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[snfonseka]

Spectre 117 wrote...

Exactly and i aint going to waste 50000 on fixing my scars :l

The price is not a big deal.

[snfonseka]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Using OP's (failed) gamer logic that red=evil, then using the same gamer logic, blue=good. TIM has blue eyes, but I wouldnt classify him as either Paragon, or good.

Indeed !

[Irohh]

you are just discriminating poor red glowing eyes Shep. Every one of your arguments is based on stereotypes of good and evil. If I like red Im evil??? If I like black Im a satanist????? If I like shoot puppies and smash kittens am I a bad guy???!!!!...



probably yes, but that just prove my point... Im out

[HopHazzard]

I didn't mind the whole good scars/evil scars thing, though it is a bit trite. The red glowy thing was just dumb though. They should've just healed over like normal (but gnarly looking) scars if you go renagade and faded like they do if you go paragon.

[Jaron Oberyn]

The scars not healing is because you make renegade choices that affect the healing process. If you're doing paragon choices, your sort of at "rest" and not frustrated or anything with renegade choices. Just look at how Shepard's face crunches up when he makes a renegade interrupt or dialogue option.



-Polite

[Wynter Storm]

Personal preference would be a bit more subtle approach to the renegade look. The scars and glowing red eyes are way over the top, and rather ridiculous. Then there's the fact that nobody ever comments on the scars, or even backs off just looking at him. (I would for sure) He doesn't need to look like a sith-demon-devil whatever.

[Atomic_Boom22]

There is no such thing as good or evil. Shep is a hero as a renegade but he's/she's not a nice person. Unlike in Fable where to look evil you have to do evil things, in ME evil is the bad guys, renegade Shep just gets the job done at any cost, paragon Shep watches out for others more then his/herself.

[Zaknaberrnon]

I think the scars look really cool. though I will say that the (at high levels of renegade) intense glow in Shepard's eyes is rather over the top, hey; badass shep FTW (lol at me saying that as my 'main' shepard is paragon but hey gotta love mah renegade :3 xD)

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Spectre 117 wrote...

 So there were we back in 2006 Bioware stating that ME was going to feature a speech wheel which would hold both options to be a nice guy or a jerk,but it also said that even though there were going to be renegade options either way shepard was a hero.Enter ME2 and we have these funny looking scars that heal up if we are being nice or get worse if the players acts as a renegade.And here is my question,whygive renegade shepard an evil look?I mean isnt jerk shepard suppose to be a hero or better said a good guy either way?Why implement this fable 2 feature (which i have always found annoying)People see trailers and they are always saying hey look in ME2 shepard is evil!!He is not freaking evil!!!

It's not meant to be evil, it's meant to be Badass. Essentially, that's what Renegade means; a Badass. It doesn't mean evil.

I would rather get rid of the scars but keep the eyes though. Wish there was a way to do that...

Modifié par Cra5y Pineapple, 13 juillet 2010 - 08:46 .

[angj57]

Earthquake Warning wrote...

Is the opinion that renegade Shepard *is* evil a fundamentally flawed one?

I don't think evil is the right word. Ruthless, aggressive, and unmerciful, with perhaps a dash of hubris, yes. But I don't think renegade Shepard sets out to harm people.

It doesn't help that we can play through as a paragon and see that the "good" choices always work out. For instance, shooting someone who is taking hostages instead of talking them down and finding a peaceful solution is only "bad" if you know for a fact that being peaceful will work, which we do as gamers but which Shepard wouldn't as a person. Likewise, as gamers we know that the rachni queen is essentially peaceful, so killing her seems evil, but as a person Shepard couldn't know for sure that she is telling the truth; the renegade option is less evil in that light.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

I thought we already agreed that a renegade Shepard is an anti-hero?

[Nox Ferocia]

personally I thought it was a lame attempt at fan control/service.... or shepherd shouldn't have scars, bad shepherd should because badasses have scars.... they could have at least done it more subtlely and TBH penalizing player that wanted a clean faced renegade and no option for a scarred paragon kinda sucked IMO.... too many shades of "inFamous" for me

[faximusmaximus]

I blame star wars

[brfritos]

Nox Ferocia wrote...

personally I thought it was a lame attempt at fan control/service.... or shepherd shouldn't have scars, bad shepherd should because badasses have scars.... they could have at least done it more subtlely and TBH penalizing player that wanted a clean faced renegade and no option for a scarred paragon kinda sucked IMO.... too many shades of "inFamous" for me

I totally agree with you.
I don't want to say this, but that's a lot of things in ME2 that is pure cool****.

What's cool****, you ask?

Is doing something very stupid and that doesn't make sense, because...well, it's cool.

The scaring, among other things, are in fact lame.

Modifié par brfritos, 15 juillet 2010 - 02:33 .

[MonkeyKaboom]

I think you all just **** too much. If you don't like it just get the damn med bay upgrade. The price is a drop in the bucket.

[KalosCast]

Renegade Shep has always put the "sociopath" in "heroic sociopath"

[Fredvdp]

I have a scar in my face and I'm not evil. I kill kittens and steal babies' candy but other than that I'm a pretty nice guy.

[Quintega]

Spectre 117 wrote...

Daforth wrote...

Being a renegade means most of the time you intimidate , scare ppl to get what you want. Those scars makes you more intimidating and scarring. Its not evil or good thing.

Renegade Shepard has a goal and he/she wants to reach it whatever the cost and the shortest way. Many times it is shortest way is to scare off ppl from the way than convince them to cooperate.

Being renegade does not mean being evil automatically. You have options. As there is no one morality line but two you can do "good" things as renegade, when your act does not have effect on the mission. For example in Jacob's loyalty mission you can save the girl at the first encounter with the hunters or just watch her being killed. Ofc, you can play renegade Shepard as evil, I have one that I play that, but its your choice, not a choice by choosing the renegade path. Renegade path is not evil itself.

I know and i think i stated it pretty much in my original post,thats why it bothers me that they tried to do this fable thing where if you do the good or nice thing you get a halo and if you do the bad thing or jerk thing you get the horns,except that here if you are nice you get a pretty face but if you are a jerk you get some red scars :l

First Fable 2 didn't start that scare thing niether did fable TLC it was brought over from KOTOR which Bioware made and KOTOR was made before the first FAble. 

Not to mention if you hate it so much and your doing a second play through you can purchase it off the bat or do some paragon things to make the scars less visible. I found the scars a little more entertaining since Scars in real life have similar aspec though not as extreme. If you have a wound and constantly stressing out he amount of cortisone your body will release will actually make the injury worse. Stressing would be like the renegade actions. 

Also the scaring thing has been around in movies and limited games long before 3rd gen systems came out. and we are on 6-7th gen systems so saying it came from fable 2 let alone one is a bit annoying. I am a fable fan incase your wondering but all the scars in Fable were the result of injures not evil or good. I have playedthe original tlc and 2 all being evil does is give you horns a red aura and flies the eyes aren't actually glowing its part of the aura that is in the eye sockets.

I would say simply they took part of KOTOR mixed in some modern day stuff and are we forgeting shepard wasn't finished being made the stress is just agitating the scars

[NephilimNexus]

What I find amusing is that Chakwas e-mail says that stress & negative emotions cause the scars to worsen while postive thoughts make them heal.  It's pretty obvious in terms of game mechanics, and completely bonkers in terms of anything remotely resembling real medicine.

First, stress.  Stress does indeed have proven medical effects on a person.  But what actually causes stress?  Knocking the crap out of some twit that is annoying you, or burying your anger so that you can "do the right thing" and not cause an incident?  Isn't the act of resisting violent impulses a kind of negative emotion?  Not to the world around you, but to yourself?  Being a Renegade may not make the world around you feel better, but it certainly makes Shepard feel better.  He's not bottling up stress from containing the aggravation given to him by all the idiots & scumbags of the galaxy.

Second, we're talking about scarring.  Scars either heal or they don't, and most of the time they don't.  No amount of happy zen thoughts are going to change this.  Mental states may effect your disposition towards ulcers & weight gain, but it's not going to affect scars any more than it's going to affect the color of your eyes.  Which, now that I mention it, is also an issue in the game.

Third, it seems strange that Bioware, of all the companies, is still clinging to some 14th century ideal of right & wrong while simultaneously claiming that is what they're not doing.  Paragon vs Renegade are said to be different paths not rooted in black & white, yet they reward you for doing one & punish you for doing the other.  Thus proving that they're basically outright lying about that whole "moral ambiguity" thing.

http://www.cracked.c...to-science.html

Modifié par NephilimNexus, 15 juillet 2010 - 04:42 .

[derLoko]

well, i for one hope that Shep really can be evil in ME3.



Cmon... Selling the entire galaxy to the Reapers?

YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT.

[Fredvdp]

NephilimNexus wrote...

What I find amusing is that Chakwas e-mail says that stress & negative emotions cause the scars to worsen while postive thoughts make them heal.  It's pretty obvious in terms of game mechanics, and completely bonkers in terms of anything remotely resembling real medicine.

I saw something on TV where they say that it's proven happy people heal more quickly than sad or angry ones. Mass Effect 2 is a bit over the top, though.

[Sursion]

The option exists to get rid of them. If you're not willing to spend 50,000 platinum, then stop complaining. Lot's of people like them.

[Neo Hex Omega]

I took the e-mail from Chakwas to mean that Shepard's mental state affects the implants, not the commander's body itself. It is implied that Shepard has some form of dermal regeneration devices in his/her skin, and these are somehow tied to his/her mental state, and thus affected by stress.



I still don't like it(a bit too over the top), but I find it a bit more plausible than Shepard's choices magically altering his/her face on their own.

[Nox Ferocia]

I also had issue with why Shepard had the scars to begin with... wtf was up there?.... THAT was way over the top....