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[Arttis]

GO search yourself.

Or just assume im full of ****.

Regardless i have the knowledge and the OP understands.

[joriandrake]

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

Wait, do you mean if I can't import DA:O into DA2, my good time with DA:O is pointless?

it is a game, it is pointless no matter what


...however...


...the longer you can transfer history of game/character into new titles the longer you can keep the bliss of pointless happiness

[Bfler]

They also said that the decisions count for Awakening. And what is reality: We got a predefined story without a reference to the personal decisions of the main game.



So I would say that for DA2 its the same. It is an independent game and you can play it without knowledge of the story in Origins.

[Herr Uhl]

 You mean this?

Victor Wachter wrote...

Wolf--Shadow wrote...

Oh, so everything that was established in DAO is now pointless? 
And Bioware has decided to take one step forward and three steps back?
 

DA:O is far from pointless, as you'll learn when you play DA2.

I've talked with Design quite a bit about Hawke, the DA2 lead character. There were a lot of directions that they could have gone, but ultimately, I think they made the right choice to tell the best story in this installment. Between now and launch, you'll learn more about Hawke and the story, which will shed a little more light on why Hawke was the hero that the world (i.e. this story) needed.

Link.

[Sique Foque]

joriandrake wrote...

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

Wait, do you mean if I can't import DA:O into DA2, my good time with DA:O is pointless?

it is a game, it is pointless no matter what


...however...


...the longer you can transfer history of game/character into new titles the longer you can keep the bliss of pointless happiness

We got a nihilist over there.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Bfler wrote...

They also said that the decisions count for Awakening. And what is reality: We got a predefined story without a reference to the personal decisions of the main game.

So I would say that for DA2 its the same. It is an independent game and you can play it without knowledge of the story in Origins.

If you are referring to what choice you made at the end when talking to Alistair or Anora, a few things to point out. You didn't have to have your character go through Awakenings. Even if you did and chose one of the other options other than remaining as Warden Commander IIRC the backstory allowed for you to have gone and done stuff and then comeback.

Also, with regards you claim that Awakenings gave a predefined story without reference to the personal decisions of the main game?

Really? I have to ask because I am quite sure who you made King/Queen was reflected in Awakenings.

I think there was also reference to what decision was made regarding the Circle Tower of Magi.

Even the choice with the Dwarves I believe was noted.

So to claim no decisions were referenced is clearly wrong. Specially as one of them can be visually seen (King/Queen).

As has been said in a few of the other topics on this forum, I think people are overreacting especially as they have hardly any info to prove their aspersions are correct.

[SkittlesKat96]

I'm guessing our save games will have an impact of some sort. Even if it's just little bits of information we hear about Ferelden or something. Maybe there will be a DLC where we can go to a part of Ferelden.

[joriandrake]

Sique Foque wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Hulk Hsieh wrote...

Wait, do you mean if I can't import DA:O into DA2, my good time with DA:O is pointless?

it is a game, it is pointless no matter what


...however...


...the longer you can transfer history of game/character into new titles the longer you can keep the bliss of pointless happiness

We got a nihilist over there.

no, I just try to use the logic of people against themself so I can explain my own opinion on things to them

[Caruka]

Well, there's alot of things in DA:O that can have alot of effects when it comes down to choices that will transfer. Like *SPOILERS* the main decisions in the game, there was the decision to ruin the Ashes (The decision required for becoming a Reaver.), the decision to make the Urn accessible to all, which is a pretty big decision, as it could cure the world, or plague it by losing all of it. (Personally I kept the Urn secret by killing Genitivi, and I kept the Ashes in perfect condition.) There was the decision to back the werewolves or kill them all (I killed the wolves.), the decision between backing Harrowmont or Bhelen, Harrowmont will shut off Dwarven society forever, while Bhelen will expand it into the mainland, and possibly even begin an empire, which is bad. Whether or not you let Branka make golems or not (I'm not sure if this'll be a big deal or not, but it sure seems like it will.), there's also saving the Redcliffe village, if you killed off Connor's mother or father, then there may be some problems later.

     If you backed the Templars and killed all the Mages or had them taken away would probably strengthen the Chantry's power, and limit the power of mages even more, or you could save the mages and nothing much would change. There's also the Alienage and how you handle that, then there's also the decision of sparing Loghain or not, along with the decision of Alistair and (I forget her name) for King/Queen, or getting them to marry each other.


   And FINALLY, the decision of whether or not you suicide, you let some other Grey Warden kill the Archdemon, or if you decided to do the mating ritual with Morrigan. Along with Morrigan's sidequest having to do with killing Flemeth, I'd assume that IF you killed Flemeth, and did the mating ritual, then Morrigan could actually be a serious threat. That would make her one of the most powerful mages in Ferelden, she could learn of all of Flemeth's secrets, and she would be mother to an Old God. Also, actually, I should say FINALLY here, there's also some of the final decisions AFTER the defeat of the Archdemon, I didn't read all of them, but I chose to free the Mages from the Chantry, letting Mages handle themselves. While this is the good Christian thing to do, it could easily have some bad effects, since the Mages aren't moderated, Abominations and Demons could easily take possession of anyone, and rule the land. *END SPOILERS*

    There's also other things I didn't mention that would make a big impact on DA2, those things all considered, their's alot of pros and cons to the decisions you make, that could all be considered.

Modifié par Caruka, 09 juillet 2010 - 11:27 .

[hurricaneez1]

Based on what we have read so far, there was no point in completing DA:O. The fact that you are not going to be playing your saved character is all I needed to know. Mass Effect III will be my next purchase from Bioware

[hawat333]

Why the heck do you buy any game?

Or is it only your topic's title?



Here's a suggestion for you: If there is a series of games, always play the last one. Skip the first, the second, etc, and don't even try long series like Rainbow Six.

This way, your time won't be wasted on pointless 120 hours of gameplay, which isn't important or fun or enjoyable, since it doesn't import to the sequel.



Better yet, don't play any game.

Really, if you play Dragon Age, you waste time since your gameplay data and choices aren't imported to the SW: The Old Republic. Therefore no point in playing Dragon Age.



You start to get my meaning, right?

[Caruka]

hurricaneez1 wrote...

Based on what we have read so far, there was no point in completing DA:O. The fact that you are not going to be playing your saved character is all I needed to know. Mass Effect III will be my next purchase from Bioware

Did you not read what I just said? BioWare said pretty early after release that our decisions in DA:O will impact later releases regarding it as well. What I just said are all things that undoubtedly will transfer into DA2, I'm sure.

[Jarlof Seoul]

The whole point for me was to get to: I WILL FIND YOU MORRIGAN!

[hurricaneez1]

hawat333 wrote...

Why the heck do you buy any game?
Or is it only your topic's title?

Here's a suggestion for you: If there is a series of games, always play the last one. Skip the first, the second, etc, and don't even try long series like Rainbow Six.
This way, your time won't be wasted on pointless 120 hours of gameplay, which isn't important or fun or enjoyable, since it doesn't import to the sequel.

Better yet, don't play any game.
Really, if you play Dragon Age, you waste time since your gameplay data and choices aren't imported to the SW: The Old Republic. Therefore no point in playing Dragon Age.

You start to get my meaning, right?

I doubt you really have a meaning.

My point, and I think it was pretty clear based on the rest of the thread, was that with regards to DA:2 it looks there is little or no reason to play DA:O prior to playing DA:2. No one is denying that DA:O was a great game so dont get your panties all in a bunch.

[joriandrake]

hawat333 wrote...

Why the heck do you buy any game?
Or is it only your topic's title?

Here's a suggestion for you: If there is a series of games, always play the last one. Skip the first, the second, etc, and don't even try long series like Rainbow Six.
This way, your time won't be wasted on pointless 120 hours of gameplay, which isn't important or fun or enjoyable, since it doesn't import to the sequel.

Better yet, don't play any game.
Really, if you play Dragon Age, you waste time since your gameplay data and choices aren't imported to the SW: The Old Republic. Therefore no point in playing Dragon Age.

You start to get my meaning, right?

people expect improvements and evolution of games, options and abilities in the games, especially sequels, and not a devolution


all the titles Bioware did and does raises the expectation level for their next game, this is not different for any other developer neither, people want to have all options aviable they had in previous titles, and even more in future ones


noone is an exepction from this, because atleast uncontiously about this even those who would deny it still think the same way

[joriandrake]

Jarlof Seoul wrote...

The whole point for me was to get to: I WILL FIND YOU MORRIGAN!

no you won't, not if she doesn't appear in the sequel and/or your character is missing

[Persephone]

Dee-Jay wrote...

Well, it's not all that surprising imo because it seems like Dragon Age 2 will be very much a different game, compared to part 1.

Dragon Age Origins was very much a classic RPG, adapted for Consoles. This includes character creation, a player party, item-management and semi-tactical combat.

Now the image that has formed in my head after reading about Dragon Age II is very different to that. I image it to be a lot more focused on your player-character and it might even have a more combat oriented game-play, not unlike ME 2. I also feel there might be a stronger focus on "governing" your lands, of which some aspects already shone through in Awakeing. This might include real military campaigns, not unlike Total War.

See, and I don't want DA2 to be anything like Total War. There are tons of games like that, DAO was a breath of fresh air and now they are going for the Rags To Riches stereotype again? (DAO did that in inventive ways at least!) They borrow from The Witcher, Fable and Maker knows what else but not from their original ideas?

[Persephone]

EEEEK. Double Post! Sorry!

Modifié par Persephone, 09 juillet 2010 - 12:06 .

[Perregal]

I have just heard about Dragon Age Two and to be honest I am sorely disappointed...So I don't get to be me anymore? Carrying over your character is what makes ME2 really cool and unique, and to be honest I was expecting the exact same...

Modifié par Perregal, 09 juillet 2010 - 12:58 .

[Lord_Saulot]

It was never you. It was a character in a video game that you developed affection for because you played it - its no different with the new game.



And no, you don't have to play a male. That's pure fiction. They have said time and time again that you can choose the character's sex.



And finally, this isn't Mass Effect (despite what some of the people on the forum have been worrying about); Bioware never made any indication that you would be able to transfer a character, and frankly, I always thought the signs pointed against it. But there is no reason you can't develop the same attachment to a new character.

[Deputy Secretary of Awesome]

It would be important for decisions to carry over. Just because the main character isn't directly translating doesn't mean they'll be absent or that your decisions will not impact Dragon Age 2. So much of Dragon Age was about choice and consequence, I doubt they will simply ignore that going forward. Running into the Warden Commander or the King/Queen of Ferelden could well feature, and hopefully does. It doesn't need to be either-or between a direct continuation from Origins or a completely standalone experience.

[joriandrake]

Lord_Saulot wrote...


And no, you don't have to play a male. That's pure fiction. They have said time and time again that you can choose the character's sex.

this one is true


but


you will not be able to play as any other race, not even dwarf or elf, we are stuck with human, what I hate in a fantasy rpg game

[Perregal]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

It was never you. It was a character in a video game that you developed affection for because you played it - its no different with the new game.

And no, you don't have to play a male. That's pure fiction. They have said time and time again that you can choose the character's sex.

And finally, this isn't Mass Effect (despite what some of the people on the forum have been worrying about); Bioware never made any indication that you would be able to transfer a character, and frankly, I always thought the signs pointed against it. But there is no reason you can't develop the same attachment to a new character.

Yes, I have figured out that you can choose your sex in the meantime, thanks...guess you are right; it's just a new game...just not what I was expecting, but I suppose it can still be good.

[Sique Foque]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

It was never you. It was a character in a video game that you developed affection for because you played it - its no different with the new game.

Well it is something different, if you have a real feeling for your consequences because you are still playing your hero from part 1. If his or her decisions only resonate in the sorroundings / society, it definitely is not the same. I love the new approach with the char transfer because you really get the impression that things do matter you decide and this is a new level of experience in a videogame for me.

And yeah of course it was 'you' in part, because you created face/history/race/gender etc. so you get attached to it.

I will still play the second game without doubt, BioWare will make a pretty good game, I'm sure. Not many developers are able to deliver such an immersive story. But I still can be disappointed about some decisions. It was the same with ME2 for me...

Modifié par Sique Foque, 10 juillet 2010 - 09:20 .

[FRZN]

Someone posted this link earlier, which summarizes some of the points of the game informer article http://www.gamingeve..._age_ii_details



The impression I get is that some of the game takes place at the same time as origins and you get to see the decisions you made as the warden from the viewpoint of hawke.