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[jlb524]

Barquiel wrote...

my Shep loved Liara/had a relationship with her...Shep is unconscious (2 years)...Shep wakes up
Why should he/she feel different now?

Yeah, for Shepard, the time that's passed has only been the equivalent to one wild and rough drunken night, including the horrible hangover.

[Nightwriter]

Barquiel wrote...

Graz73 wrote...

 I guess a lot of the roll playing stuff can take place in our minds, but from the context presented in the game, it seems like staying "loyal" to the ME1 choices comes off like Shepard is just pining for his past relationship, living in the past. Not like someone who is staying true to a long distance love.

my Shep loved Liara/had a relationship with her...Shep is unconscious (2 years)...Shep wakes up
Why should he/she feel different now?

Because as soon as you wake up the sense that time has passed is enormous. The evidence is all around you.

And that's negating the fact that even though it hasn't been two years for Shepard it's been two years for the player, and the PC is victim to spillover feelings from the player.

[lovgreno]

I think they made the LIs from ME1 acting weird so we wouldnt be ashamed to go for the new LIs. And also because it would be complicated to put them back into the crew.

[Nerevar-as]

Liara because she is the reason you are alive and what she went through to that is the reason she is like that. Would be fun having the ME2 LI asking Shepard if s/he would ditch them if something affected them so much instead of helping.

Ash/Kaidan: you are asking them to go AWOL to join a terrorist group, what answer did you want?

Both are written very forced to have you move, which is another reason not to cheat. If they really wanted they should have done it well or not done it at all.

[Barquiel]

Nightwriter wrote...

Because as soon as you wake up the sense that time has passed is enormous. The evidence is all around you.

And that's negating the fact that even though it hasn't been two years for Shepard it's been two years for the player, and the PC is victim to spillover feelings from the player.

Shep is rather shocked that she missed 2 years...as J said, "one wild and rough drunken night"
Sheps feelings don't change overnight

I finished my "canon" ME1 playthrough some weeks before ME2 was released, no problem here.

Modifié par Barquiel, 09 juillet 2010 - 04:03 .

[Nightwriter]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Liara because she is the reason you are alive and what she went through to that is the reason she is like that. Would be fun having the ME2 LI asking Shepard if s/he would ditch them if something affected them so much instead of helping.
Ash/Kaidan: you are asking them to go AWOL to join a terrorist group, what answer did you want?
Both are written very forced to have you move, which is another reason not to cheat. If they really wanted they should have done it well or not done it at all.

But that feels like you're saying you should stay with Liara out of a sense of indebtedness. AKA, "guilt". And that's icky.

What did I want from Ash/Kaidan? Well, I wanted them to at least give me a chance to explain myself. Which they didn't. And I wanted them to not be angry at me for not calling them while I was dead.

[Graz73]

Nightwriter wrote...

Because as soon as you wake up the sense that time has passed is enormous. The evidence is all around you.

And that's negating the fact that even though it hasn't been two years for Shepard it's been two years for the player, and the PC is victim to spillover feelings from the player.

This could be a big factor that I overlooked.  I played ME1 and ME2 back to back. There was no two year gap for me in real life.  Many players had two real years to think about Ash, Liara & Kaiden.  This sort of gave those players a much longer relationship w their LI than Shephard had.   How long did Shephard get to date his ME1 LI between the Soverign mission and the destruction of the first Normandy?  A couple months?

[Nightwriter]

They really don't tell you how much time passed in the interval. Wish they did. Wish they'd let you break up with your ME1 LI, too. Why, BioWare? Why not let me break up with them?

[Christmas Ape]

Nightwriter wrote...

They really don't tell you how much time passed in the interval. Wish they did. Wish they'd let you break up with your ME1 LI, too. Why, BioWare? Why not let me break up with them?

Wait, wha? Which interval? Between the end of ME1 and the start of ME2? Two months. Says so in the intro.

[jlb524]

I thought it was only one month. I imagine many wonderful nights were spent with the ME1 LI in that interval.

[UpDownLeftRight]

Nightwriter wrote...

UpDownLeftRight wrote...

*walks in*

Oooh! Flame war!

*sits down*

*starts picking his nose*

Rofl.

You did it! You actually came and started picking your nose!

I didn't believe you.

Haha. Of course I did! I don't  break promises! And my nose needed picking... Seriously...it did... I need to wash my hands... Shame on you for making me do it!

[Christmas Ape]

jlb524 wrote...

I thought it was only one month. I imagine many wonderful nights were spent with the ME1 LI in that interval.

Whole thing starts with "Two months after the Battle of the Citadel, [...]" and then bam! The Normandy is burning in space.
Assuming the events of the first game took a (generously awarded) month, it's a three month relationship on board an active duty warship.

[Nightwriter]

I simply remember one night of sex followed by the destruction of the Normandy.

I saw no evidence of any months-long relationship. I'll take my 19 or so additional sex scenes, thank you, and then maybe I'll change my stance.

[Christmas Ape]

Nightwriter wrote...

I simply remember one night of sex followed by the destruction of the Normandy.

I saw no evidence of any months-long relationship. I'll take my 19 or so additional sex scenes, thank you, and then maybe I'll change my stance.

Side boob.
The real issue in all ME/ME2 arguments.

[HBC Dresden]

How do people think the events of Mass Effect 1 and 2 happened over a short period of time? I've heard anywhere from a week to a month. FTL travel in the game is instance, but in the story, it takes days or weeks. So if one trip to a planet or system takes this long, ME1 and 2 must have happened over months. Time was of the essence, but not everything is about to hit the fan at once. For example, in ME1, if you were doing one main mission like Feros, during this period of time in the story, Saren was doing some stuff at Noveria that would set up your encounter when you got there.

[Barquiel]

Nightwriter wrote...

I simply remember one night of sex followed by the destruction of the Normandy.

I saw no evidence of any months-long relationship. I'll take my 19 or so additional sex scenes, thank you, and then maybe I'll change my stance.

Well, I am quite sure that Shep and Liara (Ash/kaidan) didn't break up after Sovereign...
They had 1-2 months to deepen their relationship.

[Clover Rider]

Christmas Ape wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I simply remember one night of sex followed by the destruction of the Normandy.

I saw no evidence of any months-long relationship. I'll take my 19 or so additional sex scenes, thank you, and then maybe I'll change my stance.

Side boob.
The real issue in all ME/ME2 arguments.

Wow and now I know.

[Nightwriter]

Barquiel wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I simply remember one night of sex followed by the destruction of the Normandy.

I saw no evidence of any months-long relationship. I'll take my 19 or so additional sex scenes, thank you, and then maybe I'll change my stance.

Well, I am quite sure that Shep and Liara (Ash/kaidan) didn't break up after Sovereign...
They had 1-2 months to deepen their relationship.

Oh, really? Maybe in your head.

But in the game, Ash/Kaidan are quite cold, and Liara doesn't even talk to you about it. It's not addressed at all.

Some deep relationship.

EVIDENCE. I must have it. Off-screen development isn't development at all. If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it... did you bang it for 2 months?

Modifié par Nightwriter, 09 juillet 2010 - 04:45 .

[homestyle]

The writing in ME2 was so predicatable its pathetic.



1. Don't get me started on the loyalty missions and how they were so predictable.



2. Its obivous there's going to be a showdown in ME3 between the LI. They "force" you to not be able to go back to your former LI and then force you on the other females on the ship.

[Barquiel]

Nightwriter wrote...

Oh, really? Maybe in your head.

good enough

Do you think they break up after Sovereign? There is no evidence.
Liara still cares about Shepard (Normandy destruction scene, comics, Illium..."I gave it to them. I gave YOU to them")

I admit, Shep is on Illium, but the "picture scene" was touching.

[jlb524]

Nightwriter wrote...

I simply remember one night of sex followed by the destruction of the Normandy.

I saw no evidence of any months-long relationship. I'll take my 19 or so additional sex scenes, thank you, and then maybe I'll change my stance.

Use your imagination.

It's not like they broke up in those 2 months.  The LI rushes to Shepard's side as the Normandy is going down in flames.

What the heck do you think happened between them in those 2 months?  It gets real cold and lonely at night on a starship...

[jlb524]

Nightwriter wrote...

But in the game, Ash/Kaidan are quite cold, and Liara doesn't even talk to you about it. It's not addressed at all.

Some deep relationship.

EVIDENCE. I must have it. Off-screen development isn't development at all. If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it... did you bang it for 2 months?

It's been 2 years for them, a few weeks for Shepard.  You come back from the dead and are now a terrorist...give them a break.

[Ieldra]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

But in the game, Ash/Kaidan are quite cold, and Liara doesn't even talk to you about it. It's not addressed at all.

Some deep relationship.

EVIDENCE. I must have it. Off-screen development isn't development at all. If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it... did you bang it for 2 months?

It's been 2 years for them, a few weeks for Shepard.  You come back from the dead and are now a terrorist...give them a break.

Yeah, I'll do that....if they give me a chance to explain. Which they don't. Case closed. Kaidan has some serious explaining to do if he wants Rhea Shepard back. Lucky for him that the male ME2 LIs aren't that appealing.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 09 juillet 2010 - 05:16 .

[Nightwriter]

jlb524 wrote...

Use your imagination.

It's not like they broke up in those 2 months.  The LI rushes to Shepard's side as the Normandy is going down in flames.

What the heck do you think happened between them in those 2 months?  It gets real cold and lonely at night on a starship...

I don't know what happened because I didn't see it. I want to see it. I want them to talk about it. Why don't they talk about it?

"Hey, Shepard, you're back from the dead! That reminds me of that time a week into the geth assignment when we made love so hard in the elevator that you passed out and I thought you'd died and was about to call Chakwas."

YES. TELL ME ABOUT THIS.

jlb524 wrote...

It's been 2 years for them, a few weeks for Shepard.  You come back from
the dead and are now a terrorist...give them a break.

I don't blame them. I just don't think it's fair to say there are no reasons to cheat or stay faithful either way.