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[Gerudan]

Why should they waste money?


I mean most of you are form the US right? You should know how capitalism works. 

Why am I nearly the only one around here, that just has to laugh on a lot of suggestions in this forum, because they are just not feasible moneywise? 

Modifié par Gerudan, 18 septembre 2010 - 05:11 .

[foodstuffs]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...
I thought the objective of advertisement was to entice new customers into buying a product, not to obnoxiously declare what music Rick in marketing has on his iPod that "you just gotta hear, man."

Amen.  Even though I'm a metal fan, since I hate it when people shove in terrible pop, punk or indie music into games I say no way, just keep it in theme.

GodWood wrote...
I'm a metal fan (particularly sludge, doom, black and crust)
However I'd really rather DA2/DA2's marketing to just stick with traditional fantasy music.
Just because you like a band/song/genre doesn't mean you need to hear it everywhere.

I think this all sums up my thoughts pretty well, specifically leaving music in-theme. 

I wonder how many people bought something because it was advertised with their favorite song, found the product has nothing to do with their favorite song (or vice versa), then told others not to buy that product.  So I wonder to what degree marketing has a backwards effect.

Modifié par foodstuffs, 18 septembre 2010 - 05:12 .

[wowpwnslol]

Jynthor wrote...



You must have clicked other links than I have.

Nope, I clicked and listened to both of them. It's total trash.

[aaniadyen]

Gerudan wrote...

Why should they waste money?


I mean most of you are form the US right? You should know how capitalism works. 

Why am I nearly the only one around here, that just has to laugh on a lot of suggestions in this forum, because they are just not feasible moneywise? 

I'm sure there are plenty of people laughing that the common DA fan has no conception of market research.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

aaniadyen wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

Why should they waste money?


I mean most of you are form the US right? You should know how capitalism works. 

Why am I nearly the only one around here, that just has to laugh on a lot of suggestions in this forum, because they are just not feasible moneywise? 

I'm sure there are plenty of people laughing that the common DA fan has no conception of market research.

I'm pretty sure any common fan of anything has no conception of market research.

[aaniadyen]

Jynthor wrote...

wowpwnslol wrote...

Jynthor wrote...



You must have clicked other links than I have.

Nope, I clicked and listened to both of them. It's total trash.

Then I recommend you go see the doctor because there is something very wrong with your ears, sir.

Yes, because it's obvious that people who have different tastes have something clearly wrong with them physically.

<_<

[Lomopingseph]

Maybe Guile's theme. That goes with everything.

[foodstuffs]

aaniadyen wrote...

Yes, because it's obvious that people who have different tastes have something clearly wrong with them physically.

<_<

duh

[Mister Mida]

I have the perfect solution: Bioware should use hardcore/trance music for the marketing of DA2.

NOTE: this suggestion is brought to you by a rock/metal fan.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 18 septembre 2010 - 05:32 .

[wowpwnslol]

Jynthor wrote...



Then I recommend you go see the doctor because there is something very wrong with your ears, sir.

My ears are fine, I just don't find incoherent screaming all that amazing to listen to. You'll understand when you're not a teenager anymore.

[0x30A88]

svendigo wrote...

Metal? Rather stick my ears next to a jet engine, no thanks.

Really? When you are that close to a jet engine, the sound is not what I would have worried about though.

As for you comparing metal to a jet engine sound. It is just as annoying as say "I would rather have someone beat my head with a baseball bat 120 times a minute instead of listening to today's pop."

You can dislike stuff, but this...this is just an insult to metal fans. I don't blame you, many metalheads are too proud of their tastes and listens to the most brutal stuff they can find, thus making people beleive metal is just a guitarist playing some very dark stuff to someone screaming like a wild beast. For metal is not a genre by itself, but a cathegory which branches off to a lot of subgenres. As with most genres, two subgenres can have a day/night-ish difference.

All of the music in Dragon Age is the traditional fantasy music and there were no electric guitars back in the medieval ages, so to conclude, metal, like hiphop or techno IS unfitting to an RPG.

Modifié par Gisle Aune, 18 septembre 2010 - 05:37 .

[Gerudan]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

I'm pretty sure any common fan of anything has no conception of market research.

It's not just that. If they would use a song instead of a track from the soundtrack, they already have, they have to pay the band for it. And for what would they use the song? I doubt that we will see a lot more of these CGI trailers, so there will probably be more trailers with actual game footage and for them they shall get a metal song? Why? 

Hell, I'm a metal head myself and I know a lot of great songs I can imagine being in a DA2-trailer but that doesn't mean I would want that, because it woudln't make sense neither marketingwise nor moneywise. . 

Modifié par Gerudan, 18 septembre 2010 - 05:36 .

[zahra]

I think Bioware will choose to go the commercial friendly route and go for something like "This Is War" which seems edgy [emphasis on the word "seems" because Jared Leto is about as edgy as Papa Smurf] but not too polarizing.



Good music isn't defined by genre. I like Arvo Part and Fantomas, at the same time. Despite them being on different ends of the spectrum, my brain isn't bleeding. Genre bashing or calling one out as superior to the another is juvenile.



Fun fact: People will have different tastes and ideals in regards to music. The world is wild like that. Accept it and embrace it.

[eucatastrophe]

Off topic but this is my first game that has a console playerbase as well as a PC one. 
So I'm exposed to another side to the gamerbase as a whole, and I'll say that I find the marketing, um, really strange.

Modifié par eucatastrophe, 18 septembre 2010 - 06:24 .

[Revan312]

zahra wrote...

I think Bioware will choose to go the
commercial friendly route and go for something like "This Is War" which
seems edgy [emphasis on the word "seems" because Jared Leto is about as
edgy as Papa Smurf] but not too polarizing.

Good music isn't
defined by genre. I like Arvo Part and Fantomas, at the same time.
Despite them being on different ends of the spectrum, my brain isn't
bleeding. Genre bashing or calling one out as superior to the another is
juvenile.

Fun fact: People will have different tastes and
ideals in regards to music. The world is wild like that. Accept it and
embrace it.

This, except for contemporary country, not sure how anyone could enjoy listening to the same song sung by a hundred different people that all sound exactly the same..  I really don't get it.. But, that's just my opinion..

And @Gerudan, it completely depends on the artist, the length of time the music plays, the producer of the music, the appeal of the ad, the demographic it targets, how popular the artist is etc etc..  To say it would cost too much is ludicrous as you could spend anywhere from $1000 to half a million, it all depends and a ton of variables factor into the cost.. Nobody would use popular songs in marketing if "it wasn't good business".  If they think it would heighten appeal and was worth the money they'll do it..

Modifié par Revan312, 18 septembre 2010 - 06:28 .

[Celticon]

outlaworacle wrote...

This game needs some ****ing Black Metal. Burzum. Maybe Satyricon. Otherwise I will stab one of my friends in the head. Many times.

Black metal musician should have been a playable character class/origin.

[Jose Ramirez]

I really hated the last track of the game by thirty seconds to mars when i first heard it. now it has grown on me. i get goosebumps when i hear it on the radio. i did think that at the boss battle there should have been some epic metal playing. for ambiance. as long as they don't use any stupid emo music to market DA2 like they did to Final Fnatasy 13. seriously, that really drove me away from the game, among ohter things. they should but some real medieval renaissance music into DA2.

[Seifz]

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Why do people categorize all metal as an obnoxious, loud yelling and jet engines? How in the hell is a band like Delain (for example) obnoxious and loud? Even harder sounding bands such as Draconian have some of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard.

1.  Most metal is loud and obnoxious.  Screaming, repetitive power chords, "I can play super awesome guitar, watch!", etc.  I don't have the patience to find the few good songs amongst all of the crap.

2.  Metal fans are also generally obnoxious.  They always have a list of 5-10 bands that nobody's ever heard of and those bands are "real" metal.  The rest is just mainstream crap, you know?  Plus, anyone who doesn't like metal has terrible taste and is just a product of society.  Also, Guitar Hero and Rock Band should include only metal tracks because those are harder to play.  Right, guys?!  Right?!

That's why I have no problem saying, "I hate metal."  I like a few songs from a few bands, but not enough to invalidate that statement. 

EDIT:  As for the video you linked, the guitars are oboxious from the beginning.  It's just noise.  Does every metal song really need a whole bunch of repeitive, heavily distorted power chords?  Is that what makes it metal, or something?  Bah!  I like the non-guitar instruments.  Minus points for the female vocals.  That last part is a personal thing, but suffice to say that I can't stand female vocalists who aren't clasically trained.  Their higher-pitched voices just bother me.

Modifié par Seifz, 19 septembre 2010 - 03:11 .

[Maverick827]

I'm very opinionated about music or, more specifically, the poetics of musical lyrics. I only really respect a handful of bands lyrically, and only listen to a slightly larger handful of bands for recreation.

But this thread isn't about music, and it's not in a forum meant to discuss musical preferences. This thread is meant to discuss whether or not DA2 should be advertised with heavy metal, which is something that I still disagree with.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Seifz wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Why do people categorize all metal as an obnoxious, loud yelling and jet engines? How in the hell is a band like Delain (for example) obnoxious and loud? Even harder sounding bands such as Draconian have some of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard.

1.  Most metal is loud and obnoxious.  Screaming, repetitive power chords, "I can play super awesome guitar, watch!", etc.  I don't have the patience to find the few good songs amongst all of the crap.

2.  Metal fans are also generally obnoxious.  They always have a list of 5-10 bands that nobody's ever heard of and those bands are "real" metal.  The rest is just mainstream crap, you know?  Plus, anyone who doesn't like metal has terrible taste and is just a product of society.  Also, Guitar Hero and Rock Band should include only metal tracks because those are harder to play.  Right, guys?!  Right?!

That's why I have no problem saying, "I hate metal."  I like a few songs from a few bands, but not enough to invalidate that statement. 

EDIT:  As for the video you linked, the guitars are oboxious from the beginning.  It's just noise.  Does every metal song really need a whole bunch of repeitive, heavily distorted power chords?  Is that what makes it metal, or something?  Bah!  I like the non-guitar instruments.  Minus points for the female vocals.  That last part is a personal thing, but suffice to say that I can't stand female vocalists who aren't clasically trained.  Their higher-pitched voices just bother me.

1. Is wrong. Have you ever even seen the lyrics to metal songs? I doubt you even know what real metal is. There's a lot of variety between the sub-genres and early metal bands like Black Sabbath, Judas Priest and Dio sounded very different from metal bands of today.

2 Is wrong again. I like most sub-genres and most metal bands for different reasons. Again there's a lot of variety in metal more than any other genre of music and there' s also a lot of crossover genres like Folk Metal, Symphonic Metal, Industrial Metal, Gothic Metal. It's successfully mixed with other genres more than any other style of music. Another thing I love about metal.

" It's just noise"

The words of someone who knows nothing about metal. By the way you're going on you probably heard some random band on the radio and think all metal bands sound like that. You are wrong.

[Arelyte]

Iron Maiden!

[Seifz]

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

Seifz wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...

Why do people categorize all metal as an obnoxious, loud yelling and jet engines? How in the hell is a band like Delain (for example) obnoxious and loud? Even harder sounding bands such as Draconian have some of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard.

1.  Most metal is loud and obnoxious.  Screaming, repetitive power chords, "I can play super awesome guitar, watch!", etc.  I don't have the patience to find the few good songs amongst all of the crap.

2.  Metal fans are also generally obnoxious.  They always have a list of 5-10 bands that nobody's ever heard of and those bands are "real" metal.  The rest is just mainstream crap, you know?  Plus, anyone who doesn't like metal has terrible taste and is just a product of society.  Also, Guitar Hero and Rock Band should include only metal tracks because those are harder to play.  Right, guys?!  Right?!

That's why I have no problem saying, "I hate metal."  I like a few songs from a few bands, but not enough to invalidate that statement. 

EDIT:  As for the video you linked, the guitars are oboxious from the beginning.  It's just noise.  Does every metal song really need a whole bunch of repeitive, heavily distorted power chords?  Is that what makes it metal, or something?  Bah!  I like the non-guitar instruments.  Minus points for the female vocals.  That last part is a personal thing, but suffice to say that I can't stand female vocalists who aren't clasically trained.  Their higher-pitched voices just bother me.

1. Is wrong. Have you ever even seen the lyrics to metal songs? I doubt you even know what real metal is. There's a lot of variety between the sub-genres and early metal bands like Black Sabbath, Judas Priest and Dio sounded very different from metal bands of today.

It is not wrong.  It's my opinion.  I find most metal to be loud and obnoxious.  That's all there is to it.  I've heard plenty of different metal bands because I used to live with a metal-head who insisted that I hear this song or that song.  He never did change my mind about the genre as a whole.

2 Is wrong again. I like most sub-genres and most metal bands for different reasons. Again there's a lot of variety in metal more than any other genre of music and there' s also a lot of crossover genres like Folk Metal, Symphonic Metal, Industrial Metal, Gothic Metal. It's successfully mixed with other genres more than any other style of music. Another thing I love about metal.

No, it's not wrong.  I'm obviously generalizing.  I don't care about one specific metal fan.  That said, what the hell is folk metal?  The folk crowd turned on Bob Dylan the minute he plugged in his electric guitar and now there are bands trying to claim that they're "folk metal"?  Sure.  You remind me of those emo fans that insist emo has multiple sub-genres that are actually distinct.  Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

I don't deny the existance of symphonic metal.  I've heard a fair bit of that and I actually do enjoy some of it.  The rest all sounds the same, to me.  Loud and obnoxious.  Mostly.

The words of someone who knows nothing about metal. By the way you're going on you probably heard some random band on the radio and think all metal bands sound like that. You are wrong.

No.

EDIT:  I guess I should clarify.  Yes, I understand the difference between a band like Rammstein and a band like, say, Iron Maiden.  I get it.  That doesn't change my opinion.

Modifié par Seifz, 19 septembre 2010 - 03:31 .