Aller au contenu

Photo

What is it about ME2 story that people hate so much?


  • Ce sujet est fermé Ce sujet est fermé
109 réponses à ce sujet

#51
kraidy1117

kraidy1117
  • Members
  • 14 910 messages

Somebody1003 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Somebody1003 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

I WILL TEAR YOU APART SOMEBODY 1003!!! Seriously i think harby is at least funnier than sovereing but he aint one of those villians that you really want to kill like The Spaniard in AC2


TIM is a villian people will enjoy killing. That's a villian and Saren should have been like Loghain. With Loghain you felt sorry for him and understood why he did what he did and he was just well-done.

I actually like TIM in a way.



Thats what makes TIM such a good villian. You want to hate him, yet if you look closey his ideas while are extream are right. It what makes him so compeling and probaly one of the best characters Bioware has ever done. PLus his theme also added the epicness to it.

Yeah, I see him as like a necessary evil in a way.


Bingo *gives you a Collector doll*

#52
Spectre 117

Spectre 117
  • Members
  • 922 messages

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

I WILL TEAR YOU APART SOMEBODY 1003!!! Seriously i think harby is at least funnier than sovereing but he aint one of those villians that you really want to kill like The Spaniard in AC2


TIM is a villian people will enjoy killing. That's a villian and Saren should have been like Loghain. With Loghain you felt sorry for him and understood why he did what he did and he was just well-done.

Yes TIM reminds me of the spaniard but worse cause i had to work with him and i have to thank him for being alive :l


LOL I think TIMs death will be a very sad but happy moment in gaming (that makes no sence :pinched:)

Hahahaha i wil be very VERY Satisfactory but also ill feel bad about it since im alive thanks to him,and yes i agreed with the poster above kraidy the worst thing about the plot was killing shep in the first five minutes DX

#53
Guest_Somebody1003_*

Guest_Somebody1003_*
  • Guests

worm_burner wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

camcon2100 wrote...

Ya i wish it had a main baddy like saren!! ME3 i have faith in. They did the best they could with the middle of a trilogy. They made the story interesting while a plot less interesting and i hope they put the best of both in ME3


Saren was not a good villian :?


Better than collectors/Harbinger, I mean mercs in ME2.

The story in ME1 just seemed to flow much better than in ME2.  ME2's main story felt choppy and broken up.  All Bioware needs to do is combine the best of both games and ME3 will be perfect.

This.

If they take what made both games great, then ME3 will be awesome. 

#54
kraidy1117

kraidy1117
  • Members
  • 14 910 messages

worm_burner wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

camcon2100 wrote...

Ya i wish it had a main baddy like saren!! ME3 i have faith in. They did the best they could with the middle of a trilogy. They made the story interesting while a plot less interesting and i hope they put the best of both in ME3


Saren was not a good villian :?


Better than collectors/Harbinger, I mean mercs in ME2.

The story in ME1 just seemed to flow much better than in ME2.  ME2's main story felt choppy and broken up.  All Bioware needs to do is combine the best of both games and ME3 will be perfect.


Why do people always try to compare Harby? You can not compare a villian that is not even finshed yet, and yes because ME2 was about the characters. It was a character driven story. Why do you think the characters, there backstory and there personal missions where well-done?

#55
kraidy1117

kraidy1117
  • Members
  • 14 910 messages

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

I WILL TEAR YOU APART SOMEBODY 1003!!! Seriously i think harby is at least funnier than sovereing but he aint one of those villians that you really want to kill like The Spaniard in AC2


TIM is a villian people will enjoy killing. That's a villian and Saren should have been like Loghain. With Loghain you felt sorry for him and understood why he did what he did and he was just well-done.

Yes TIM reminds me of the spaniard but worse cause i had to work with him and i have to thank him for being alive :l


LOL I think TIMs death will be a very sad but happy moment in gaming (that makes no sence :pinched:)

Hahahaha i wil be very VERY Satisfactory but also ill feel bad about it since im alive thanks to him,and yes i agreed with the poster above kraidy the worst thing about the plot was killing shep in the first five minutes DX


I just wished Bioware did not tell us that before the game came out. That would have been a nice surprise.

#56
Spectre 117

Spectre 117
  • Members
  • 922 messages

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

I WILL TEAR YOU APART SOMEBODY 1003!!! Seriously i think harby is at least funnier than sovereing but he aint one of those villians that you really want to kill like The Spaniard in AC2


TIM is a villian people will enjoy killing. That's a villian and Saren should have been like Loghain. With Loghain you felt sorry for him and understood why he did what he did and he was just well-done.

Yes TIM reminds me of the spaniard but worse cause i had to work with him and i have to thank him for being alive :l


LOL I think TIMs death will be a very sad but happy moment in gaming (that makes no sence :pinched:)

Hahahaha i wil be very VERY Satisfactory but also ill feel bad about it since im alive thanks to him,and yes i agreed with the poster above kraidy the worst thing about the plot was killing shep in the first five minutes DX


I just wished Bioware did not tell us that before the game came out. That would have been a nice surprise.

Actually the worst part is that i got that completely spoiled by josytiq they made a preview of the first 90 minutes of the game and didnt put th spoiler warning :(

#57
kraidy1117

kraidy1117
  • Members
  • 14 910 messages

Somebody1003 wrote...

worm_burner wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

camcon2100 wrote...

Ya i wish it had a main baddy like saren!! ME3 i have faith in. They did the best they could with the middle of a trilogy. They made the story interesting while a plot less interesting and i hope they put the best of both in ME3


Saren was not a good villian :?


Better than collectors/Harbinger, I mean mercs in ME2.

The story in ME1 just seemed to flow much better than in ME2.  ME2's main story felt choppy and broken up.  All Bioware needs to do is combine the best of both games and ME3 will be perfect.

This.

If they take what made both games great, then ME3 will be awesome. 


Yup. Both games are fantastic, which ever one someone likes better is personal prefernce but both where amazing.

#58
Inquisitor Recon

Inquisitor Recon
  • Members
  • 11 810 messages
One of the things I think they did really well was TIM. You're calling him a villain, but I don't know if he should even be considered that. He has style and the will+resources to get things done. But Bioware always leaves you wondering "What else does he want to achieve?"

#59
kraidy1117

kraidy1117
  • Members
  • 14 910 messages

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

I WILL TEAR YOU APART SOMEBODY 1003!!! Seriously i think harby is at least funnier than sovereing but he aint one of those villians that you really want to kill like The Spaniard in AC2


TIM is a villian people will enjoy killing. That's a villian and Saren should have been like Loghain. With Loghain you felt sorry for him and understood why he did what he did and he was just well-done.

Yes TIM reminds me of the spaniard but worse cause i had to work with him and i have to thank him for being alive :l


LOL I think TIMs death will be a very sad but happy moment in gaming (that makes no sence :pinched:)

Hahahaha i wil be very VERY Satisfactory but also ill feel bad about it since im alive thanks to him,and yes i agreed with the poster above kraidy the worst thing about the plot was killing shep in the first five minutes DX


I just wished Bioware did not tell us that before the game came out. That would have been a nice surprise.

Actually the worst part is that i got that completely spoiled by josytiq they made a preview of the first 90 minutes of the game and didnt put th spoiler warning :(


It was IGN for me :( it should have been a secret. Like ya when Shepard died, even tho I knew it still hit me hard, it hurt to see Shepard be helpless and die.I found ME2 so much more emotinal enganing because of stuff like that or coming back to see the council and everyone, including Anderson giving you the cold shoulder, It hurt.

#60
Spectre 117

Spectre 117
  • Members
  • 922 messages

ReconTeam wrote...

One of the things I think they did really well was TIM. You're calling him a villain, but I don't know if he should even be considered that. He has style and the will+resources to get things done. But Bioware always leaves you wondering "What else does he want to achieve?"

A reaper,not just a reaper a human reaper :l

#61
Guest_Somebody1003_*

Guest_Somebody1003_*
  • Guests

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

Actually the worst part is that i got that completely spoiled by josytiq they made a preview of the first 90 minutes of the game and didnt put th spoiler warning :(


It was IGN for me :( it should have been a secret. Like ya when Shepard died, even tho I knew it still hit me hard, it hurt to see Shepard be helpless and die.I found ME2 so much more emotinal enganing because of stuff like that or coming back to see the council and everyone, including Anderson giving you the cold shoulder, It hurt.

I also wish that I didnt find out who Archangel was before ME2 came out.:unsure:

Modifié par Somebody1003, 09 juillet 2010 - 04:31 .


#62
kraidy1117

kraidy1117
  • Members
  • 14 910 messages

ReconTeam wrote...

One of the things I think they did really well was TIM. You're calling him a villain, but I don't know if he should even be considered that. He has style and the will+resources to get things done. But Bioware always leaves you wondering "What else does he want to achieve?"


TIM is the man who is pulling the strings, he knows more then he lets on, he always has a plan and you do not want to cross him. Plus it's his mystory(sp) that helps too. Who is this ugy, why is he like this, why does he have those eyes ect.

#63
kraidy1117

kraidy1117
  • Members
  • 14 910 messages

Somebody1003 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

Actually the worst part is that i got that completely spoiled by josytiq they made a preview of the first 90 minutes of the game and didnt put th spoiler warning :(


It was IGN for me :( it should have been a secret. Like ya when Shepard died, even tho I knew it still hit me hard, it hurt to see Shepard be helpless and die.I found ME2 so much more emotinal enganing because of stuff like that or coming back to see the council and everyone, including Anderson giving you the cold shoulder, It hurt.

I also wish that I didnt find out who Archangel was before ME2 came out.:unsure:


Same. I hated that was leaked. I hope with ME3, Bioware does not leak too much before launch like with ME2. All the surprises where leaked before the game came out :(

#64
Spectre 117

Spectre 117
  • Members
  • 922 messages

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

I WILL TEAR YOU APART SOMEBODY 1003!!! Seriously i think harby is at least funnier than sovereing but he aint one of those villians that you really want to kill like The Spaniard in AC2


TIM is a villian people will enjoy killing. That's a villian and Saren should have been like Loghain. With Loghain you felt sorry for him and understood why he did what he did and he was just well-done.

Yes TIM reminds me of the spaniard but worse cause i had to work with him and i have to thank him for being alive :l


LOL I think TIMs death will be a very sad but happy moment in gaming (that makes no sence :pinched:)

Hahahaha i wil be very VERY Satisfactory but also ill feel bad about it since im alive thanks to him,and yes i agreed with the poster above kraidy the worst thing about the plot was killing shep in the first five minutes DX


I just wished Bioware did not tell us that before the game came out. That would have been a nice surprise.

Actually the worst part is that i got that completely spoiled by josytiq they made a preview of the first 90 minutes of the game and didnt put th spoiler warning :(


It was IGN for me :( it should have been a secret. Like ya when Shepard died, even tho I knew it still hit me hard, it hurt to see Shepard be helpless and die.I found ME2 so much more emotinal enganing because of stuff like that or coming back to see the council and everyone, including Anderson giving you the cold shoulder, It hurt.

Yes in terms on emotional engagement i found ME2 to be one of the best i just wish everyone did like gameinformer who did a preview of the game without spoiling the story :l

#65
kraidy1117

kraidy1117
  • Members
  • 14 910 messages

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

I WILL TEAR YOU APART SOMEBODY 1003!!! Seriously i think harby is at least funnier than sovereing but he aint one of those villians that you really want to kill like The Spaniard in AC2


TIM is a villian people will enjoy killing. That's a villian and Saren should have been like Loghain. With Loghain you felt sorry for him and understood why he did what he did and he was just well-done.

Yes TIM reminds me of the spaniard but worse cause i had to work with him and i have to thank him for being alive :l


LOL I think TIMs death will be a very sad but happy moment in gaming (that makes no sence :pinched:)

Hahahaha i wil be very VERY Satisfactory but also ill feel bad about it since im alive thanks to him,and yes i agreed with the poster above kraidy the worst thing about the plot was killing shep in the first five minutes DX


I just wished Bioware did not tell us that before the game came out. That would have been a nice surprise.

Actually the worst part is that i got that completely spoiled by josytiq they made a preview of the first 90 minutes of the game and didnt put th spoiler warning :(


It was IGN for me :( it should have been a secret. Like ya when Shepard died, even tho I knew it still hit me hard, it hurt to see Shepard be helpless and die.I found ME2 so much more emotinal enganing because of stuff like that or coming back to see the council and everyone, including Anderson giving you the cold shoulder, It hurt.

Yes in terms on emotional engagement i found ME2 to be one of the best i just wish everyone did like gameinformer who did a preview of the game without spoiling the story :l


Ya. I think what ME did better was not alot was leaked. Going into ME there was surprises and such. With ME2, too much was leaked.

#66
Shadowomega23

Shadowomega23
  • Members
  • 920 messages
I dunno I kind of like Harbinger's lines, one was perfect for setting someone up for an embassing moment with a softdrink. Dude with Dual Shock controller in lap drinking a sprite while the game is still going. Harbringer "I know you feel this!" Followed by the controller suddenly vibrating in said lap, Sprite bottle flies to the floor as the victim jumps out of the chair.

Almost as good as being named Gay, while exploring vault 108 in Fallout 3 with all the crazy Gary clones.

Modifié par Shadowomega23, 09 juillet 2010 - 04:36 .


#67
kraidy1117

kraidy1117
  • Members
  • 14 910 messages
Now Harby did have a fantastic speach when you are leaving the base, that I will give it.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 09 juillet 2010 - 04:38 .


#68
Spectre 117

Spectre 117
  • Members
  • 922 messages
Haribinger is probably ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL over Bioware's development team :D

#69
kraidy1117

kraidy1117
  • Members
  • 14 910 messages

Spectre 117 wrote...

Haribinger is probably ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL over Bioware's development team :D


LOL but you gotta admit, his line when you escape the base was epic. Don't want to say the qoute sinces this is the non spoiler sec.

#70
Spectre 117

Spectre 117
  • Members
  • 922 messages

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

Haribinger is probably ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL over Bioware's development team :D


LOL but you gotta admit, his line when you escape the base was epic. Don't want to say the qoute sinces this is the non spoiler sec.

He will find another way to make ME3 epic :D

#71
kraidy1117

kraidy1117
  • Members
  • 14 910 messages

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

Haribinger is probably ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL over Bioware's development team :D


LOL but you gotta admit, his line when you escape the base was epic. Don't want to say the qoute sinces this is the non spoiler sec.

He will find another way to make ME3 epic :D


More sex jokes?:wizard:

#72
Spectre 117

Spectre 117
  • Members
  • 922 messages

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

Haribinger is probably ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL over Bioware's development team :D


LOL but you gotta admit, his line when you escape the base was epic. Don't want to say the qoute sinces this is the non spoiler sec.

He will find another way to make ME3 epic :D


More sex jokes?:wizard:




How about the one  of Garrus "reach' and the female turian's "flexibility";)?

#73
kraidy1117

kraidy1117
  • Members
  • 14 910 messages

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

Haribinger is probably ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL over Bioware's development team :D


LOL but you gotta admit, his line when you escape the base was epic. Don't want to say the qoute sinces this is the non spoiler sec.

He will find another way to make ME3 epic :D


More sex jokes?:wizard:




How about the one  of Garrus "reach' and the female turian's "flexibility";)?


"Turian, you are too primitive."

#74
Spectre 117

Spectre 117
  • Members
  • 922 messages

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

Haribinger is probably ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL over Bioware's development team :D


LOL but you gotta admit, his line when you escape the base was epic. Don't want to say the qoute sinces this is the non spoiler sec.

He will find another way to make ME3 epic :D


More sex jokes?:wizard:




How about the one  of Garrus "reach' and the female turian's "flexibility";)?


"Turian, you are too primitive."

It was a hard batlle i had reach and she had flexibility, i know she felt it :whistle:

#75
Iakus

Iakus
  • Members
  • 30 288 messages

Spectre 117 wrote...

 Okay before you guys start the flame war (Which will be started eventually sadly -_-) for those who disliked ME2's story, what did you disliked about it?I mean i know it doesnt have a huge mystery like the first one but still i think its pretty well done especially due to the fact that those who enjoy the story can get deep in it with conflicts like the geth quarian war,the genophage and so on, for people like me who enjoy the story and universe i found it very enriching and deeper than the first one,yet those who just want tackle the "main story" can do that and just focus on killing collectors and stuff like that and whose to say that ME2 doesnt have its surprises i was quite shocked when i realized who where the collectors in the first place,so its true its not a perfect story but i think its as deep as the first one its just that getting deeper has to be on your own and not by the developers invisible hands(please post your opinions with respect as i respect all your opinions and would like that my opinion is respected as well (: )


There are three main reasons for me:

1) Sequel.  This is supposed to be the second part of a trilogy.  "Shepard's story"  You even get to import your saves from ME 1 to continue this story.  Remember how ME 1 ended?


"Shepard's right. Humanity is ready to do its part. United with the rest of the Council, we have the strength to overcome any challenge! When the reapers come, we must stand side-by-side! We must fight against them as one, and together, we will drive them back into dark space!"


What happens?  Shepard goes off to find ways to defeat the Reapers?  Explores the outer limits of the Mass Relay network?  Look for ancient weapons or preProthean records of previous harvestings?  Not so much.

Pretty much everything you did was rendered pointless.  Shepard dies (but gets better).  His accomplishments are swept under the rug.  Former squadmates seems to have had brain transplants ("Traitor!!" and "I can flay you alive WITH MY MIND!").  The Council sems to have completely forgotten what you did exactly.  Most of the choices you made, big or small, are reduced to emails on your personal terminal.ME 2 was about as much a sequel to ME 1 as the new Battlestar Galactica series is a sequel to the old one.

2) Collectors.

The Collectors were actually a pretty col villain group.  Especially given their secret.  They could have made for a really compelling tragic villain.  Unfortunately they seem to appear just long enough to demonstrate that there is in fact a storyline in here somewhere.   Three missions, that's it.  If I was Shepard, I'd be wanting to learn everything I could about them.  What is their connection to the Reapers?  What is their interest in humans?  How advanced is their tech?  What do the other races in the Terminus Systems know about them?  Instead we get one big info dump from EDI and that's it.  Even the "big reveal" does nothing for the story.  The Collectors are just targets, just like any other merc group we fight.  The Collectors are, imo, a huge opportunity wasted.

3) the Squad.

The squad is, apparantly, the whole thrust of te story "recruit a squad and earn their loyalty"  Okay.  Not my first choice for a story, I'll admit, but workable.  The characters are, in general, interesting (though seem to more resemble a superhero team than a squad of elite soldiers).  Except, their not a team.  A team works together, interacts with each other.  Some get along and others don't.  Part of earning their loyalty is learning to mesh these unique characters into a cohesive whole.  We don't see that, save for exactly two personality clashes..  We do see their personalities in one-on-one talks with Shepard and their loyalty missions.  During these missions the third member of the squad is oddly silent, despite having he potential to make some compelling observations. So really it's still just Shepard and squadmate one-on-one time. 

In short, there is no 'squad", no "team" just a bunch of individuals who only answer to Shepard.  If this was supposed to be the main point, it should have been done much, much better.

These are my reasons.  Agree or disagree as you will.