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[Arttis]

I Bump For more being informed!

[OriginsIsBest]

perishh wrote...

So... How is it a sequal?
No Warden?
No Morrigan ending?
No Morrigan's child?
No return of old favorite characters?
All new adventure?

Anyone else as dissapointed as I am?  I mean They didnt exactly put an ending on the 1st one.
As much as I LOVED the 1st one I'm not exicted about the next

Yes Im dissapointed aswell.
Thought BioWare would of done a better job with Dragon age 2 instead of dropping everything we loved about the game to make a new character.

[Arttis]

Well Hawke is not the god baby no one said that morrigan and the god baby will not appear.They just are not blood relatives to Hawke.

They say they really wanted to tell this story of Hawke he is the most important person in thedas.

[nikki191]

full VO.. awesome.. the silent main character was very jarring for me but each to their own.. no races.. this was disappointing for me although finding out either gender is playable was a relief

[Lyssistr]

bump for re-sticky-fication.



why the only reasonable thread was de-sticky-fied?

[BomimoDK]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

perishh wrote...

So... How is it a sequal?
No Warden?
No Morrigan ending?
No Morrigan's child?
No return of old favorite characters?
All new adventure?

Anyone else as dissapointed as I am?  I mean They didnt exactly put an ending on the 1st one.
As much as I LOVED the 1st one I'm not exicted about the next

Yes Im dissapointed aswell.
Thought BioWare would of done a better job with Dragon age 2 instead of dropping everything we loved about the game to make a new character.

Honestly, could you people somehow learn how to see beyond your own nose? Save Imports have been confirmed... when they say Flemeth plays in... maybe that has some relation as to wether you REALLY got her the Grimoire or if you sold her out. Are you guys just Dim? how hard is it to see such an obvious hint towards your Wardens actions maybe actually counting for something.

You honestly look like you're just seing a ****game because you don't want to see anything else. if you got yourself together, stopped looking for hints towards panic and looked for opposite hints towards DA:O meaning something, we wouldn't have such a circus in here now.

Happy that PC combat stays largely unchanged... "Dynamic combat" prolly just means more awesome finishers... maybe even proper dismemberment.

[Chaia]

SirShreK wrote...

3. Flemeth is NOT a typical shape-shifter. There is some more disturbing fact about her that we are made privy to.(Some speculation: How did she save the PC in the tower of Ishal? Did she turn into a Dragon? Is she an old god? )
8. Arch-demons, like Flemeth practice blood magic that allows them to transfer souls from one body to another.

Morrigan does say that Flemeth changed into a giant egal and plucked the Warden and co out of the tower, that is if you believe her then again I don't see a reason why she would lie about that, and I'm pretty sure Flemeth is just a abomination that was once a powerful witch/mage.

[Boombox]

I'm actually happy with what we know so far. I can't say how glad I am that DA2 won't be about the Warden. Sure, DA:O is great but it's nice to get something new and fresh. I also like the mass effect type voiced character thing.



The only thing I'm worried about is conversations with our companions. If it's the god-awful Awakening style that'll be enough to ruin the game for me...

[jaikss]

Gah,flemeth in da2= win if they manage to pull it off

Although I doubt she will actually be a travelling companion to the hero,even if her weakness compared to dao could be explained by having to take over a new body I just dont see The flemeth tagging along with this hawke guy when she didnt do so even with the warden(even though she obviously felt the warden was of great importance).

And yeah she probably has something to do with the old gods,otherwise why would she be able to control the darkspawn the way she does after ostagar

[jaikss]

SirShreK wrote...

jaikss wrote...

Gah,flemeth in da2= win if they manage to pull it off

Although I doubt she will actually be a travelling companion to the hero,even if her weakness compared to dao could be explained by having to take over a new body I just dont see The flemeth tagging along with this hawke guy when she didnt do so even with the warden(even though she obviously felt the warden was of great importance).

And yeah she probably has something to do with the old gods,otherwise why would she be able to control the darkspawn the way she does after ostagar

She may not necessarily have to be in the story as a companion or an NPC. She can just have a cameo appearance WHILE she was alive during the DAO time period. This will not violate any of the known choices you made in the DAO game. This is possible as the DA2 can definitely overlap the DAO.

*sigh* Yeah cameo does seem likely judging from the "flemeth will appear" description,shame really she would make for a pretty interesting character im sure,but I quess theres just so much they can put into one game :happy:

[CHRiTTeR]

you might be (and probably are) right about flemeth being to powerfull to be a partymember. But you never know what crazy circumstances you (or even her/it) get in... it might be just temporary etc.
I also mentioned it 'might be a possibility' not that that is how its going to be, no one knows that yet.

She may not necessarily have to be in the story as a companion or an NPC. She can just have a cameo appearance WHILE she was alive during the DAO time period. This will not violate any of the known choices you made in the DAO game. This is possible as the DA2 can definitely overlap the DAO.

Now THAT would be incredibly dissapointing, as i already mentioned, and Im sure bioware fully realises that... Im quite sure it wont just be some cameo appearance, that would be like the stupidest thing ever in the storytelling history of bioware.

Modifié par CHRiTTeR, 11 juillet 2010 - 03:46 .

[Paragon_Torch]

perishh wrote...

So... How is it a sequal?
No Warden?
No Morrigan ending?
No Morrigan's child?
No return of old favorite characters?
All new adventure?

Anyone else as dissapointed as I am?  I mean They didnt exactly put an ending on the 1st one.
As much as I LOVED the 1st one I'm not exicted about the next

Well, there IS a possibility that Bioware will make use of both games in Dragon Age 3, weaving the story of Hawke and that of the Warden Commander together for the events that involve Morrigan and her (possible) child. If they do, however, it will require the savegames from Dragon Age: Origins for Dragon Age 2 to shape the aftermath of the Warden's victory.

Not unrealistic to do, as I do not think that even the Free Marches couldn't have come to be affected by the events of the aftermath after the Blight in Ferelden entirely - or at least have come to have heard of them.

But, this is pure speculation, in the end. Just my two "coppers". As for the game itself - take a look, and learn more about it before you pass judgement. Who knows - you might be surprised (if anything, it'll at least give you more ammunition than you have now).

[saphirekosmos]

SirShreK wrote...

Ok. I did some serious research and here's what I think is the inspiration for DA series:

Akallabeth from the LOTR universe. Numenors from the Akallabeth attack the Western shores to claim immortality believing that by capturing the western lands they will inherit eternal life. They are persuaded of this by the fallen Sauron.

Cut to DA universe; my Hypothesis: The history of the DA is actually all about the elves.

Elves rule Thedas and are immortals. They have a city at the center of the world called Arlathan. They practice blood-magic, but of the mild, non-evil kind. Their elders hibernate when very very old and die of malnutrition. {smile}

They worship some very powerful fade spirits (their GOOD gods) and the Demons (evil gods) which no longer exist in the fade in the present time-line. They are perhaps familiar with the use of Lyrium, but there is no evidence of that.

Humans appear from some other geographical region. Elves teach humans magic. Particularly mild blood magic. Humans being smart develop it and create crazy blood magic. They form the tevinter Imperium. Jealous of the eleven immortality they assault the city of Arlathan aka the golden city. As they lay waste to it, the powerful elders perform powerful magic to hide the city in the fade and underground simultaneously (it exists perhaps as a shadow in the fade, the shadow of all the good and golden the original was), away from the grasp of humans. The city being the source of the immortality of the elves automatically nullifies their prolonged lives. The elders booby trap the shadow city, so if the mages from the imperium reach it, they will awaken a taint, the elven elders created. The black city is connected via tears in the fade to its earthly counterpart due to massive slaughter of the elves that happened in it. The elders are powerful shape-shifters that can become High-Dragons and now decide to hibernate under the earth to await the Imperium springing their trap (actually this is the only explanation I can think of the Arch-demons; the only place I think I will be caught mistaken later.). They sing (uthenera ) {smilie}{smilie}{smilie}{smilie} and attract the dark-spawn to lead them to attack the world.

The Archons conspire with some remaining elves (who are unaware of the trap) to reach the newly appeared city (Arlathan) in the fade, to acquire the secrets to immortality that were lost with it; the elves help because they too want their immortality back. They enter the city, but the trap is sprung... they become the dark-spawn and now are forced, through blood-magic to find and awaken the Elder, hibernating elven shape-shifted Dragons to start a Blight and destroy the world of men.

The warden are somehow aware of the truth (the High-wardens) and use the blood-magic in the rituals of the Joining to become anti-dark-spawns (perhaps guided by some enlightened mage).

Andraste, a powerful mage, formerly slave of the imperium makes contact with a fade spirit like in the case of Wynne OR the god Fen'Harel... (here again I am unsure)... and starts the cult of the Maker, whom she believes to be the creator of the world. I vote for Fen'Harel, as to why I will explain in some time. She leads a rebellion against the imperium and decimates their forces, but is betrayed and thus is born the Chantry. Andraste's ashes are taken by her powerful mage followers (possibly Shartan) and are protected by powerful magic fueled by the Lyrium in the mountain near Haven.

The chantry rewrites history according to Andraste's version of events. The Maker is thus born {smilie}.

Now I have some Hypotheses:

Andraste is actually a woman who
harbors the pure soul of one of the the so called Old Gods; like
Morrigan's God Child. This is supported very very weakly. But I believe in
symbolism. And there is a very important symbolism at work about Songs.
The Old Gods sing. The elves Sing. Andraste Sings. Darkspwan are
attracted to Songs (of the Old gods). Leliana sings too but its just a
coninceidence {smilie}{smilie}. Thus Andraste is so powerful because of her soul.
This may also explain why the haven people thought the Dragon on the Mountain top was Andraste.

Similar is the thing about Flemeth. She also fits in the same category
except that she does not sing. The difference is the character of the ladies. Andraste is a lawful/neutral/chaotic good, while Flemeth is
Neutral Evil.


I think that the Maker is Fen'Harel because he has a motive in spreading the chant of light across th w world. If everybody forgets the Gods of the elves, they will simply seize to exist in material or fade plane and he will become the only god. This is because of the essential nature of the fade is most probably based on imagination and the dreams of the mortals. This again is quite shaky.

Thus I have some doubts about my own theory: Especially about the Old Gods and the Flemeth/Andraste Old God theory and about Fen'Harel. Feel free to enlighten me.

Damn. O_o You know some of that actually makes a lot of sense. Either way that is a very interesting story/theory. One thing I have to ask is why would the Elders want to destroy the elves too? Darkspawn kill all indescriminately. Great work though man. XD

[saphirekosmos]

SirShreK wrote...

A small proof :

http://images1.wikia...0/ThedasMap.jpg

Have a look at the center The shape of the depression.

Are you talking about the area labed The Tirishan? That is the only place that looks like a depression.

[Ashiba]

I don't mind the "new game" aspect of it, but only allowed to be human? Sounds like a lot less origin stories and diversity if you ask me.

[saphirekosmos]

SirShreK wrote...

saphirekosmos wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

A small proof :

http://images1.wikia...0/ThedasMap.jpg

Have a look at the center The shape of the depression.

Are you talking about the area labed The Tirishan? That is the only place that looks like a depression.

i am talking about the silent plains its exactly in the center of the map. There is a Arlathan forrest elsewhere though and that I hope is imply after-thought nomenclature...

Okay. Hmm looks more like a Desert tan a bepression to me. Though that could still fit with your theory. Shadows of Undrentide maybe? Little throwback to their older games. XD