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[Riona45]

SirOccam wrote...
 These "judgments" you're making are all based on speculation and are therefore useless. I mean, you're just flat out WRONG when you say Hawke is a "pre-made character like Shepard."

Especially since the devs have specifically stated that Hawke is much less defined character than Shepard.

[Saibh]

Ensgnblack wrote...

Why was this unstickied?

Also, stop bickering in this thread; use it for info updates.

To be fair, the guy bickering is the same guy that takes the time to update and compile and read everything on this thread for us.

[Ensgnblack]

Yes he is. It would be far more productive to ignore the inane complaints in this thread than repond to them. The purpose of it seems to inform, not necessarily discuss and lament/praise the info contained in the OP.

[tishyw]

I found this link in another thread and thought it might be useful -
http://www.1up.com/d...age?cId=3180562

This line in it in particular - "Apparently a lot of the complaints revolved around the combat, and BioWare took notes to evolve Dragon Age 2 into what it is currently shaping up to be... a much more combat driven action game."

I'm not really get into Diablo-style games, so this is a bit worrying for me.

PS - this thread is unstickied again!

Modifié par tishyw, 26 juillet 2010 - 03:23 .

[Saibh]

I think they're trying to reduce the wall of stickies we've had for the past few days--this one, however, I'd say is the most important and useful. The others are just official announcements.

[SirOccam]

Ensgnblack wrote...

Why was this unstickied?

Also, stop bickering in this thread; use it for info updates.

It doesn't matter...I have this thread on its own tab permanently open in my browser, and I see every post made to it. I definitely won't miss anything due to volume. And no one else needs to worry about it, since the whole point of the thread is contained in the first post.

And I didn't think that discussion was bickering, so much as a spirited debate. I thought we were making some good progress, personally.

[hanibal.gr]

will the graphics be like dragon age origins because i am a little bit worried about this matter

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

hanibal.gr wrote...

will the graphics be like dragon age origins because i am a little bit worried about this matter

BioWare is using the same engine but they're updating it. And apparently the art style is also changing.

[SirOccam]

hanibal.gr wrote...

will the graphics be like dragon age origins because i am a little bit worried about this matter

They will be like Origins...only different. There's a list of all the screenshots we've seen so far in the highest resolution I could find in the first post if you want to compare. Of course with 7 months until release, there is a good chance that there will be some changes.

[Realmzmaster]

I have been out of the loop for a while dealing with RL issues. I saw the announcement for Dragon Age 2. I was excited until I read pre set character and he/she is human. Bummer!

I like rolling up my own character, picking the race and what I want he/she to be. All of that is taken away. I have to role play Hawke and not a character of my own design.

The character will be voiced?! Oh joy be still my heart. Only one story line. Cannot say I am thrilled with that choice. And it will be more action oriented? Interesting. I hope It will not disintegrate into a Dungeon Seige or Diablo clone. I have nothing against those games. I played them. I like the way Dragon Age Origins was structured.

I guess it was done for simplicity's sake. I have a feeling I will not be pre-ordering this one. I could be wrong. It may be a great game, but in my eyes it already has strikes against it that lessen my interest in it.

[SirOccam]

Realmzmaster wrote...

I have been out of the loop for a while dealing with RL issues. I saw the announcement for Dragon Age 2. I was excited until I read pre set character and he/she is human. Bummer!
I like rolling up my own character, picking the race and what I want he/she to be. All of that is taken away. I have to role play Hawke and not a character of my own design.

*sigh*

The only thing that is taken away is the race choice. Other than that, everything is still the same. You still choose your class, you still choose your first name, you still customize his/her appearance, and you still determine Hawke's personality and motivations. Hawke is a blank slate at this point...totally open for role-playing.

[Riona45]

Realmzmaster wrote...

I have been out of the loop for a while dealing with RL issues. I saw the announcement for Dragon Age 2. I was excited until I read pre set character and he/she is human. Bummer!

Maybe not as preset as you seem to think.  You must be human, and you have "one origin," but you can choose your class, and part of the point of the game is about defining the character of Hawke. 

[Realmzmaster]

Ah! But you do roleplay a human different than you would a dwarf or elf. Different culture and expectations as was evident in Dragon Age Origins. Different reactions occur depending on race because of prejudice and/or social status and norms.

I will reserve judgement on how will the social patterns established in Origins appear in DA2.

And it still leaves other issues like more action oriented up in the air.

[Riona45]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Ah! But you do roleplay a human different than you would a dwarf or elf. Different culture and expectations as was evident in Dragon Age Origins. Different reactions occur depending on race because of prejudice and/or social status and norms.

That's true--for some people it's not a big deal.  Some people would have picked humans anyway.

And, it certainly doesn't make it right to declare that Hawke is a defined character when the devs have specifically said he/she isn't.

Modifié par Riona45, 26 juillet 2010 - 06:55 .

[mllrthyme]

Realmzmaster wrote...

..... Different reactions occur depending on race because of prejudice and/or social status and norms.

Exactly.  I'm guessing that the reason they limited the character to human was to keep the story deep and intriguing (hopefully).  It would need to be explained why a dwarf or elf would be running around in the Free Marches and eventually become the Champion of Kirwall.  Stereotypically, dwarves reside in Orzamarr (or the other dwarven city, Kal Shirok?) and those on the surface usually function as merchants.  Elves would have a different dynamic with human interaction seeing as how some are former slaves (and Kirkwall was a major hub of the slave trade), and which would the PC be - Dalish or city elf?  Playing the different origins in DA:O was fun, but I think in order to keep a level of immersion regarding racial prejudice and social status/norms the race needed to be whittled down to one and focus more on the character and his/her story, rather than the race.  Perhaps we will see future games with a dwarven or elven PC that delves more into the origins of those particular races even more than DA:O.  Who knows?

[Realmzmaster]

Riona45 wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Ah! But you do roleplay a human different than you would a dwarf or elf. Different culture and expectations as was evident in Dragon Age Origins. Different reactions occur depending on race because of prejudice and/or social status and norms.

That's true--for some people it's not a big deal.  Some people would have picked humans anyway.

And, it certainly doesn't make it right to declare that Hawke is a defined character when the devs have specifically said he/she isn't.

A major part of the character is defined. His/Her race. Race in Origins helped define who and what your character was or would be. How the character was viewed.  Staus also played a part with the human and dwarf origins.
By defining the character as human certain expectations, norms and status are defined.
Now within that context Hawke may be a blank slate.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 26 juillet 2010 - 07:21 .

[Achiron]

At the end of DA:O talking to every one of your companions makes you feel as if they are still going to be around (much like in DA:A). definitely feel they will all or most will have some sort of appearance at some point in the game. BUT the facts mention DA:2 won't come out until a few more DLC's for DA:O. I believe these DLC's will end the tale for your Warden..or maybe DA:3 will be a character sequel to DA:O? Nevertheless, DA:2 is WORTH the buy to put all these rumors to rest.

[Lintanis]

SirOccam another thing to add to the first page, there is no lead platform all versions being worked on at the same time quote from MIke Laidlaw 

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/3149188/13#3225261

[Saibh]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Ah! But you do roleplay a human different than you would a dwarf or elf. Different culture and expectations as was evident in Dragon Age Origins. Different reactions occur depending on race because of prejudice and/or social status and norms.

That's true--for some people it's not a big deal.  Some people would have picked humans anyway.

And, it certainly doesn't make it right to declare that Hawke is a defined character when the devs have specifically said he/she isn't.

A major part of the character is defined. His/Her race. Race in Origins helped define who and what your character was or would be. How the character was viewed.  Staus also played a part with the human and dwarf origins.
By defining the character as human certain expectations, norms and status are defined.
Now within that context Hawke may be a blank slate.

You know, I promise you every one on this forum is human (unless you want to make a snarky comment on how you're really a nug, spectator <_<). And I promise you that we don't all share the same outlook, personality, experiences, moods, feelings, or what have you. 

The character being defined by his humanity is a personal choice you are making. Not everyone needs to make it. Ultimately, you might not have the same reasons for acting the exact same way as a Dalish Elf, but that doesn't change the facts that you aren't really presented with any more choices or outcomes.

Everything we have heard about Hawke is that the choices we get--the real choices, not the superficial, "I will call you an elf, now" sort of choices--are going to be far greater than those we had in DAO.

[AllThatJazz]

Yep, this is the thing that ticks me off about CRPGs that claim to offer tons of player 'choice'. 9 times out of 10, those 'choices' are purely cosmetic. What do I look like? what label do people attach to me in conversation? I guess I don't consider this choice as much as customisation - which is nice, but superficial. I'd be very happy with fewer customisation options, and more ability to make real choices that have an impact on the world around me.

[Arttis]

I think they improved the lighting in DA2 so the new graphics will looks very good.

[Wowlock]

I know it will sound weird but Bethany is HOT !



Other then that I love the Screenshots so far.



Hmm that wheel seems interesting. Glad it isn't a total copy of Mass Effect wheel.

[trying_touch]

thank you, OP...



like what i see so far... not sure what people are angry about



the emphasis on solid story-telling is great... i think despite the absence of origins and picking races, you will still be able to play yourself... i think it will still be worthy of many play-throughs...

[hanibal.gr]

it is sure that in your team you can take 4 members with you but will the party members be more than the dragon age origins had? (sorry for my english)