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[Graz73]

OK, so even if it was a passionate 2 - 3 month relationship, it's not necessarily that big of a deal two years later.



It's interesting to see how most people seem to think that Liara was the most committed.



I'm not sure why Ashley/Kaiden would hate Cerberus any more than Garrus, Tali, Wrex or Liara. They are humans? Other team members got over it...



I ended ME1 w Liara and ended ME2 with Tali. I am really curious to see what happens for a LI in ME3

[jlb524]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yeah, I'll do that....if they give me a chance to explain. Which they don't. Case closed. Kaidan has some serious explaining to do if he wants Rhea Shepard back. Lucky for him that the male ME2 LIs aren't that appealing.

The email didn't help much, I take it?

[jlb524]

Nightwriter wrote...

I don't know what happened because I didn't see it. I want to see it. I want them to talk about it. Why don't they talk about it?

"Hey, Shepard, you're back from the dead! That reminds me of that time a week into the geth assignment when we made love so hard in the elevator that you passed out and I thought you'd died and was about to call Chakwas."

YES. TELL ME ABOUT THIS.

Not all Shepard's are the type to get it on in an elevator...they can't canonize something like that!

I'd prefer to come up with my own tales of love making, thank you very much.

[Christmas Ape]

Graz73 wrote...

It's interesting to see how most people seem to think that Liara was the most committed.

Well, she makes a big deal about how intimate the joining actually is.



Oh. And she almost died retrieving your corpse for Cerberus on the promise of them bringing you back, and is possessed with revenge for the entity she had to take it from?

[Barquiel]

Nightwriter wrote...

"Hey, Shepard, you're back from the dead! That reminds me of that time a week into the geth assignment when we made love so hard in the elevator that you passed out and I thought you'd died and was about to call Chakwas."

Miranda and Mordin (and Nyxeris) were listening!

Shepad is shy 

[Graz73]

I would have totally stuck w Liara if that had been a decently interesting option in game.

But I figure SHE blew it with her obsession about finding the shadowbroker. My Shepard figures, "How can she get caught up worrying about a low level threat like the shadow broker, when she knows first hand that THE FATE OF THE GALAXY lies in our defeating the Reapers?"

Modifié par Graz73, 09 juillet 2010 - 05:28 .

[hawat333]

Because: why not?



Hey, I did cheat on my ME1 romance, with Jack, in fact.

I just don't see why you ask the question in the first place.

[Nightwriter]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I don't know what happened because I didn't see it. I want to see it. I want them to talk about it. Why don't they talk about it?

"Hey, Shepard, you're back from the dead! That reminds me of that time a week into the geth assignment when we made love so hard in the elevator that you passed out and I thought you'd died and was about to call Chakwas."

YES. TELL ME ABOUT THIS.

Not all Shepard's are the type to get it on in an elevator...they can't canonize something like that!

I'd prefer to come up with my own tales of love making, thank you very much.

You know what I mean. I was obviously just exxaggerating, what I mean is that there needs to be some kind of reference, however vague.

If the 2 month time interval is going to play a factor in this then they need to mention it and show us that it actually happened. They hop across it and don't mention it ever.

Someone interested in staying faithful will choose to fill in that blank, and someone interested in moving on will choose to leave it blank unless the game fills it in. It's interpretive.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Graz73 wrote...

OK, so even if it was a passionate 2 - 3 month relationship, it's not necessarily that big of a deal two years later.

Little known fact: It wasn´t 2 years for Shepard.

[Barquiel]

Graz73 wrote...

I would have totally stuck w Liara if that had been a decently interesting option in game.

But I figure SHE blew it with her obsession about finding the shadowbroker. My Shepard figures, "How can she get caught up worrying about a low level threat like the shadow broker, when she knows first hand that THE FATE OF THE GALAXY lies in our defeating the Reapers?"

Liara has her own agenda in ME2, that's a good thing imo. She is more an equal partner to Shepard.
But I think a better explanation would be great (for example, SB is a reaper agent...seeking to play the various organic races against one another), that is true.

Modifié par Barquiel, 09 juillet 2010 - 05:40 .

[Nightwriter]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Little known fact: It wasn´t 2 years for Shepard.

So what?

It doesn't mean 2 years hasn't passed or that it would be unfair for Shepard to reconsider things because of it. My Shepard is considerate enough to think of their old LI and that 2 years has gone by for them even if it hasn't for Shepard.

ME2 was a whole new experience, you go on a new journey against huge odds to save lives, and no matter what people might say, your old LI is simply not with you on that journey. Ashley and Kaidan turn away from you, and Liara refuses. Maybe I'm a jerk, but this simply makes me feel like there is a huge distance between me and my old LI now. I've now gone through this whole journey without them.

[jlb524]

Nightwriter wrote...

Someone interested in staying faithful will choose to fill in that blank, and someone interested in moving on will choose to leave it blank unless the game fills it in. It's interpretive.

Yeah, they leave it vague so you can interpret it how you like....everyone should be happy.

I don't expect big consequences for those that had 2 LIs either.

[Ieldra]

jlb524 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yeah, I'll do that....if they give me a chance to explain. Which they don't. Case closed. Kaidan has some serious explaining to do if he wants Rhea Shepard back. Lucky for him that the male ME2 LIs aren't that appealing.

The email didn't help much, I take it?

It did help - if not for that email, there would be no hope for a reconciliation at all. I find it easier to forgive Ashley - she's always been a hothead - but I like Kaidan because he keeps a cool head and doesn't make fast judgments. Usually. Rhea Shepard expected better of him.

[jlb524]

Ieldra2 wrote...

It did help - if not for that email, there would be no hope for a reconciliation at all. I find it easier to forgive Ashley - she's always been a hothead - but I like Kaidan because he keeps a cool head and doesn't make fast judgments. Usually. Rhea Shepard expected better of him.

It's just unfortunate that Ash and Kaidan pretty much had the exact same lines and their individual personalities weren't really taken into account.  Like you said, it does fit better with Ashley, though.  It's like they almost gave Kaidan Ash's personality.  They probably just wrote it for Ash and then said, 'Aw, screw it!  It will work for Kaidan too!'

[Nerevar-as]

Nightwriter wrote...

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Little known fact: It wasn´t 2 years for Shepard.

So what?

It doesn't mean 2 years hasn't passed or that it would be unfair for Shepard to reconsider things because of it. My Shepard is considerate enough to think of their old LI and that 2 years has gone by for them even if it hasn't for Shepard.

ME2 was a whole new experience, you go on a new journey against huge odds to save lives, and no matter what people might say, your old LI is simply not with you on that journey. Ashley and Kaidan turn away from you, and Liara refuses. Maybe I'm a jerk, but this simply makes me feel like there is a huge distance between me and my old LI now. I've now gone through this whole journey without them.

Yes, you are a jerk;). Put yourself in their place. And if you feel that distance, you choose to go to anyone new than learn why that distance is there? You can´t in ME2, but maybe in ME3. I´m not holdong my breath, though, writing was bad here.
ME1 was NOT a one night stand. Don´t talk about number of sexscenes, just listen to conversations instead of skipping them. It is clear they are falling in love, and Shepard too (unless you think of his options as saying what they want to hear to bed them). Bond and Kirk seem to be getting old fashoioned now, and about time.

[jlb524]

Nerevar-as wrote...

ME1 was NOT a one night stand. Don´t talk about number of sexscenes, just listen to conversations instead of skipping them. It is clear they are falling in love, and Shepard too (unless you think of his options as saying what they want to hear to bed them). Bond and Kirk seem to be getting old fashoioned now, and about time.

Some still cling desperately to their Kirking ways! 

Hell, Ashley and Kaidan both tell you that they 'loved you' on Horizon...they definitely saw the whole situation as more than a pre-Ilos booty call.

The bottom line is, Ash/Kaidan/Liara all love Shepard dearly (if romanced).  Shepard can choose to return this love or not.  If you have decided to move on, it will hurt each of them dearly.

[Ieldra]

jlb524 wrote...
The bottom line is, Ash/Kaidan/Liara all love Shepard dearly (if romanced).  Shepard can choose to return this love or not.  If you have decided to move on, it will hurt each of them dearly.

Yes. But people still do it. In RL and in ME. You can move on or stick to your old love, only don't tell me moving on is "cheating".

[Graz73]

Even if they loved one another dearly, they may have still moved on 2 years later.

[jlb524]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yes. But people still do it. In RL and in ME. You can move on or stick to your old love, only don't tell me moving on is "cheating".

Well, yeah, it's not really 'cheating' by the strict definition of the word...people have taken to calling it that for some reason.

[Kaiser Shepard]

It has been as long for Shepard as it has been for the player: note how the two years having passed between both games pretty much mirrors the games' release dates in our world.

[Nerevar-as]

mashavasilec wrote...

I believe we have to thank CHud for"cheating". I think he called it that in some pre-game interview. Or i may be wrong

He did. He claimed it was because how interesting the new LIs were. Didn´t mention how badly written the old were. His own kind of cheating.<_<

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm actually curious to see what this might result in in ME3. Casey Hudson said more than once that there WILL be consequences if a player who has an ME1 romance chooses to go with one of the ME2 romance subplots. Nevertheless, I'm working on a playthrough where I'm staying true to Ashley. My female Shepard, on the other hand, has completely moved on and is sticking with Thane.

[jlb524]

mashavasilec wrote...

I believe we have to thank CHud for"cheating". I think he called it that in some pre-game interview. Or i may be wrong

I think so, and people (including myself) got it into their minds that Shepard would have to make a decision regarding the ME1 LIs in ME2 at some point.  Thus, Shep could 'cheat' by leading the ME1 LI on while also pursuing a new LI.  Or, Shep could turn down the old LI and just pursue a new one...or, of course, affirm their love for the old LI while also staying faithful.  This was most definitely not the case, however.