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[SnakeHelah]

Uh, like Chris said it covers 10 years so that might be during the blight, before our PC got even recruited to the Wardens and then after even.

Personally I'm interested in the whole 10 years thing since remember how in AC you would go through a range of events and then end up with a beard?

[Darth_Trethon]

SnakeHelah wrote...

Uh, like Chris said it covers 10 years so that might be during the blight, before our PC got even recruited to the Wardens and then after even.
Personally I'm interested in the whole 10 years thing since remember how in AC you would go through a range of events and then end up with a beard?

IF they dedicate any time to the surviving the blight part(which I seriously doubt since we already dealt with the whole thing and played through all of it) then it will likely be just a small level like a prologue.....the way the origin stories were in DAO nothing more. I think it's pretty blantly obvious that most of the game if not all of it takes place AFTER the blight since the point of the game is for Hawke to rise to power not revisit the blight.

[drkshine86]

Honestly I hope the story isn't isolated to just one part of the world. 10 years is a long time and sounds like plenty of time to travel round the world as it were. Antiva, Orlais, The Free Marshes, Ferelden... why not them all!

[Darth_Trethon]

drkshine86 wrote...

Honestly I hope the story isn't isolated to just one part of the world. 10 years is a long time and sounds like plenty of time to travel round the world as it were. Antiva, Orlais, The Free Marshes, Ferelden... why not them all!

Because rising to power  takes a lot of bloody time and going to Antiva or Ferelden or whatever is pointless unless they are the country you want to take control of. The immediate focus is to ensure that you have enough support from within the country you want to take control of so that you can lead rather than deal with infinite civil war and assassination attempts. Political deals and treaties come after as they aren't likely to do you any good if you can't control your own kingdom.

[Cypher0020]

anyone think Fable....progress from kid>adult>old person

[kraidy1117]

Cypher0020 wrote...

anyone think Fable....progress from kid>adult>old person

minus the cheesy expresions, crappy story and everyone following in love with you and following you around?

[Darth_Trethon]

Cypher0020 wrote...

anyone think Fable....progress from kid>adult>old person

I doubt the whole range as no teen is likely to do much in terms of gainig allies to overthrow whatever country. If they have portions of the game where you are younger they aren't likely to last long imo. For most of the game Hawke needs to be at the bare minimum in his twenties if not his thirties.

[drkshine86]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

drkshine86 wrote...

Honestly I hope the story isn't isolated to just one part of the world. 10 years is a long time and sounds like plenty of time to travel round the world as it were. Antiva, Orlais, The Free Marshes, Ferelden... why not them all!

Because rising to power  takes a lot of bloody time and going to Antiva or Ferelden or whatever is pointless unless they are the country you want to take control of. The immediate focus is to ensure that you have enough support from within the country you want to take control of so that you can lead rather than deal with infinite civil war and assassination attempts. Political deals and treaties come after as they aren't likely to do you any good if you can't control your own kingdom.

Hmm, seems like 'rise to power' could mean anything from becoming a Monarch of a country... sure. However that phrase could also mean becoming legendary in a way other then just ruling a country. I don't wanna rehash the theme of disposing of a countries leader like in DAO again. Sure it was heroic and pretty awesome, but for round two I'd like to see something else. Something they thing songs about in every region of the world, not just Orlais, Ferelden or wherever.

[Demx]

Cypher0020 wrote...

anyone think Fable....progress from kid>adult>old person

No, I think Assassin's Creed 2; Ezio is followed around for 15 years and we don't really see any changes unless you count the stubble on his face at the end of the game.

[Phazor58]

drkshine86 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

drkshine86 wrote...

Honestly I hope the story isn't isolated to just one part of the world. 10 years is a long time and sounds like plenty of time to travel round the world as it were. Antiva, Orlais, The Free Marshes, Ferelden... why not them all!

Because rising to power  takes a lot of bloody time and going to Antiva or Ferelden or whatever is pointless unless they are the country you want to take control of. The immediate focus is to ensure that you have enough support from within the country you want to take control of so that you can lead rather than deal with infinite civil war and assassination attempts. Political deals and treaties come after as they aren't likely to do you any good if you can't control your own kingdom.

Hmm, seems like 'rise to power' could mean anything from becoming a Monarch of a country... sure. However that phrase could also mean becoming legendary in a way other then just ruling a country. I don't wanna rehash the theme of disposing of a countries leader like in DAO again. Sure it was heroic and pretty awesome, but for round two I'd like to see something else. Something they thing songs about in every region of the world, not just Orlais, Ferelden or wherever.

This is what I assumed.  I don't think "rise to power" means taking control of a country.  I thought it would just mean making a name for yourself and gaining widespread recognition.  So basically going from being penniless to gaining wealth (whether that be wealth of power, money, or something else)

Modifié par Phazor58, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:07 .

[Darth_Trethon]

Phazor58 wrote...

This is what I assumed.  I don't think "rise to power" means taking control of a country.  I thought it would just mean making a name for yourself and gaining widespread recognition.  So basically going from being penniless to gaining wealth (whether that be wealth of power, money, or something else)

Widespread recognition does NOT mean power nor does personal strength and bility equate into "rising to power". The phrase "rising to power" is clearly used in the context of political power......the phrase "think like a general" clearly implies this.

[drkshine86]

*sigh* No. You're wrong. The phrase 'think like a general fight like a spartan' was simply a reference to the new streamlined combat system. But hey, think what you want. It'll all be cleared up in the months to come. Personally I think if you wanna play a game where you 'rise to power' politically, maybe you should be checking out some of the information on Fable 3, sounds like just the game for you.

[Darth_Trethon]

drkshine86 wrote...

*sigh* No. You're wrong. The phrase 'think like a general fight like a spartan' was simply a reference to the new streamlined combat system. But hey, think what you want. It'll all be cleared up in the months to come. Personally I think if you wanna play a game where you 'rise to power' politically, maybe you should be checking out some of the information on Fable 3, sounds like just the game for you.

That's not the point. The point is that DA2 is about gathering money and allies....that IS political power. Money in and of themselves are NOT power though they can be used as a means of gaining power and the only kind of power you can increase with bags of cash IS political power. You do not rise to power by aimlessly going about killing whatever just to spread your name. There has to be a central goal to your actions. DAO was all about personal recognition and not so much about power but it wa NEVER advertised as "rising to power".

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:27 .

[drkshine86]

That's because it wasn't about rising to power in any sort of way. In most cases you were kinda sorta forced into becoming a Gray Warden, and then via plot were kinda plunged into having to respond to the blight like any Gray Warden would. Without that sort of pigeon-hole plot development 'rising to power' could be anything. Maybe in the beginning of the game the family Hawke is starting gets killed and Hawke responds taking out the local sect of Tevinter mages only to find out that the Tevinter imperium is planning to take over the kingdoms from within one by one world wide conspiracy style, causing Hawke to travel around Thedas trying to convince the various Kingdoms of this while simultaneously rallying allies to help him fight this threat as he does. This is 'rising to power' but isn't politically inclined motivated in any way shape or form. Once everything is said and done and the world by and large realizes what occured Hawke would surely live on for years in song and script.


Again, it's pointless to argue, you have your way of thinking which is fine, but to outright claim you are right doesn't really paint you in the best light. But to further support my way of thinking, it's claimed that Hawke's story is 'the most important of this world' not the 'most important story of Ferelden' or the Free Marshes or any other specfic locale.

Modifié par drkshine86, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:43 .

[Darth_Trethon]

drkshine86 wrote...

That's because it wasn't about rising to power in any sort of way. In most cases you were kinda sorta forced into becoming a Gray Warden, and then via plot were kinda plunged into having to respond to the blight like any Gray Warden would. Without that sort of pigeon-hole plot development 'rising to power' could be anything. Maybe in the beginning of the game the family Hawke is starting gets killed and Hawke responds taking out the local sect of Tevinter mages only to find out that the Tevinter imperium is planning to take over the kingdoms from within one by one world wide conspiracy style, causing Hawke to travel around Thedas trying to convince the various Kingdoms of this while simultaneously rallying allies to help him fight this threat as he does. This is 'rising to power' but isn't politically inclined motivated in any way shape or form. Once everything is said and done and the world by and large realizes what occured Hawke would surely live on for years in song and script.

Again, it's pointless to argue, you have your way of thinking which is fine, but to outright claim you are right doesn't really paint you in the best light.

In our immaginations words can mean anything if we ignore their meaning and context for the purpose of playing some silly game.......like "From now on I'll use the term cheese to refer to a helicopter".......see how that works. I somehow doubt that this is the kind of immaginative game that the devs are playing.

1) Need allies to rise to power.....that would be political
2) Need money to rise to power.....money can only gain political power
3) Think like a general......yeah that would be yet again political power

I somehow doubt that BioWare means "rise to power" in the terms of "whatever.....look there's a duck over there".

What you talk about regarding "song and script" is FAME......NOT POWER......there is such a thing that is called a dictionary.....look it up......for real it's not a rabbit.

[drkshine86]

Whatever. I've got a subscription to GameInformer. I'm sure they'll have some generic outlines for the plot in there. I'll just wait for that. Your latest post gave me a good laugh though.



dictionary... not a rabbit... lols.

[Phazor58]

It seems we have our own personal Glenn Beck here on the Bioware forums.

[Arttis]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Cypher0020 wrote...

anyone think Fable....progress from kid>adult>old person

minus the cheesy expresions, crappy story and everyone following in love with you and following you around?

everyone was scared of my characters.
Story was nice.
Expressions were very nice

[Demx]

Why is everything political?



You can have power with money without politics. Buying whatever you want is considered a power.

[SkittlesKat96]

It would be cool if we could go to the Northern parts of Ferelden at some point of the game, even if just for a DLC. I as a fan would like that.

[Celies]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

It would be cool if we could go to the Northern parts of Ferelden at some point of the game, even if just for a DLC. I as a fan would like that.

Like in Awakening? 

[MaxQuartiroli]

Darth_Trethon wrote...
In our immaginations words can mean anything if we ignore their meaning and context for the purpose of playing some silly game.......like "From now on I'll use the term cheese to refer to a helicopter".......see how that works. I somehow doubt that this is the kind of immaginative game that the devs are playing.

1) Need allies to rise to power.....that would be political
2) Need money to rise to power.....money can only gain political power
3) Think like a general......yeah that would be yet again political power

I somehow doubt that BioWare means "rise to power" in the terms of "whatever.....look there's a duck over there".

What you talk about regarding "song and script" is FAME......NOT POWER......there is such a thing that is called a dictionary.....look it up......for real it's not a rabbit.

They told us it was a new "single player RPG" not a new "strategic RPG"
I don't think they suddenly turned Dragon Age in Age of Empires..

[Heavenblade]

Maybe Hawke is from the deep uncharted frozen south. His tribe was destroyed when the darkspawn first appeared, and he fled north through the chasind lands, then through ferelden before finally stopping at Kirkwall across the sea. Rurik Hawke then unifies the Free Marches through shrewd trade, diplomacy, and force of arms. The crafty barbarian Hawke then adopts the tevinter chantry religion to diminish the influence of Andrastian ways and creates one of the most powerful realms in all of Thedas, rivaling Orlais in power and prestige.



Alternative names can be Ragnar Hawke, Lodbrok Hawke, Robert Hawke, or Mike Hawke.

[Arttis]

I hear Ebon Hawke is one that quite a few people will use.

I do not know what ebon refferences to.