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[Mauzeer]

Kennible wrote...

I trust Bioware's quality.
Approval +100

+1

[joriandrake]

Ecael wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Ecael wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

don't forget Bioware is now in EA-s grip, no wonder everyone fears a drop in quality

Come on man. EA aren't the badguys they used to be. Activision are the villains now.

that we have both Twoface and Joker now doesn't mean Batman doesn't have to kick the ass of both

Show evidence that the quality of BioWare games released under EA has dropped first.

ME2 (removed rpg elements), Sonic C. (based on complains from others who actually care about Sonic)

First one is subjective and second one was published by SEGA, not EA.

Not to mention that EA brought Mass Effect to the PC in the first place, preventing it from becoming a console-exclusive game.

the "evidence" you want is all subjective to begin with

[Ecael]

joriandrake wrote...

Ecael wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Ecael wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

don't forget Bioware is now in EA-s grip, no wonder everyone fears a drop in quality

Come on man. EA aren't the badguys they used to be. Activision are the villains now.

that we have both Twoface and Joker now doesn't mean Batman doesn't have to kick the ass of both

Show evidence that the quality of BioWare games released under EA has dropped first.

ME2 (removed rpg elements), Sonic C. (based on complains from others who actually care about Sonic)

First one is subjective and second one was published by SEGA, not EA.

Not to mention that EA brought Mass Effect to the PC in the first place, preventing it from becoming a console-exclusive game.

the "evidence" you want is all subjective to begin with

So I guess we should just go by how many people liked the game compared to those who didn't, then?

[MaxQuartiroli]

I totally agree with the OP

Hey people.. they haven't pratically showed us anything of the game yet... Just some small informations which made people to come to conclusions without any real proof.

I have to say a thing, I don't know if I am the only one who has this feeling but if I read the posts of David, Mary and other BW guys I really see a big enthusiasm behind their words... I feel like they are REALLY satisfied of their work, and it's not just because of the appearence and the attitude they have to keep here... I feel like their enthusiasm for this game they created is really genuine.

Therefore my advice is "Calm down and wait... let's wait and see before coming to conclusions"

Modifié par MaxQuartiroli, 09 juillet 2010 - 11:02 .

[joriandrake]

Ecael wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Ecael wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Ecael wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

don't forget Bioware is now in EA-s grip, no wonder everyone fears a drop in quality

Come on man. EA aren't the badguys they used to be. Activision are the villains now.

that we have both Twoface and Joker now doesn't mean Batman doesn't have to kick the ass of both

Show evidence that the quality of BioWare games released under EA has dropped first.

ME2 (removed rpg elements), Sonic C. (based on complains from others who actually care about Sonic)

First one is subjective and second one was published by SEGA, not EA.

Not to mention that EA brought Mass Effect to the PC in the first place, preventing it from becoming a console-exclusive game.

the "evidence" you want is all subjective to begin with

So I guess we should just go by how many people liked the game compared to those who didn't, then?

you asked for evidence on lower quality

I never said I didn't like ME2, but I was dissatisfied with the fact that they raped the inventory and companions were unable to any longer change armor and weapons as they are supposed to do, not to mention most of armors and weapons just disappeared entirelly, even my fav. mercenary armor

[The Masked Rog]

The name Hawke has sent the people of this forum into hysteria, because another fixed surname happens to be Shepard, and that name is fixed because it allows voice acting.

Every character in Dragon Age origins has a fixed surname. That proves nothing.

[SkittlesKat96]

Well it's not as bad as the SWTOR site haha. That place gets a bazillion topics that go out of hand.

I have complete faith in Bioware at the moment and won't whine if they do something I don't like.

[BallaZs]

The Masked Rog wrote...

David Geider said that they could make some changes in the dialogue system, but on a limited scale. That was like 2 months ago. Suddenly everyone seems to know for sure they will use Awakenings dialogue system, instead of something completely new.

Totally agree,
lets just wait with our 'Wish List' and the 'DA2 is going to be suck' Theory until we get some further information..
Put our trust in BioWare and let them to do what they are the best at..

[DanaScu]

Ecael wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Ecael wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

don't forget Bioware is now in EA-s grip, no wonder everyone fears a drop in quality

Come on man. EA aren't the badguys they used to be. Activision are the villains now.

that we have both Twoface and Joker now doesn't mean Batman doesn't have to kick the ass of both

Show evidence that the quality of BioWare games released under EA has dropped first.

ME2 (removed rpg elements), Sonic C. (based on complains from others who actually care about Sonic)

First one is subjective and second one was published by SEGA, not EA.

Not to mention that EA brought Mass Effect to the PC in the first place, preventing it from becoming a console-exclusive game.

The flawless release of MEpc immediately after EA entered the picture. Of course it wasn't rushed. Those galaxy map problems/permanent weapon overheating issues/missing ground textures were all undocumented features. Don't forget all that bridging dlc content that covered the gap between ME and ME2. And the dlc was all up to the same standards as the premium modules for NWN, like Pirates of the Sword Coast and Wyvern Crown of Cormyr, right?

Bioware's NWN had how many patches? They were released after how many months of the game being out? Now EABioware's ME, ME2, Dragon Age: O, and Dragon Age: Awakening have how many patches? Released how long after the game came out? Oh wait. The patches aren't being released, but they are giving updates about the updates to the patch that is being worked on. Better than totally ignoring the need for a patch I guess.
As for the "console exclusive", Bioware's other "console exclusive" game, Jade Empire came out for pc. It took longer that six months, however, and the game was playable when it did. I have a feeling that people would have been willing to wait a little longer for ME to come to pc with fewer issues than it did with EA's usual "get it out the door whether it works or not" tradition.

[epoch_]

No, hell hath no fury like a nerd's rage.

[TolaGarf]

joriandrake wrote...

don't forget Bioware is now in EA-s grip, no wonder everyone fears a drop in quality

Gee... This EA hate is so 2006. Be careful not to get stuck in time.

[adneate]

Kennible wrote...

I trust Bioware's quality.
Approval +100

Neverwinter Nights.

[Ecael]

DanaScu wrote...

The flawless release of MEpc immediately after EA entered the picture. Of course it wasn't rushed. Those galaxy map problems/permanent weapon overheating issues/missing ground textures were all undocumented features. Don't forget all that bridging dlc content that covered the gap between ME and ME2. And the dlc was all up to the same standards as the premium modules for NWN, like Pirates of the Sword Coast and Wyvern Crown of Cormyr, right?

Bioware's NWN had how many patches? They were released after how many months of the game being out? Now EABioware's ME, ME2, Dragon Age: O, and Dragon Age: Awakening have how many patches? Released how long after the game came out? Oh wait. The patches aren't being released, but they are giving updates about the updates to the patch that is being worked on. Better than totally ignoring the need for a patch I guess.
As for the "console exclusive", Bioware's other "console exclusive" game, Jade Empire came out for pc. It took longer that six months, however, and the game was playable when it did. I have a feeling that people would have been willing to wait a little longer for ME to come to pc with fewer issues than it did with EA's usual "get it out the door whether it works or not" tradition.

That's Microsoft's tradition, not EA's. Microsoft pushes everything out the door so that it's released before holiday season. They did that with their own console, trying to cut costs and make the most profit.

They didn't. Why? Because it backfired.

http://games.slashdo...0/2233228.shtml

"Microsoft designed the graphic chip on its own, cut a traditional ASIC vendor out of the process, and went straight to Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. Ltd., he explained. But in the end, by going cheap — hoping to save tens of millions of dollars in ASIC design costs, Microsoft ended up paying more than $1 billion for its Xbox 360 recall. To fix the problem, Microsoft went back to an unnamed ASIC vendor based in the United States and redesigned the chip, Lewis added.

Modifié par Ecael, 09 juillet 2010 - 03:42 .

[Lord_Saulot]

Dragon Age Origins was made under EA, so how is it logical to assume that because Bioware is now under EA, it will have to do a game with less quality than Dragon Age Origins, which was also made while Bioware was under EA, and has sold rather well for EA and Bioware?



This forum has been barely readable these last couple days.

[Brockololly]

adneate wrote...

Kennible wrote...

I trust Bioware's quality.
Approval +100

Neverwinter Nights.

Sonic Chronicles

[Brockololly]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

Dragon Age Origins was made under EA, so how is it logical to assume that because Bioware is now under EA, it will have to do a game with less quality than Dragon Age Origins, which was also made while Bioware was under EA, and has sold rather well for EA and Bioware?

Origins was finished under EA- they started work on it well before they were taken in by EA. So DA2 would their first game after ME2 which has been made from start to finish under EA.

[Ecael]

Brockololly wrote...

adneate wrote...

Kennible wrote...

I trust Bioware's quality.
Approval +100

Neverwinter Nights.

Sonic Chronicles

Published by SEGA.



Also the publishers of Obsidian's Alpha Protocol, which is going to be outsold by Sonic Chronicles in the same time-frame.

[adneate]

SEGA publishing that game doesn't change the fact that it's crap.

[Ecael]

adneate wrote...

SEGA publishing that game doesn't change the fact that it's crap.

You mean publishers don't have anything to do with game development?

Quick, announce this to the rest of the forums!

[Lord_Saulot]

Brockololly wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...

Dragon Age Origins was made under EA, so how is it logical to assume that because Bioware is now under EA, it will have to do a game with less quality than Dragon Age Origins, which was also made while Bioware was under EA, and has sold rather well for EA and Bioware?

Origins was finished under EA- they started work on it well before they were taken in by EA. So DA2 would their first game after ME2 which has been made from start to finish under EA.

That's a fair point, and I concede that I was mistaken to an extent.  But I still think part of my point stands.  Why would EA compel Bioware to alter a formula that has made EA and Bioware alike a lot of money?  Or from a different perspective, if EA acquired Bioware because it is good for a particular purpose, why would they then damage that purpose?

Granted, I haven't played either Mass Effect game, so unlike some others, ME doesn't affect my views since I know nothing about it. 

[Helena Tylena]

adneate wrote...

SEGA publishing that game doesn't change the fact that it's crap.

Perhaps not, but it does mean that it doesn't fall under the 'crap BioWare games published by EA', which was the point.

[adneate]

Helena Tylena wrote...

Perhaps not, but it does mean that it doesn't fall under the 'crap BioWare games published by EA', which was the point.

It appears you missed the point of my statement I didn't say Sonic Chronicles sucked because of EA. I'll say it clearly so you can understand: BioWare does not crap gold, they are not perfect they have made subpar games before people saying DA2 will be good because it's a BioWare game is as unwarrented as saying it's god punishment for a sinful world. The burden is on them to convince me to spend my money on this game, so far I'm not impressed.

[Gatt9]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...

Dragon Age Origins was made under EA, so how is it logical to assume that because Bioware is now under EA, it will have to do a game with less quality than Dragon Age Origins, which was also made while Bioware was under EA, and has sold rather well for EA and Bioware?

Origins was finished under EA- they started work on it well before they were taken in by EA. So DA2 would their first game after ME2 which has been made from start to finish under EA.

That's a fair point, and I concede that I was mistaken to an extent.  But I still think part of my point stands.  Why would EA compel Bioware to alter a formula that has made EA and Bioware alike a lot of money?  Or from a different perspective, if EA acquired Bioware because it is good for a particular purpose, why would they then damage that purpose?

Granted, I haven't played either Mass Effect game, so unlike some others, ME doesn't affect my views since I know nothing about it. 

Because "Market research" tells EA that only shooters sell well consistently,  so every game must be some version of a shooter.

Mass Effect 2 is the absolutely perfect example.  Every single RPG element was removed and instead a half-baked Shooter was implemented.  Even down to implementing a Doom style "End of level!" screen.

Go read the interviews with the ME2 team,  listen to them rave about how great it is to have made the game a shooter and how unimportant all the RPG elements were. 

We live in a world where there's only one type of game now,  people just randomly slap genre names on that game thinking it'll sell some copies.

[BroBear Berbil]

I am calm.

[Ecael]

Gatt9 wrote...

Because "Market research" tells EA that only shooters sell well consistently,  so every game must be some version of a shooter.

Mass Effect 2 is the absolutely perfect example.  Every single RPG element was removed and instead a half-baked Shooter was implemented.  Even down to implementing a Doom style "End of level!" screen.

Go read the interviews with the ME2 team,  listen to them rave about how great it is to have made the game a shooter and how unimportant all the RPG elements were. 

We live in a world where there's only one type of game now,  people just randomly slap genre names on that game thinking it'll sell some copies.

Define RPG, or you're the person randomly slapping genre names on anything.