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[Ecael]

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

BlackyBlack wrote...
You were saying ?

Mass Effect sold more than Mass Effect 2, and it's unlikely ME2 will ever get near to close the gap. This despite the fact that EA made an enormous marketing effort to push the sequel.

You were saying?

Also, Microsoft pushed BioWare to release right before holiday season, while EA let BioWare release during one of the worst times of the year to sell video games.

You still haven't told me who the new king of RPGs is.

That chart says Xbox 360 sales only. I'd like to see others like perhaps the PC sales or the overall sale figures.

Then find them. The burden of proof isn't on me, since I just showed numbers that can be accurately compared.

Modifié par Ecael, 09 juillet 2010 - 01:46 .

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Ecael wrote...

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

BlackyBlack wrote...
You were saying ?

Mass Effect sold more than Mass Effect 2, and it's unlikely ME2 will ever get near to close the gap. This despite the fact that EA made an enormous marketing effort to push the sequel.

You were saying?

Also, Microsoft pushed BioWare to release right before holiday season, while EA let BioWare release during one of the worst times of the year to sell video games.

You still haven't told me who the new king of RPGs is.

That chart says Xbox 360 sales only. I'd like to see others like perhaps the PC sales or the overall sale figures.

Then find them. The burden of proof isn't on me, since I just showed numbers that can be accurately compared.

Showing only Xbox 360 sales is hardly evidence that Mass Effect 2 sold better. If you restrict it to only Xbox 360 sales then that doesn't prove that it sold better only that it sold better to people who play Xbox 360.

[Ecael]

TMZuk wrote...

I don't praise them, I pay them.

And they reward me with removing everything that made DA.O good, and keeping all that is bad. This bigass company is sliding down the slope of fast-paced console-games, and if that is what you want, fine. It is, however, not what I want, so how about you just voice your own opinion, and stop telling others not to voice theirs?

The irony of people who sound like they're entitled to everything after paying $60 for a game and then whining that all BioWare cares about is money.

Awesome.

[Ecael]

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

Ecael wrote...

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

BlackyBlack wrote...
You were saying ?

Mass Effect sold more than Mass Effect 2, and it's unlikely ME2 will ever get near to close the gap. This despite the fact that EA made an enormous marketing effort to push the sequel.

You were saying?

Also, Microsoft pushed BioWare to release right before holiday season, while EA let BioWare release during one of the worst times of the year to sell video games.

You still haven't told me who the new king of RPGs is.

That chart says Xbox 360 sales only. I'd like to see others like perhaps the PC sales or the overall sale figures.

Then find them. The burden of proof isn't on me, since I just showed numbers that can be accurately compared.

Showing only Xbox 360 sales is hardly evidence that Mass Effect 2 sold better. If you restrict it to only Xbox 360 sales then that doesn't prove that it sold better only that it sold better to people who play Xbox 360.

And speculation on what the numbers can possibly be is not evidence at all.

[Dick Delaware]

All this talk about sales is retarded. Who gives a damn, morons? As if the opinions of a bunch of shills at IGN and a successful marketing endeavor mean that a game will somehow suck. Bloodlines sold something like 70,000 copies initially - does that mean the game sucks? Beyond Good and Evil sold poorly as well, I guess that game's sh*t too.



Back to the OP. He's brown-nosing the devs and giving them far too much credit - yeah, Iiked DA:O and ME2, but it seems like he hasn't played any non-BioWare RPG's, though I could be wrong. Besides, this is a discussion forum, people are going to, you know, discuss things. Even if that discussion includes a lot of whining, this is the Internet, so that sort of thing is unavoidabe.

[dragon_83]

It's pointless to show diagrams about sales, since they do not show which is the better game. For example ME2 sold more than the oldschool Bioware RPGs, but they are far superior than ME2. The latter alse had massive marketing and hype, this leads to higher numbers. Plus ME was a new IP, whereas ME2 already had a solid fan base at the time of release.

Modifié par dragon_83, 09 juillet 2010 - 01:52 .

[Abriael_CG]

BlackyBlack wrote...

Ecael, as always, WIN !

Anyway, from what I've read ME1 sold 2.6 million in 6 months. ME2 sold 2 million in 1 week

AND didn't go over the 2.6 million.

The marketing push it had simply brought everyone that wanted it to buy it in the first few days. This is how big titles work nowdays.

Add to this the fact that when ME1 was released it was an unknown, while ME2 was the sequel of an established franchise, without mentioning the very simple fact that since the launch of ME the installed base of the Xbox 360 (and as such the potential buyers of the game) almost doubled. and you can see quite easily which game was more successful.

@Ecael: there are several candidates to the throne, I would say that commercially-wise at the moment the ones ahead of the crowd are CD projekt. What they shown with the witcher 2 so far will be VERY hard to top for anyone. Mind you, it's not random that they're going the opposite path as Bioware, working in increasing the customization (visual or not) options in their next game.

Evidently they do know what their fans want. The reactions to the reveal of Dragon Age 2 in this very forum seems to show that Bioware doesn't.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 09 juillet 2010 - 01:52 .

[BlackyBlack]

I still can't believe they're comparing a game that's been out for 3 years with a game that's been out for 6 months

[Abriael_CG]

BlackyBlack wrote...

I still can't believe they're comparing a game that's been out for 3 years with a game that's been out for 6 months

Just because it's proving you wrong? 

How droll.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 09 juillet 2010 - 01:54 .

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Ecael wrote...

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

Ecael wrote...

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

BlackyBlack wrote...
You were saying ?

Mass Effect sold more than Mass Effect 2, and it's unlikely ME2 will ever get near to close the gap. This despite the fact that EA made an enormous marketing effort to push the sequel.

You were saying?

Also, Microsoft pushed BioWare to release right before holiday season, while EA let BioWare release during one of the worst times of the year to sell video games.

You still haven't told me who the new king of RPGs is.

That chart says Xbox 360 sales only. I'd like to see others like perhaps the PC sales or the overall sale figures.

Then find them. The burden of proof isn't on me, since I just showed numbers that can be accurately compared.

Showing only Xbox 360 sales is hardly evidence that Mass Effect 2 sold better. If you restrict it to only Xbox 360 sales then that doesn't prove that it sold better only that it sold better to people who play Xbox 360.

And speculation on what the numbers can possibly be is not evidence at all.

But I'm not speculating or claiming any of those games sold better than the others. It's up to the person making those claims to provide accurate proof. Though personally I don't really care which sold best. I play games that I enjoy playing.

[BlackyBlack]

dragon_83 wrote...

It's pointless to show diagrams about sales

Agreed, I pointed out votes on major sites as well as poll on this one that people prefered ME2 over ME1

[Ecael]

Abriael_CG wrote...

@Ecael: there are several candidates to the throne, I would say that commercially-wise at the moment the ones ahead of the crowd are CD projekt. What they shown with the witcher 2 so far will be VERY hard to top for anyone. Mind you, it's not random that they're going the opposite path as Bioware, working in increasing the customization (visual or not) options in their next game.

http://www.giantbomb...witcher-2/2206/

"The Witcher 2 sports a much more action-focused combat system that tosses aside the need for stances. Sex is being promised as a much less trivial affair, the environments will be bigger, NPCs won't be so predictable, and the dialogue is being presented in a whole new, more Mass Effect-type of way.

Here's the forum for The Witcher 2 if you want to whine there too - don't worry, some people are way ahead of you though:

http://tw2.thewitche...p?topic=29201.0

Modifié par Ecael, 09 juillet 2010 - 01:53 .

[Mr-Ludluck]

Abriael_CG wrote...

BlackyBlack wrote...
You were saying ?

Mass Effect sold more than Mass Effect 2, and it's unlikely ME2 will ever get near to close the gap. This despite the fact that EA made an enormous marketing effort to push the sequel.

You were saying?

It seems like everyone else but you have to show statistics and data for their claims. Still, I beleve you, not that it matters. Saying that ME made more money than ME2, and therefore it's better, is meaningless. I mean, it's like saying that because Ice Age made more money than the first LotR movie, it's better. Whether something sells or not depends upon a hell lot of factors. Like, how it's marketed, when it's released, etc.

The actual quality of the game, or movie for that matter, is but one of the minor selling points.

[BlackyBlack]

Abriael_CG wrote...

BlackyBlack wrote...

I still can't believe they're comparing a game that's been out for 3 years with a game that's been out for 6 months

Just because it's proving you wrong? 

How droll.

Wrong? Ecael proved YOU wrong. I proved you wrong with votes on major sites as well as polls on this one

YOU HAVE FAILED. YOU MUST FIND ANOTHER WAY

You just don't want to admit defeat, just like all the arrogant ME2 haters

[Ecael]

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

But I'm not speculating or claiming any of those games sold better than the others. It's up to the person making those claims to provide accurate proof. Though personally I don't really care which sold best. I play games that I enjoy playing.

That's quite reasonable, actually.

[Master Shiori]

Xathras1337 wrote...

How about it?
This is a bigass company that has made countless of godlike games, and once again proved that they are the kings of RPG with the recent DA:O and ME2.

They are gods that make awesome games, and they know what they are doing. We should be thankful for them making such awesome games, not whining over all the things that you expected to see, and prejudging the game like it has already been released. No, we should be happy that they are making another (most likely) awesome game, and we should praise them for it.

That's all.

Does all that ass kissing work for you?

Or maybe you'd like to try posting constructive criticism instead?

[Abriael_CG]

Ecael wrote...

"The Witcher 2 sports a much more action-focused combat system that tosses aside the need for stances. Sex is being promised as a much less trivial affair, the environments will be bigger, NPCs won't be so predictable, and the dialogue is being presented in a whole new, more Mass Effect-type of way.

Here's the forum for The Witcher 2 if you want to whine there too - don't worry, some people are way ahead of you though:

http://tw2.thewitche...p?topic=29201.0

You seem to think that action is a problem. I'll let you in a secret, it isn't, as long as options and customization is still provided. That's what makes an RPG into an RPG. 

The problem with ME2 is that they removed options and customization, and that's the major problem people are fining in this Dragon Age reveal as well.

IIncidentally, they're increasing the customization options tenfolds.

Anyway, I'm off to buy Drakensang 2. i'll get my hardcore RPG fix there
for now, since Bioware doesn't seem too keen on providing that kind of
experience anymore.

[Lord_Saulot]

Its irrational to complain about a game without substantial information.  Sadly, that is most of the current talk on DA2.

Modifié par Lord_Saulot, 09 juillet 2010 - 01:59 .

[Lintanis]

BlackyBlack wrote...

Abriael_CG wrote...

BlackyBlack wrote...

I still can't believe they're comparing a game that's been out for 3 years with a game that's been out for 6 months

Just because it's proving you wrong? 

How droll.

Wrong? Ecael proved YOU wrong. I proved you wrong with votes on major sites as well as polls on this one

YOU HAVE FAILED. YOU MUST FIND ANOTHER WAY

You just don't want to admit defeat, just like all the arrogant ME2 haters

I wouldnt let Abriael_CG get you going too much mate, he has been moaning all over the dragon age forums 

[Abriael_CG]

BlackyBlack wrote...
Wrong? Ecael proved YOU wrong. I proved you wrong with votes on major sites as well as polls on this one

YOU HAVE FAILED. YOU MUST FIND ANOTHER WAY

You just don't want to admit defeat, just like all the arrogant ME2 haters

wow, being proved wrong bends you out of shape quite hard, i'd say. You might want to chill mate.

Ecael didn't disprove at all that ME sold more than ME2 despite being released in a period in which the installed base was much lower, with much less marketing and being the first game of a new franchise.

Mind you, even if you theorize a similar sales curve, given that the launch conditions for Mass Effect 1 were MUCH harsher than those of Mass Effect 2 (half the installed base, less marketing, first game of an unknown franchise, more crowded launch period) it's quite obvious which one of the two games has been more successful.

If you think that some random polls done without any kind of method  (you don't even know if the voters actually played both or any of the two games) hold any statistical relevance, you're quite delusive.

Bottomline, you have absolutely no data to say that the ones that prefer core RPG elements in Bioware games are a "Vocal minority". It's a baseless assumption of yours, based on your own personal tastes and nothing else, and the reaction to the reveal of DA2 is just another nail in the coffin of your theory.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 09 juillet 2010 - 02:16 .

[Kohaku]

Abriael_CG wrote...

You seem to think that action is a problem. I'll let you in a secret, it isn't, as long as options and customization is still provided. That's what makes an RPG into an RPG. 

The problem with ME2 is that they removed options and customization, and that's the major problem people are fining in this Dragon Age reveal as well.

IIncidentally, they're increasing the customization options tenfolds.

Anyway, I'm off to buy Drakensang 2. i'll get my hardcore RPG fix there
for now, since Bioware doesn't seem too keen on providing that kind of
experience anymore.

Hell. If you can wait a few days I can send you my copy. It wasn't what I was expecting at all.

[Abriael_CG]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...
Hell. If you can wait a few days I can send you my copy. It wasn't what I was expecting at all.

Nah thanks for the offer, for 20 euros i can take the risk. If it's anything like the first I can say it'll be at the very least worth the price.

[jableskage]

Xathras1337 wrote...

How about it?
This is a bigass company that has made countless of godlike games, and once again proved that they are the kings of RPG with the recent DA:O and ME2.

They are gods that make awesome games, and they know what they are doing. We should be thankful for them making such awesome games, not whining over all the things that you expected to see, and prejudging the game like it has already been released. No, we should be happy that they are making another (most likely) awesome game, and we should praise them for it.

That's all.

how about you stfu and let people voice their opinions?

[BallaZs]

I agree with both sides..

People has their own right to complain, or state the facts.

But I'm really thankful to BioWare for DA:O, it is the best game I've ever played, so keep up the good work, and listen to the fans!

[Ecael]

EDIT: Double post, thread frame broken.

Modifié par Ecael, 09 juillet 2010 - 02:17 .