VA, but I suspect we'll be getting that when those journalist who got copies of the game start posting their previews.  Not bad at all, compared to ME1 and 2.

[Wishpig]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Lets not forget feminine tends to scare off male gamers more then masculine scares of female. Maria brought that up and its a great point. And its true!

Just look at MMO. Guy playing a girl is a HUGE taboo to many. Girl playing a guy is not.

So throwing more feminine characters in may hurt more then it would help.

Face it. The best selling games have stupid over the top manly men all over the place.

Like Portal? Fable? Mario Party? Puzzle games? Pokemon? Soul Calibur? Perfect Dark? Metroid?

Four of those games are in the top ten best selling lists of all time

Shall I list more?

Feminine doesn't have to be feminine. It can be gender neutral.

Errrr feminine does have to be feminine thats why it's feminine. Gender neutral has to be gender neutral cause thats what it is. I don't get THAT statement, but I think I get what you're getting at here.

Pokemon, Mario Party, and Puzzle games are marketed towards a VERY diffrent crowd.  Portal is caried by the Half-Life name (whose face is a guy in an uber suit with a brutal crowbar), Soul Calibur is all about barely clothed girls in what could loosly be called clothes... which is actually masculine in a sense. Metroid only stars a female character there is no other way to do it... and I am not saying those games don't sell... just in the case of Dragon Age where it could go masculine or feminine... its prob a safer bet to go masculine.

Fable is a good counter point though.

But see what I like about hawke is the fact she isn't some soul calibur super model. She looks tough and gruff. I wouldn't f*** with her. Sadly thats not a selling point to guys. They want big ***s or bad*** guys.

Despite my earlier annoyance. Let me tell you, I get it, I do. I'm a fan of dwarfs, and I mah towards elves. In games with elves and dwarfs, elves always get the top spot. Dwarfs almost never do, they always get pushed to the back. Despite having a decent fanbase, it's more prudent to advertise elves. Not that diffrent from this debate.

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Sometimes people want a
change.  Many successful games have already latched onto the fact that
you can sell just by being unique and, you know, having a good game...

Lol you new to the forums.

Modifié par Wishpig, 20 décembre 2010 - 03:58 .

[Maria Caliban]

Morroian wrote...

Aermas wrote...

So the Jedi gave the character a mind wipe & a sex change?
The character in both KOTOR & KOTOR 2 is the same

Revan=The Exile? Since when?

Indeed. I'm not sure how anyone could play KotOR 2 and think they were the same person. The Exile has several conversations about Revan with others.

Saibh wrote...

2. Females are hardly an important demographic ot there market,
i'd guess about 2% of there overall sales for origins were to females.

No. No. Studies have it that women account for about 40% of the gaming market, but there's no telling what was being factored in, and I wouldn't use the number it to prove my point--just to indicate there's more than you think.

There are studies where female gamers account for the majority of the gaming market, but those include casual games. For the people BioWare is likely to attract, we might look at World of Warcraft where one-third of the player base is female.

However, BioWare knows what percentage of players picked a female PC for Dragon Age. Whether the gamer is male or female, what matters is what gender they want to play as.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 20 décembre 2010 - 04:02 .

[What is this]

Saibh wrote...

What is this wrote...

1.Please keep in mind they only have one official video of Malehawke. The rest are youtube taken from gameshows. I've also been looking around the site, and can't  find a single screenshot of Hawke of ANY sex.
Just a video.

More like four official videos (Destiny, Rise to Power, Dev Diary 1, Combat, possibly more that I'm forgetting) and maybe fifteen or so screenshots with MaleHawke, and one of FemHawke.

2. Females are hardly an important demographic ot there market,
i'd guess about 2% of there overall sales for origins were to females.

No. No. Studies have it that women account for about 40% of the gaming market, but there's no telling what was being factored in, and I wouldn't use the number it to prove my point--just to indicate there's more than you think.

3.It's common knowledge that most gamers are male, Play an online game and see how many females you find, although that may not be accurate it is a good indication of the market. and as i said before, closer to release when there is more hype towards the game it will probaly add some screenshots of femhawke.

It's a terrible indication, actually. Most women don't talk online because guys hit on them and treat them like crap. None of my sisters do, nor do any of my female friends. A lot of women pretend to be men--I've done it several times.

Don't take this the wrong way because I'm not trying to insult you, but thinking like yours is half the problem--no, most of the problem. The idea that women don't play games, might never play games, and if they do, there's only a few of them. It's uninformed and a very tired way to view the industry. If you don't think change will happen and you don't acknowledge it when it does, it will be very slow in coming.

1.I'm looking on the site and see no Male hawke screenshots anywhere. I stand corrected on the videos. But they still show very little exposure of Hawke Overall(except the CGI)
2.your right about those studies, but they now include Wii which is a much more casual system that has brought in a new generation of gamers, But DA isn't on the wii. Hardcore Female gamers are much more of a rarity i'm sure. If you look at polls/studies of the market from 6 years ago before the Wii was released you'll see a Greatly reduced number.
3. I'm simply thinking from a marketing standpoint. Marketing is seeking to sell there game, not change the industry so that female gamers will one day be more active in the market.


Edit: i'd also like to say i sympathsize for Femhawke supporters. But i think it's unrealistic to expect to get any response to this thread from Marketing. They need to sell the game, not appease the fanbasewho is gonna buy the game regardless of what screenshots they release.
I'd also like to say again I think there will be more Screenshots of femhawke int he future and the game is still 4 months away, so complaining about the games exposure seems Premature

Modifié par What is this, 20 décembre 2010 - 04:02 .

[HolyJellyfish]

What is this wrote...
Sterotype in marketing and steroytype marketing are two completley diffrent things, one is not a term (which you orignally used) the other does not fit your arguements. Bioware is not assuming there Demographics intrest or portraying a sterotype in anyway. It's simply a fact that there are more Male gamers than female. They aren't assuming females Don't like videogames, they know there are less so they put out less to appeal to them.

No, I made myself very clear. When you don't have enough numbers to support an argument one way or another, and you rely on a system that is suppose to work (in this case, campaigning only to men on ALL PR materials), that is using stereotype marketting schemes. It fits into the predetermined psychology of the buyer, which is male, which is a stereotype.

1.Please keep in mind they only have one official video of Malehawke. The rest are youtube taken from gameshows. I've also been looking around the site, and can't  find a single screenshot of Hawke of ANY sex.
Just a video.

Looking at the website right now, Male hawke is on the front page, the background, two trailers, game covers, no mention of customizing appearance & gender on the front page along the features, combat walkthrough, commentary, desktop images...
Were you looking at the same site?

http://dragonage.bioware.com/da2/

2. Females are hardly an important demographic ot there market,
i'd guess about 2% of there overall sales for origins were to females.

There are no solid numbers suggesting how many women are interested in the game on the market. For that matter, it could also be suggested there are no solid numbers suggesting men either.

2% is really really low. Average 20% of women play WoW, but that is pretty loosey goosey. But trying to tap into the market by putting up official screen grabs on your official website is not a bad thing to see how it may increase your numbers, and therefore give you more data.

3.It's common knowledge that most gamers are male, Play an online game and see how many females you find, although that may not be accurate it is a good indication of the market. and as i said before, closer to release when there is more hype towards the game it will probaly add some screenshots of femhawke.

Marketing cares about Sales, not the opinion of the consumer unless it signfigantly affects sales. They are already Tapping into the female market by Giving a FULLY voiced non tomb raider style proggy.   and as i said b4 they'll likley advertise it more openly closer to release in order to generate hype.

Also once again i'll each screen they release draws more to criticize, I don't know Biowares marketing stategy. But i can pretty much promise you they're not witholding Fem hawke screenshots because they don't care about females.

I call BS. Everyone always says 'Where are the girls playing videogames?' 

Trust me. There's plenty of us. Most online forums, ladies won't show themselves because of harassment. And it isn't a good indication of the market.

Consumer opinion is important if it affects sales. It is well known that women are commonly ignored in the gaming industry, and if they are marketted to, its through pretty irritating forms (Pink games, anyone? Wii fitness? Really?). So my argument is, that other companies aren't choosing to tap into this typically ignored group.

A little website PR never hurt, and it would help pick up more money.

[Aermas]

Sorry I may be wrong. It has been years since I played it & I could have gotten something confused.

[Ziggeh]

What is this wrote...

2.your right about those studies, but they now include Wii which is a much more casual system that has brought in a new generation of gamers, But DA isn't on the wii. Hardcore Female gamers are much more of a rarity i'm sure. If you look at polls/studies of the market from 6 years ago before the Wii was released you'll see a Greatly reduced number.

2004 you say?: http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Girl_gamer

Just googling "women" and "games" found studies quoted that contradict you.

[Maria Caliban]

What is this wrote...

1.I'm looking on the site and see no Male hawke screenshots anywhere. I stand corrected on the videos. But they still show very little exposure of Hawke Overall(except the CGI)

When you go to the official site, Male Hawke is front and center, and then he's right to side of the main screen.

Aermas wrote...

Sorry I may be wrong. It has been years since I played it & I could have gotten something confused.

It's fine.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 20 décembre 2010 - 04:08 .

[What is this]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

What is this wrote...
Sterotype in marketing and steroytype marketing are two completley diffrent things, one is not a term (which you orignally used) the other does not fit your arguements. Bioware is not assuming there Demographics intrest or portraying a sterotype in anyway. It's simply a fact that there are more Male gamers than female. They aren't assuming females Don't like videogames, they know there are less so they put out less to appeal to them.

No, I made myself very clear. When you don't have enough numbers to support an argument one way or another, and you rely on a system that is suppose to work (in this case, campaigning only to men on ALL PR materials), that is using stereotype marketting schemes. It fits into the predetermined psychology of the buyer, which is male, which is a stereotype.

1.Please keep in mind they only have one official video of Malehawke. The rest are youtube taken from gameshows. I've also been looking around the site, and can't  find a single screenshot of Hawke of ANY sex.
Just a video.

Looking at the website right now, Male hawke is on the front page, the background, two trailers, game covers, no mention of customizing appearance & gender on the front page along the features, combat walkthrough, commentary, desktop images...
Were you looking at the same site?

http://dragonage.bioware.com/da2/

2. Females are hardly an important demographic ot there market,
i'd guess about 2% of there overall sales for origins were to females.

There are no solid numbers suggesting how many women are interested in the game on the market. For that matter, it could also be suggested there are no solid numbers suggesting men either.

2% is really really low. Average 20% of women play WoW, but that is pretty loosey goosey. But trying to tap into the market by putting up official screen grabs on your official website is not a bad thing to see how it may increase your numbers, and therefore give you more data.

3.It's common knowledge that most gamers are male, Play an online game and see how many females you find, although that may not be accurate it is a good indication of the market. and as i said before, closer to release when there is more hype towards the game it will probaly add some screenshots of femhawke.

Marketing cares about Sales, not the opinion of the consumer unless it signfigantly affects sales. They are already Tapping into the female market by Giving a FULLY voiced non tomb raider style proggy.   and as i said b4 they'll likley advertise it more openly closer to release in order to generate hype.

Also once again i'll each screen they release draws more to criticize, I don't know Biowares marketing stategy. But i can pretty much promise you they're not witholding Fem hawke screenshots because they don't care about females.

I call BS. Everyone always says 'Where are the girls playing videogames?' 

Trust me. There's plenty of us. Most online forums, ladies won't show themselves because of harassment. And it isn't a good indication of the market.

Consumer opinion is important if it affects sales. It is well known that women are commonly ignored in the gaming industry, and if they are marketted to, its through pretty irritating forms (Pink games, anyone? Wii fitness? Really?). So my argument is, that other companies aren't choosing to tap into this typically ignored group.

A little website PR never hurt, and it would help pick up more money.

No, You have a wrong definition of Sterotyping.
A stereotype is a commonly held public belief about specific social
groups, or types of individuals. The concepts of "stereotype" and
"prejudice" are often confused with many other different meanings.Your confusing it with Core Demographic.  ... If Bioware Believed all there Male demographic were nerds who lived in there parents basment that woulld be sterotypeing in marketing. Believing that there a fewer Female gamers than males is not sterotyping

1. I don't see any Ingame screenshots, and as i said b4 the game is 4months from release, the site is SUbject to change as the game get's closer to release.

2.Once again were 4 months away I think they'll put up more screenshots closer to release, in order to generate hype.

3. I don't know Biowares marketing strategy, but i'm almost certain they will put up more screens  and maybe videos of femhawke closer to release.  but if they don't, they have a reason not to other than they don't care about females. They care about sales that's it.

[Wishpig]

HolyJellyfish wrote...
Consumer opinion is important if it affects sales. It is well known that women are commonly ignored in the gaming industry, and if they are marketted to, its through pretty irritating forms (Pink games, anyone? Wii fitness? Really?). So my argument is, that other companies aren't choosing to tap into this typically ignored group.

Ya know how earlier I explained my little theory about complaints hidden via "but I just want to help bioware!" How I thought there was underlying gender entitlement behind your posts and you were just hiding it beneath the whole "its for bioware" angle.

And I was just starting to think I was wrong too.

[What is this]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

What is this wrote...

2.your right about those studies, but they now include Wii which is a much more casual system that has brought in a new generation of gamers, But DA isn't on the wii. Hardcore Female gamers are much more of a rarity i'm sure. If you look at polls/studies of the market from 6 years ago before the Wii was released you'll see a Greatly reduced number.

2004 you say?: http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Girl_gamer

Just googling "women" and "games" found studies quoted that contradict you.

"these numbers also include casual games."
This could apply to playing flash games on the internet.
I also checked the source on both studies which lead me to a dead end page. I'll need a better source than that before i buy that 40% of gamers are female.

[What is this]

Maria Caliban wrote...

What is this wrote...

1.I'm looking on the site and see no Male hawke screenshots anywhere. I stand corrected on the videos. But they still show very little exposure of Hawke Overall(except the CGI)

When you go to the official site, Male Hawke is front and center, and then he's right to side of the main screen.

Aermas wrote...

Sorry I may be wrong. It has been years since I played it & I could have gotten something confused.

It's fine.

[redloz]

It's just a marketing tactic. Dudes are the target group, put a dude on the cover. To be honest I think it f***ing sucks but ultimately i'd rather not worry over something i can't do anything about, life's hard enough.

[Ziggeh]

What is this wrote...

I also checked the source on both studies which lead me to a dead end page. I'll need a better source than that before i buy that 40% of gamers are female.

Again, 30 seconds of google, both sources:

2004
2009

[asaiasai]

David Gaider wrote...

There's already a thread on this very subject, but I'll respond to it with my thoughts:

I'd love to see a female iconic character. I adore female action heroines-- maybe it's a Ripley fixation from watching Alien/Aliens when I was much younger, I don't know.

That said, I can kind of get why we might choose an iconic male character. For an RPG we're talking about putting forward a character that you'd like to be... and as much as a female player says that they can't identify with a male iconic character, if that's true it would also be true in reverse with a female iconic character for a much larger portion of the fanbase, no? You can't have it both ways and say that male players will enjoy looking at a female player character and don't need to identify with her.

I also suspect that if we did put forward a female iconic character (a la Aribeth) the response could easily be that we made her too sexy. A bit of "damned if you do, damned if you don't", perhaps. Hard to say, but we're going to always have to pick one, and the idea is to be eye-catching and sexy-- as opposed to politically correct. I'm no marketing guy, but that seems to be pretty much a given.

That said, I hope you enjoy the character and the game for what it is, rather than dwelling on what you perceive it might have been. You do get to play a female character, and as always we make plenty of options to accomodate female players in the game.

Hope that helps. Cheers!

Completely and totaly understand Tarna from Heavy Metal was mine, and to this day as a male when i play a game in almost every situation where a choice is given i will play a revisualized version of my first love. I played WoW for years and every WoW character i have made is female, concerning DOA i have 22 characters and 20 of the 22 are females. Lara Croft, Mrs. Smith, Salt, the nimble little minx assasin from Aeon Flux was especially hot, she would whack a guy and then lick the barrel of her revolver hawt hawt.

I see both sides of the discussion from a feeling of left out or behind by female gamers. I think video gaming needs more female gamers and that would be the best thing to ever happen to gaming as an industry, but there has to be a reason for them to become involved but there also needs to be a hook. I do not think it really could hurt if there was a female PC on the box art i personally would buy that cover just because of the novelty, and i would be willing to pay more for that novelty. Mr. Gaider you will not have to expend much effort to get me to buy DA2, it is already  pre ordered from Amazon, but that does not mean there is no relevane to the position i share with several other posters here who like me have already pre ordered thier copy of DA2. 

Probably not much that can be done anyway this late in the game but it is something to ponder for future games would you not agree Mr. Gaider?

Asai 

[HolyJellyfish]

Wishpig wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...
Consumer opinion is important if it affects sales. It is well known that women are commonly ignored in the gaming industry, and if they are marketted to, its through pretty irritating forms (Pink games, anyone? Wii fitness? Really?). So my argument is, that other companies aren't choosing to tap into this typically ignored group.

Ya know how earlier I explained my little theory about complaints hidden via "but I just want to help bioware!" How I thought there was underlying gender entitlement behind your posts and you were just hiding it beneath the whole "its for bioware" angle.

And I was just starting to think I was wrong too.

Keep the gender entitlement at the door please. It belittles the comment.

I'm saying - More representation = More fans.

The end.

[HolyJellyfish]

What is this wrote...

No, You have a wrong definition of Sterotyping.
A stereotype is a commonly held public belief about specific social
groups, or types of individuals.

In this case - Only boys buy videogames. We will market to the boys.

The concepts of "stereotype" and
"prejudice" are often confused with many other different meanings.Your confusing it with Core Demographic.  ... If Bioware Believed all there Male demographic were nerds who lived in there parents basment that woulld be sterotypeing in marketing. Believing that there a fewer Female gamers than males is not sterotyping

Untrue.

"For example, stereotype marketing ideologies might focus too much on one
group and ignore another equally, or even more important. For example,
target only kids for (non-PC) video games and lose access to millions of
customers. Nearly a quarter of all video games are purchased by
consumers aged 40 and older, and 38% of all video game sales are made by
women."
Source

1. I don't see any Ingame screenshots, and as i said b4 the game is 4months from release, the site is SUbject to change as the game get's closer to release.

I certainly hope so.

2.Once again were 4 months away I think they'll put up more screenshots closer to release, in order to generate hype.

I certainly hope so.

3. I don't know Biowares marketing strategy, but i'm almost certain they will put up more screens  and maybe videos of femhawke closer to release.  but if they don't, they have a reason not to other than they don't care about females. They care about sales that's it.

If they don't, they are neglecting their market.

I'm suggesting sales could improve if they showed some videos or were more clear you can alter the gender.

I'm speaking from my personal experience, and from the experience of my friends.

[HolyJellyfish]

asaiasai wrote...

Completely and totaly understand Tarna from Heavy Metal was mine, and to this day as a male when i play a game in almost every situation where a choice is given i will play a revisualized version of my first love. I played WoW for years and every WoW character i have made is female, concerning DOA i have 22 characters and 20 of the 22 are females. Lara Croft, Mrs. Smith, Salt, the nimble little minx assasin from Aeon Flux was especially hot, she would whack a guy and then lick the barrel of her revolver hawt hawt.

I see both sides of the discussion from a feeling of left out or behind by female gamers. I think video gaming needs more female gamers and that would be the best thing to ever happen to gaming as an industry, but there has to be a reason for them to become involved but there also needs to be a hook. I do not think it really could hurt if there was a female PC on the box art i personally would buy that cover just because of the novelty, and i would be willing to pay more for that novelty. Mr. Gaider you will not have to expend much effort to get me to buy DA2, it is already  pre ordered from Amazon, but that does not mean there is no relevane to the position i share with several other posters here who like me have already pre ordered thier copy of DA2. 

Probably not much that can be done anyway this late in the game but it is something to ponder for future games would you not agree Mr. Gaider?

Asai 

The only thing I'm suggesting is that marketting should look into giving more information on the website, so that Bioware can access women who have never played the games but maybe interested. If not women, then men who want to play a female character.

Opening the door a smidgen, by suggesting you can physically alter an iconic hero is pretty powerful and raises the appeal of the franchise. Otherwise, it looks like Mass Effect's marketting.

The game is wonderful, but I would never have guessed it was gender neutral/friendly, unless (AGAIN) I had not stumbled across a fan video.

It would be interesting to see how many other people are turned off by this market, but who could be interested if there was just a little more information out there that suggests 'Hey. This isn't your only choice. You can customize.'

Even if its on a smaller avenue like the website. At least, there.

[Saibh]

What is this wrote...

"these numbers also include casual games."
This could apply to playing flash games on the internet.
I also checked the source on both studies which lead me to a dead end page. I'll need a better source than that before i buy that 40% of gamers are female.

Zigge provided the 40% source--Maria told you 1/3 of Warcraft players are female (you know, 33%).

Compare this to the two percent you tried pushing. You strongly and stubbornly held a belief that women didn't game and you had no inclination to alter or research it. Hell, these forums should have given you an idea that two percent is incredibly tiny.

In any case, you want Male Hawke screencaps? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.

I want to make it clear I don't sit here seething everytime a Man Hawke screen is released instead of a Lady Hawke. My issue is you want to claim there are no screencaps with him in it (and therefore undermining the cause we are supporting). On the DA2 page, as pointed out by others, he's right there in the center, on the box art, on the side windows opposite Flemeth, and you see a still image of him in the Rise to Power trailer. This is right on the front page. The DA2 page does not host the majority of screencaps.

As I've said, I'm quite pleased with the exposure she's gotten for, and I hope patiently that we'll see more.

Modifié par Saibh, 20 décembre 2010 - 05:16 .

[asaiasai]

Saibh wrote...

What is this wrote...

1.Please keep in mind they only have one official video of Malehawke. The rest are youtube taken from gameshows. I've also been looking around the site, and can't  find a single screenshot of Hawke of ANY sex.
Just a video.

More like four official videos (Destiny, Rise to Power, Dev Diary 1, Combat, possibly more that I'm forgetting) and maybe fifteen or so screenshots with MaleHawke, and one of FemHawke.

2. Females are hardly an important demographic ot there market,
i'd guess about 2% of there overall sales for origins were to females.

No. No. Studies have it that women account for about 40% of the gaming market, but there's no telling what was being factored in, and I wouldn't use the number it to prove my point--just to indicate there's more than you think.

3.It's common knowledge that most gamers are male, Play an online game and see how many females you find, although that may not be accurate it is a good indication of the market. and as i said before, closer to release when there is more hype towards the game it will probaly add some screenshots of femhawke.

It's a terrible indication, actually. Most women don't talk online because guys hit on them and treat them like crap. None of my sisters do, nor do any of my female friends. A lot of women pretend to be men--I've done it several times.

Don't take this the wrong way because I'm not trying to insult you, but thinking like yours is half the problem--no, most of the problem. The idea that women don't play games, might never play games, and if they do, there's only a few of them. It's uninformed and a very tired way to view the industry. If you don't think change will happen and you don't acknowledge it when it does, it will be very slow in coming.

I play Left 4 Dead and i have a few female gamer friends in my Steam FL who have mad skills who look for me because they know they can get a game, female gamers seem to understand how to work as a team, (proven fact women will work together more often then men will even if the circumstances are the same) and shoot for the most part better than some of the males i have shot with. I think it is because female gamers are using both hands to play the game . It would be hilarious were it not so sad how many times i have been in a game and some knuckle head will log in and upon finding out that one or two of the players in the game are women. Seriously it makes me embarrased to have a penis when these idiots log on.

The hey chickie chickie smoochy smoochy nonsense starts. I really want an answer here do these chuckle heads honestly believe that female gamer X will be so impressed with thier gaming prowess that she will drop her life, fly out to where you are so she can throw herself at your feet and bear your children of exceptional gaming prowess? ****ing morons. I do not tolerate it, you would figure the female gamer would be quick to vote kick, good luck beating me to the vote kick. You are embarrasing yourself but most importantly you are embarrasing me as a male, she is a warrior and deserves respect as a warrior anything less and you are going away.

As a rule would rather shoot with female players as they seem to be willing to work together with less hassle, less likely to go all John Wayne/Rambo on you, have a better sense of humor concerning player mistakes and seem to be able to control thier egos.  In some games you can tell you have a good group when the other players are all trying to heal the incapped player. Granted i suppose that when i was a pup and my testies were newly dropped i was probably just as annoying, but i had an older and younger sister, which i think had a tempering effect. Anyway to all you doosh bags who are sadly mistaken that you are the most impressive individual the female gamers has ever had the pleasure of watching in action that you , yes you, are a legend only in your own mind. Behave yourselves.

Asai

[upsettingshorts]

asaiasai wrote...
(proven fact women will work together more often then men will even if the circumstances are the same)

If it's a proven fact, you should have no problem providing us with a citation.  In my own personal, limited, and highly anecdotal experience no such pattern exists one way or the other.  Certainly not to the extent that I'd label it a consistent trend with confidence.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 20 décembre 2010 - 05:53 .

[Wishpig]

Whoa someone above has had some bad experiences (not you upsettingshorts I was gonna ask the same thing, but honestly, in my own experiance I can't disagree).

All I know is back when I played WoW, my friends girlfriend always dominated the s*** outta me in duels and I had a paladin win button!

And honestly, I gotta agree with the women tend to work better in groups, NEVER had a problem with a female player in WoW. Always willing to work with the team and not freak out when someone messes up.

That said, never been impressed by a girl player in an FPS, and I've played with many in TF2.

Although yeah. Should provide some citation if your gonna make such a MY GENDERS BETTER THEN YOURS AT X comment.

Modifié par Wishpig, 20 décembre 2010 - 05:56 .