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[SDNcN]

People who believe that Bioware is one of the few developers who produce anything like old school crpgs and become distraught that this is becoming less and less true with every new game.

You really want to see negative?

Go check out No Mutants Allowed forums, my god it is like a community fused solely together out of pure nostagia and regection of new ideas.

"Deus Ex 3 is has regenerating health? This filth should be called Deus in name only"

Some one posts a developer's interview explaining why they chose to implement the feature.

"Yeah, okay that makes sense I guess. But it wasn't in the first game."

lulz.

Modifié par SDNcN, 09 juillet 2010 - 01:44 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

It's like they lure RPG fans in with ME which at least had some semblance of RPGness...and then completely strip all those elements out by the second game. I think DA is headed in that direction too.

Strip what out of the game? Mako Filler? Useless skills such as Stasis? Dampening was good but not necessary.



About the only thing missing was armor customization for your squadmates.



And "BUT TEH INVENTORY"



It was there it was just in the loadout screen. Or you liked being bombarded with useless weapons every time you shot something in the chest

[Narrsan]

Abriael_CG wrote...

andyr1986 wrote...
"Because we are fickle fans and we believe bioware owes us something."

You actually nailed it on the head. Buoware DOES owe  me and many others a working game (and expansion). Yanno, we kinda paid for it.
:innocent:


This, of course, without even needing to go into deontological arguments on how much a company owes to it's customers. That's beyond the point.

Did they force you to buy it and not get your money back after you discovered the bugs? was there blunt objects or sexual favours involved?

[Abriael_CG]

Narrsan wrote...
Did they force you to buy it and not get your money back after you discovered the bugs? was there blunt objects or sexual favours involved?

There isn't much of a return policy with digital download, mate. I understand the need of making excuses for a poorly optimized, poorly tested product that you happen to love, but advocating that a software house shouldn't be held responsible for selling a product that's proved faulty on many computers that are way above the recommended specs is quite farfetched.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 09 juillet 2010 - 01:50 .

[Ecael]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

It's like they lure RPG fans in with ME which at least had some semblance of RPGness...and then completely strip all those elements out by the second game. I think DA is headed in that direction too.

Strip what out of the game? Mako Filler? Useless skills such as Stasis? Dampening was good but not necessary.

About the only thing missing was armor customization for your squadmates.

And "BUT TEH INVENTORY"

It was there it was just in the loadout screen. Or you liked being bombarded with useless weapons every time you shot something in the chest

"BUT TEH INVENTORY" is hilariously ironic.

"Stop making this into a shooter, BioWare! Oh, and bring back an inventory system so we can have "more" guns to shoot with in this RPG!"

People cry when they don't get what they want, and then cry when they get what they want.

[Abriael_CG]

Ecael wrote...
"BUT TEH INVENTORY" is hilariously ironic.

"Stop making this into a shooter, BioWare! Oh, and bring back an inventory system so we can have "more" guns to shoot with in this RPG!"

People cry when they don't get what they want, and then cry when they get what they want.

Customization and choice are an important part of what you call "ROLE playing", yanno

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 09 juillet 2010 - 01:52 .

[SDNcN]

Narrsan wrote...

Did they force you to buy it and not get your money back after you discovered the bugs? was there blunt objects or sexual favours involved?

if someone buys a game that is unplayable due to bugs then it is the developers responsibility to fix these bugs within a resonable period of time. Bioware did not and you don't understand why people would be upset that they are moving on to another project? Wow.

Modifié par SDNcN, 09 juillet 2010 - 01:52 .

[Vincentdante]

Narrsan wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

andyr1986 wrote...
"Because we are fickle fans and we believe bioware owes us something."

You actually nailed it on the head. Buoware DOES owe  me and many others a working game (and expansion). Yanno, we kinda paid for it.
:innocent:


This, of course, without even needing to go into deontological arguments on how much a company owes to it's customers. That's beyond the point.

Did they force you to buy it and not get your money back after you discovered the bugs? was there blunt objects or sexual favours involved?

Thats... irrelevent and pretty stupid. No he wasn't forced to buy it but he chose to and as such is in his legal right to get refunded or given a working replacement should the product be faulty.

Still waiting on patch 1.04 bioware TBH I haven't suffered many problems myself so I can wait personally.

Modifié par Vincentdante, 09 juillet 2010 - 01:57 .

[Narrsan]

@Abriael: Woah, reading way too much into what I said. When did I make a single excuse?
@SDNcN : I don't understand? You're right! I don't understand why people **** non stop about a game they don't know how long has been in development and while only 2 pieces of art and barely a paragraph of info has been released. I understand being doubtful of future projects but all this speculation is escalating to ridiculous ****ing measures. Wow.

Modifié par Narrsan, 09 juillet 2010 - 02:06 .

[Ecael]

Abriael_CG wrote...

Ecael wrote...
"BUT TEH INVENTORY" is hilariously ironic.

"Stop making this into a shooter, BioWare! Oh, and bring back an inventory system so we can have "more" guns to shoot with in this RPG!"

People cry when they don't get what they want, and then cry when they get what they want.

Customization and choice are an important part of what you call "ROLE playing", yanno

Customization as in being able to change what your character looks like? That's been covered.

Choice as in being able to select how your character will react to a situation? Also covered.

[Abriael_CG]

Narrsan wrote...

Woah, reading way too much into what I said. When did I make a single excuse? and I don't understand? You're right! I don't understand why people **** non stop about a game they don't know how long has been in development and while only 2 pieces of art and barely a paragraph of info has been released. I understand being doubtful of future projects but all this speculation is escalating to ridiculous ****ing measures. Wow.

If the game will be released in 6 months as it seems so far, you can pretty much bet that it's been using up major development resources at Bioware for several months already.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 09 juillet 2010 - 02:02 .

[Vincentdante]

Narrsan wrote...

Woah, reading way too much into what I said. When did I make a single excuse? and I don't understand? You're right! I don't understand why people **** non stop about a game they don't know how long has been in development and while only 2 pieces of art and barely a paragraph of info has been released. I understand being doubtful of future projects but all this speculation is escalating to ridiculous ****ing measures. Wow.

Huh? when did anyone link the outburst around DA2 to your comment of  "being forced to buy the previous game" to someone having a hard time getting it to work. I'd like to know how you linked the two.

[Abriael_CG]

Ecael wrote...
Customization as in being able to change what your character looks like? That's been covered.

Too bad you won't be able to chose your race. Which in a fantasy RPG set in a world in which many races coexist is a serious flaw. This without mentioning the abysmal lack of visual customization for companions in ME2, that I'm suspecting will translate into DA2, especially considering a few posts by David Gaider a few months ago.

Choice as in being able to select how your character will react to a situation? Also covered.

Choice as in being able to select widely varied and customized loadouts and weapon choices to tackle different situations. Not covered.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 09 juillet 2010 - 02:04 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Like what?



At the end of ME 2 you could end up with a short range burst fire SMG, or a medium range full auto



You have a powerful slow shooting sniper, or a fast shooting auto sniper that isn't as powerful



You have a highly innaccurate fully auto AR, a very accurate burst fire AR, a fully auto AR thats good against shields



Shotguns you have a powerful short range gun, and a medium range one



and Prestige guns for Shotgun/AR/Sniper

[TheMufflon]

Abriael_CG wrote...

Choice as in being able to select widely varied and customized loadouts and weapon choices to tackle different situations. Not covered.

That's not a particulary interesting choice to make, that's just window dressing.

[Xannisel]

*sigh* Guys, you are forgetting one important fact here. Bioware is owned by EA, and EA is only a step up from Activision when it comes to milking the cash cow. As much as I loved all of the old RPGs, I also realize that gaming needs to change with the times, and that EVERYTHING is becoming streamlined, so change is coming whether you love it or hate it. So, straighten up and approach any new games in a series as a whole different experience and not consider the previous ones, and once you've beaten it, THEN compare it.

[KennethAFTopp]

Bioware must've realized the backlash, so at least they're up front about Hawke.

[Ecael]

Vincentdante wrote...

Narrsan wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

andyr1986 wrote...
"Because we are fickle fans and we believe bioware owes us something."

You actually nailed it on the head. Buoware DOES owe  me and many others a working game (and expansion). Yanno, we kinda paid for it.
:innocent:


This, of course, without even needing to go into deontological arguments on how much a company owes to it's customers. That's beyond the point.

Did they force you to buy it and not get your money back after you discovered the bugs? was there blunt objects or sexual favours involved?

Thats... irrelevent and pretty stupid. No he wasn't forced to buy it but he chose to and as such is in his legal right to get refunded or given a working replacement should the product be faulty.

Still waiting on patch 1.04 bioware TBH I haven't suffered many problems myself so I can wait personally.

Except the products are playable to completion, and I'm sure people have "consumed" it several times already.

Like asking for a refund on a box of cookies even though you ate all three boxes you bought.

[Abriael_CG]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Like what?
At the end of ME 2 you could end up with a short range burst fire SMG, or a medium range full auto You have a powerful slow shooting sniper, or a fast shooting auto sniper that isn't as powerful You have a highly innaccurate fully auto AR, a very accurate burst fire AR, a fully auto AR thats good against shields Shotguns you have a powerful short range gun, and a medium range one and Prestige guns for Shotgun/AR/Sniper

It's interesting as you basically described a the "by the book" range of choices of an FPS, an RPG tends to offer many, many more.

TheMufflon wrote...
That's not a particulary interesting choice to make, that's just window dressing.

Which,
incidentally, is one of the staples of the RPG genre, something that
many happen to enjoy despite you finding it "Not particularly
interesting".

It's interesting that while Bioware seems to be intent in "streamlining" (read: dumbing down) their RPGs, other developers (CD Projekt for instance) seem to be working  on exploring the roots of RPGs by massively increasing the equipment choices in their upcoming games.

Ecael wrote...
Except the products are playable to completion,
and I'm sure people have "consumed" it several times already.
Like
asking for a refund on a box of cookies even though you ate all three
boxes you bought.

You seem to be forgetting that for many (me included), Dragon age and/or Awakenings still are NOT playable to completion, due to costant crashes to desktop that occur at most every five minutes. This, of course, wihout mentioning the several tens of glitches, quest bugs and results of sloppy testing that plague the game.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 09 juillet 2010 - 02:12 .

[Rubbish Hero]

I want to play a CRPG, a quality one, built for the pc.

I don't want to play a console game and don't want to play Mass Effect.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Abriael_CG wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Like what?
At the end of ME 2 you could end up with a short range burst fire SMG, or a medium range full auto
You have a powerful slow shooting sniper, or a fast shooting auto sniper that isn't as powerful
You have a highly innaccurate fully auto AR, a very accurate burst fire AR, a fully auto AR thats good against shields
Shotguns you have a powerful short range gun, and a medium range one
and Prestige guns for Shotgun/AR/Sniper

It's interesting as you basically described a the "by the book" range of choices of an FPS, an RPG tends to offer many, many more.

TheMufflon wrote...
That's not a particulary interesting
choice to make, that's just window dressing.

Which,
incidentally, is one of the staples of the RPG genre, something that
many happen to enjoy despite you finding it "Not particularly
interesting".

It's interesting that while Bioware seems to be intent in "streamlining" (read: dumbing down) their RPGs, other developers (CD Projekt for instance) seem to be working  on exploring the roots of RPGs by massively increasing the equipment choices in their upcoming games.

By the book?  As if a ton of weapons that all feel identicala nd the only indication of their differences is stats in the menu screen is any better?

Why would I want duplicates of the same items just with a different name?

This would be a joke in the Elder Scrolls games

[Jestina]

Xannisel wrote...
*sigh* Guys, you are forgetting one important fact here. Bioware is owned by EA, and EA is only a step up from Activision when it comes to milking the cash cow.

I'm already aware of EA's rep unfortunately. UGG. They take good games and just squeeze as much money out of them as possible, trashing it in the process.

Like the Sims. They rarely bother with fixing bugs in the game...but they can sure churn out a ton of DLCand  spend a huge amount of time trying to find ways to thwart the modding community.

Modifié par Jestina, 09 juillet 2010 - 02:14 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Maxis's problems started with poor decisions not EA

[Abriael_CG]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
By the book?  As if a ton of weapons that all feel identicala nd the only indication of their differences is stats in the menu screen is any better?
Why would I want duplicates of the same items just with a different name?
This would be a joke in the Elder Scrolls games

Too bad that the weapons/armors  in mass effect definitely weren't "dupicates of the same weapons just with different names", and the same could be said about the weapons/armors in mant RPGs out there. Differentiated itemization (both visually and with stats) is a staple of RPGs. Many people enjoy it and quite evidently aren't happy to see it dumbed down.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 09 juillet 2010 - 02:18 .

[AntiChri5]

The weapons in ME 1 were an absolute joke, and the customisation was more of a puzzle than a mechanic.