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[Spectre 117]

 So there were we back in 2006 Bioware stating that ME was going to feature a speech wheel which would hold both options to be a nice guy or a jerk,but it also said that even though there were going to be renegade options either way shepard was a hero.Enter ME2 and we have these funny looking scars that heal up if we are being nice or get worse if the players acts as a renegade.And here is my question,whygive renegade shepard an evil look?I mean isnt jerk shepard suppose to be a hero or better said a good guy either way?Why implement this fable 2 feature (which i have always found annoying)People see trailers and they are always saying hey look in ME2 shepard is evil!!He is not freaking evil!!!

[onotix]

you can take the scars off

[tmk]

Well, yea, apart from the fact that the med lab upgrade to do so costs more than armor and cannon upgrades combined...

[Spectre 117]

Exactly and i aint going to waste 50000 on fixing my scars :l

[Shotokanguy]

What's evil about red eyes and glowing scars? Something like that may generally be used for an evil character but there's nothing inherently evil about the color red or scars.

[Spectre 117]

Shotokanguy wrote...

What's evil about red eyes and glowing scars? Something like that may generally be used for an evil character but there's nothing inherently evil about the color red or scars.

He doesnt look evil does he?
http://i35.tinypic.com/68t2ma.jpg

[EpicFail25]

"Wanna know how i got these scars...?"

But in all seriousness, that is a very annoying feature that i hope they don't put in mass effect 3.

[bottledwater]

heros can be evil. maybe not in the sense of reckless, pointless destruction, but in the sense of arrogance and selfishness. shepard can be as mean as he wants to other people, but he saves the galaxy. that makes him a hero. maybe evil shepard doesnt care what happens to other people, but he knows if the reapers come he is screwed too, and that is why he is saving the galaxy, while good shepard saves the galaxy because he cares what happens to other people. either way he is a hero.

[Spectre 117]

EpicFail25 wrote...

"Wanna know how i got these scars...?"
But in all seriousness, that is a very annoying feature that i hope they don't put in mass effect 3.

Exactly because this is the fable equivalent to the halo(good guy)/horns(bad guy) thing and its wrong because renegade shepard isnt evil he is a jerk without a doubt but he is still a hero :l(This is one of those features to attract 13 year old punk wannabes)

[Shotokanguy]

Spectre 117 wrote...

Shotokanguy wrote...

What's evil about red eyes and glowing scars? Something like that may generally be used for an evil character but there's nothing inherently evil about the color red or scars.

He doesnt look evil does he?

If you consider red eyes and horrible scarring evil traits, yes.

But since I know they were just trying to make a Renegade Shepard look more intimidating or more screwed up, not evil, it doesn't look evil to me.

[Bogsnot1]

Using OP's (failed) gamer logic that red=evil, then using the same gamer logic, blue=good. TIM has blue eyes, but I wouldnt classify him as either Paragon, or good.

[Earthquake Warning]

Is the opinion that renegade Shepard *is* evil a fundamentally flawed one?

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

I think the word is anti-hero.

[Earthquake Warning]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

I think the word is anti-hero.

Even though Shepard is saving the universe, does that make him/her exempt from common decency? And what constitutes evil versus efficiency?

Forgive me. I just had an ethics class this morning, and it's tearing my soul up. 

[Spornicus]

Don't judge a book by its cover.

[Daforth]

Being a renegade means most of the time you intimidate , scare ppl to get what you want. Those scars makes you more intimidating and scarring. Its not evil or good thing.



Renegade Shepard has a goal and he/she wants to reach it whatever the cost and the shortest way. Many times it is shortest way is to scare off ppl from the way than convince them to cooperate.



Being renegade does not mean being evil automatically. You have options. As there is no one morality line but two you can do "good" things as renegade, when your act does not have effect on the mission. For example in Jacob's loyalty mission you can save the girl at the first encounter with the hunters or just watch her being killed. Ofc, you can play renegade Shepard as evil, I have one that I play that, but its your choice, not a choice by choosing the renegade path. Renegade path is not evil itself.

[Kroesis-]

I for one like to see a change in the person depending on how it's being played. I don't care if it's obvious (Glowy Scars) or subtle (such as differing idle stances). It allows me to think that this character is growing and responding to the current play style.



In fact, if time and available space on their target number of disks weren't an issue I'd like to see slight cinematic and vocal differences between Paragon and Renegade Sheps for ME3.



All in all, I like to see the differences and the more I can distinguish between my Shepards of differing styles, the better.

[CMD-Shep]

I personally hate the scars and always get them fixed right away. I don't understand why everything has to have that red glow. It just makes Shep look like a stupid terminator or a cyborg. I know that he has some cybernetics but is his face all "robot" under the skin? I know that BW wanted to make your renegade choices have more of a visual effect on your character but making Shep look like a techno zombie is just  silly. I mean if they can put him back together from a crispy corpse, why can't they fix his face?

Modifié par CMD-Shep, 09 juillet 2010 - 01:35 .

[lydlyd]

BioWare's done this sort of thing before in Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic - whenever your character makes a dark side choice your skin gets paler, veins begin to show, and your eyes turn yellow. In other words, a Sith. To me Shep's scars were just another version of this. At least in ME2 you've got the option to erase the scars.

[Spectre 117]

Daforth wrote...

Being a renegade means most of the time you intimidate , scare ppl to get what you want. Those scars makes you more intimidating and scarring. Its not evil or good thing.

Renegade Shepard has a goal and he/she wants to reach it whatever the cost and the shortest way. Many times it is shortest way is to scare off ppl from the way than convince them to cooperate.

Being renegade does not mean being evil automatically. You have options. As there is no one morality line but two you can do "good" things as renegade, when your act does not have effect on the mission. For example in Jacob's loyalty mission you can save the girl at the first encounter with the hunters or just watch her being killed. Ofc, you can play renegade Shepard as evil, I have one that I play that, but its your choice, not a choice by choosing the renegade path. Renegade path is not evil itself.

I know and i think i stated it pretty much in my original post,thats why it bothers me that they tried to do this fable thing where if you do the good or nice thing you get a halo and if you do the bad thing or jerk thing you get the horns,except that here if you are nice you get a pretty face but if you are a jerk you get some red scars :l

[Spectre 117]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Using OP's (failed) gamer logic that red=evil, then using the same gamer logic, blue=good. TIM has blue eyes, but I wouldnt classify him as either Paragon, or good.

I failed saying red=evil as much as bioware failed in red scars=badass and cool

[Christmas Ape]

Most of the big renegade choices play to Cerberus reputation or goals.

The more you support the pro-human shadow agency, the less human you end up seeming. Curious, that...

[Spectre 117]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Most of the big renegade choices play to Cerberus reputation or goals.
The more you support the pro-human shadow agency, the less human you end up seeming. Curious, that...

Hahahaha i havent seen it that way but its tru the more you aprove ceberus ideas the more you look like a cyborg

[misterburke]

It's quite easy, Don't like the red scars, then don't go renegade or buy the thing that removes it.

I can't see the bad in the scar/red eyes function since it actually make us (atleast me) feel that the character is being developed depending on how you play it.



I would be really dissapointed if Bioware removes the function in ME3 because of some cheap guys that don't want to buy the skin upgrade or just go paragon lol, like seriously?