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[wikkedjoker]

I very well could have proof that this takes place before Dragon Age Origins, during the Third Blight.

Okay what do we know.

That Hawke is the Hero of Kurkwall.

This is what threw me for the longest time, in DAO the Blight never reaches past Denerim, let alone to the Waking Sea, to get to Kurkwall. The Gray Warden kills Urthemiel at the Battle of Denerim “Stopping the blight before it ever began.” Now that’s an odd choice of words for the game to use don’t you think?


Now a lot of people say that Kurkwall was Hawke home, because he was the Hero of it. Funny enough thing however, it doesn’t have to be your home for you to be the hero of it. This is a good point, because we can probably assume that what threatened Kurkwall was a Dragon, so Hawke is probably a Dragon hunter.

Looking at his weapon of choice, I would further believe this.

Another thing that bothered me is we can be a Human mage. . . Now this is odd if we are a human Mage A) we are an Apostate, or We live in one of the many towers of Mage’s unless the Tevinter Imperium is in charge.

How does this all connect?

Pentaghast clan is a clan of Dragon Hunters who where the leaders of  Nevarra. Which is just West of Kurkwall and North of Planasene Forest.

Now that we have established that our Hero is from Nevarra we can add this to the mix and it makes a lot more since.

“You are one of the few who escaped the destruction of your home. Now, forced to fight for survival in an ever-changing world, you must gather the deadliest of allies, amass fame and fortune, and seal your place in history. This is the story of how the world changed forever. The legend of your Rise to Power begins now.”

Okay time for a little more explanation.

During the Third Blight

The Arch Demon of that blight Toth awakens and the third Blight hits in the central part of
Thedas .  The Tevinter cities of Marnas Pell and Vyantium as well as the Orlesian cities of Arlesans and Mibtimmard are hit hard, however The Grey Wardens in both of these countries are able to quickly organize a defense, and despite heavy losses in the besieged cities.

The Darkspawn are pushed back and  proceed to ravage Nevarra.

Eventually the Gray Wardens kill the Arch Demon and all is well. Except in Cites the Orlesian helped, these cities after the Darkspawn were removed were occupied by the Orlesian. Nevarra was taken by the Orlesian, only to later regain independence, and continue to rise up to rival the Orlesian  Empire, in terms of power.


Knowing that, makes this:


“You are one of the few who escaped the destruction of your home. Now, forced to fight for survival in an ever-changing world, you must gather the deadliest of allies, amass fame and fortune, and seal your place in history. This is the story of how the world changed forever. The legend of your Rise to Power begins now.”

Make more scene.

In short using clues form DAO I believe that DAO 2 will take place before DAO, During or at the end of the Third Blight.

Our Hero is probably a Dragon Hunter from the Pentaghast clan who is well known for saving Kurkwall form a Dragon earning him the title of the Champion of Kurkwall.

The city state of  Nevarra is probably were the guy comes form and it was ravaged by Darkspawn during the Third Blight, after surviving the Third Blight Nevarra is taken by the Orlesian Empire. And for some unknow reason, to us at this time. Hawke gathers people over a period of 10 years to fight off the Orlesian Empire and take back Nevarra.

And you have Dragon Age 2.

It would be interesting to see how close to being right I am, or how far form the base I hit.

But that's just what I think about it, you tell me your ideas. 

Modifié par wikkedjoker, 09 juillet 2010 - 12:05 .

[wikkedjoker]

For people that don't want to read everything to get to this at the end.

In short using clues form DAO I believe that DAO 2 will take place before DAO, During or at the end of the Third Blight.

Our Hero is probably a Dragon Hunter from the Pentaghast clan who is well known for saving Kurkwall form a Dragon earning him the title of the Champion of Kurkwall.

The city state of Nevarra is probably were the guy comes form and it was ravaged by Darkspawn during the Third Blight, after surviving the Third Blight Nevarra is taken by the Orlesian Empire. And for some unknow reason, to us at this time. Hawke gathers people over a period of 10 years to fight off the Orlesian Empire and take back Nevarra.

And you have Dragon Age 2.

Modifié par wikkedjoker, 09 juillet 2010 - 12:16 .

[Brockololly]

Good speculation. I really want to know when this actually takes place in relation to Origins. The only thing with it taking place in the 3rd Blight is the fact that would BioWare really call it DA2 when it would technically be a prequel? And supposedly Hawke and his story are the most important things ever in all of Thedas. If he is so important and this takes place in the 3rd Blight, why didn't we hear about him in Origins?

[Keithhy]

I don't know... it would be a letdown to a lot of fans to go through a plot that's already happened. Out of curiosity though, where did you see this thing about Hawke being from Kurkwall? Everyone keeps mentioning it, but I haven't the faintest clue where they've been getting their information from.

[Demx]

Oh dear, this might cause more confusion.



I was under the impression that the game took place after the blight from Origins.

[Helena Tylena]

Since the title is 'Dragon Age' my guess would be that it takes place during the Dragon Age. There has been, and only will be one Blight during the Dragon Age: the one we played through.

[Vengeful Nature]

It does. A prequel wouldn't make any sense, because we never heard of a Hawke in Origins, and he's supposed to be this massive hero by the end. Plus, the game TC describes wouldn't take place, chronollogically, in the Dragon Age.

Ninja'd about the Dragon Age point.

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 09 juillet 2010 - 12:29 .

[Herr Uhl]

It's a nice theory, but I doubt it.



And there were just as many chantries during the third blight. If not more since Rivain was still part of it, and I think that Tevinter was less liberal back then.

[SnakeHelah]

Uh sequel. Not Prequel. Besides How can this take place during a blight if you're a survivor of the blight?

[Arttis]

Maybe by the end He will be renamed Connobar.

lol i believe since the game is over the span of 10 years maybe a bit before the 5th blight and after it.

[Lord_Saulot]

I believe they titled this game "Dragon Age" because they expected to release a saga of games during the Dragon Age. More particularly, it only makes sense that Hawke is a survivor of the Blight from Origins, because that is what would link the two games (from what we know) and explain why Bioware is telling their tale in that order.

[wikkedjoker]

Brockololly wrote...

Good speculation. I really want to know when this actually takes place in relation to Origins. The only thing with it taking place in the 3rd Blight is the fact that would BioWare really call it DA2 when it would technically be a prequel? And supposedly Hawke and his story are the most important things ever in all of Thedas. If he is so important and this takes place in the 3rd Blight, why didn't we hear about him in Origins?

Your under the assumption that there going by Halo school of numbering meaning that chronologically, Dragon Age 2 would come after Dragon age 1.

And not the Final Fantasy school of numbering were even though it’s number is 13 it has nothing to do with 12 or 10 or 9 etc.  

If I’m right its probably just a place holder for another title, calling it Dragon Age 2 would just be easier for people to latch on to after it was announced. But so far in what they have announce I don’t even see why there is a 2 since its not a continuation of your Wardens story.  

And 2 when you think about it, you really didn’t hear about much, about anything in the world, just myths and legends that had to do with Ferelden.  


I mean how much did we know about Arling of Amaranthine before DAA, and even after that how much do we know?

[Herr Uhl]

This is supposed to be something that changed the world forever. I think such an event would have been touched upon.

[Brockololly]

Well as far as naming goes, I think it would be more along the lines of brand recognition in keeping it DA2- Baldur's Gate 2 had nothing to do with Baldur's Gate after all...

[Keithhy]

To be honest, I think that this Hawke fellow will be a survivor of the sixth blight. The fifth wasn't prolonged or large enough for this to be a viable game - considering the fact that it spans a decade - , and by the end of Awakening, everything was pretty much fixed. On the other hand, playing through any of the earlier major Blights wouldn't be that exciting, considering the fact that we already know roughly what'll happen, and that it just seems like a lead-up to the actually important stuff. Also, a prequel generally means a lot of retconning.
My guess is that the sixth Blight will be a protracted war involving most of the nations of Thedas, and that Mr. Hawke's rise to fame will be born from that war and the recovery to take place afterwards.
As for the "But it's called Dragon Age" argument, I don't think that has much credit. You can't go around changing the name of a franchise each place it's set somewhere new, and Dragon Age is as good a name as any. 
*EDIT* Damn, my franchise name argument was ninja'd and in order to really confuse me, Brockololly actually wrote his piece before I wrote mine. Hmph!

Modifié par Keithhy, 09 juillet 2010 - 12:42 .

[azarhal]

Keithhy wrote...

I don't know... it would be a letdown to a lot of fans to go through a plot that's already happened. Out of curiosity though, where did you see this thing about Hawke being from Kurkwall? Everyone keeps mentioning it, but I haven't the faintest clue where they've been getting their information from.

Actually, it's Kirkwall.

It was mentionned in the press release, here's the quote:

Dragon Age 2 thrusts players into the role of Hawke, a penniless
refugee who rises to power to become the single most important
character in the world of Dragon Age. Known to be a survivor of the
Blight and the Champion of Kirkwall, the legend around Hawke’s rise to
power is shrouded in myth and rumor. Featuring an all-new story spanning
10 years, players will help tell that tale by making tough moral
choices, gathering the deadliest of allies, amassing fame and fortune,
and sealing their place in history. The way you play will write the
story of how the world is changed forever.

Also, people are wierd, it's not because BioWare haven't released background information during a time period and area that nothing ever happened during that time period at that place. The game doesn't happen in Ferelden anyway, lots of things can happen far away that never reach you or that aren't important to you.

Modifié par azarhal, 09 juillet 2010 - 12:46 .

[Vengeful Nature]

Nah. It's entirely possible that he's a Fifth Blight survivor. He escapes from Fereldan by boat or by Deep Road over/under the sea to Kirkwall (check out the map in Keithhy's sig), where he does something heroic.

[joriandrake]

wikkedjoker wrote...

For people that don't want to read everything to get to this at the end.

In short using clues form DAO I believe that DAO 2 will take place before DAO, During or at the end of the Third Blight.

actually I also believed that if we don't play close after the 4th blight thenthe time has to be that of the 3rd blight, it is mentioned here and there again and again in DA1

[Desyndra]

First:

- If it were the Third Blight, it would not be the Dragon Age. Remember, the franchise is called "Dragon Age" and not "The Tales of Thedas".

Second:

This is what threw me for the longest time, in DAO the Blight
never
reaches past Denerim, let alone to the Waking Sea

This is not entirely true. Quoted from the ending screens of DA:O:

"Although the horde was routed and had dissolved upon the archdemon's death, many of the more powerful darkspawn survived to organize roving war bands that preyed both upon the land and upon each other. These war bands spread havoc, and some even journeyed west into Orlais, or crossed the Shining Sea by the Deep Roads."

The Shining Sea in this sentence probably means the Waking Sea that separates the Free Marches from Ferelden (see David Gaider's comments here: http://social.biowar.../index/332348/6).

So I will not be surprised if we learn that a roving band of darkspawn - a remnant of the Blight - devastated Hawke's home.

[wikkedjoker]

Okay to the most common complaint:

But the title says DRAGON AGE; Fair enough, but than again even if it doesn't take place during the age of the Dragon its still in the Dragon Age world. Dragon Age is the title that is synonymies with the franchise, if they would have put out a game called, something entirely different, but still taking place in the DAU than that would have been more confusing that a prequel.

And again that’s on the assumption that Dragon Age 2 is the working title, and not just a place holder, until they can tell more about the game.    


The next is why did we never read about this guy? Why hasn’t he been brought up?

We one it could be that he had not been created until the writers had written them selves into a corner, with the 40+ endings Dragon Age Origins.

But I digress; when you think about it, we really don’t know much about the world of Dragon Age. We know very little about  Ferelden as it is, I mean before King Merck. We know about the Darkspawn and there legend, but nothing more.

My guess is because this give the writers room to randomly create myths and legends. 

Modifié par wikkedjoker, 09 juillet 2010 - 12:52 .

[joriandrake]

Desyndra wrote...

First:

- If it were the Third Blight, it would not be the Dragon Age. Remember, the franchise is called "Dragon Age" and not "The Tales of Thedas".

that doesn't prove anything, Baldur's Gate 2 was not in the city of Baldur's Gate neither

[Lord_Saulot]

They wouldn't have used the title "Dragon Age" for the series (not just the game, the first game was specifically Dragon Age - Origins) unless they intended it to have some continued relevance. Its not like they weren't planning this before the other game came out, in all likelihood they were.



Finally, no it is not the Final Fantasy form of numbering, because those games don't even take place in the same world necessarilly. This is a game in a set world, which they put a lot of effort into designing even before the first game came out.

[SithLordExarKun]

Sorry but the devs made it clear in an earlier thread that this will be taking place in the dragon age. And if its a prequel why on earth do they call it a sequel?

[Lord_Saulot]

joriandrake wrote...

Desyndra wrote...

First:

- If it were the Third Blight, it would not be the Dragon Age. Remember, the franchise is called "Dragon Age" and not "The Tales of Thedas".

that doesn't prove anything, Baldur's Gate 2 was not in the city of Baldur's Gate neither

It continued the story of Baldur's Gate.

Continuing the story of Dragon Age-Origins would suggest it was the Fifth Blight from Origins.

That still doesn't help any other argument.

(and places and time frames aren't analogous in any case)

[joriandrake]

the name may imply simply that its in the same world of the same franchise





said that, I still prefer a game that connects to DA1, and hopefully allows our savefile to be used