Nerevar-as wrote...
On topic, the only problem I have with Ash is her speciesm, unlike her hate for politicians, it is not justified,
I actually think it's quite justified for a number of reasons, first of all she hasn't ever served with aliens before so she is unfamiliar with them and all she has to go on really is the history between humans and aliens which of course included the First Contact War. Plus of course the main reason is the whole debacle about how her family name was put into the dirt because of her grandfather being the first, and only, human to surender to an alien race. That's sort of where the trust issues are based I think.
That said, she isn't a speciest. Note how on Virmire she had no problem talking to Kirrahe and even went as far as to volunteer to work with him and in fact gets along quite well with the salarians. She also clearly had limits, showing anger and disdain towards the Terra Firma party who she believes takes it waaaay too far. She also compliments Tali in elevator conversations and expresses hope that people can change their views of the Quarians after what Tali's done to help. She strikes me more as a person with trust issues based on past injustices than she does as a 'speciest'. Someone who is confused and angry and distrustful but not filled with hate either.
the dog example she makes is horrible,
All she was doing was explaining why the council would consider humanity as less important simply because they aren't a member of one of their own species. In this example the 'dog' represents humanity, the 'bear' represents Saren and whoever sicked the dog on the bear and ran was the Council. She was saying that the same logic applied in that situation could be used, if the Council were desperate enough, on the Normandy's crew because even if they liked them a whole lot they still weren't members of their (council's) own species.
I'll admit it's a little pessimistic but it is true, members of one's own people are typically viewed with higher regard than those of a different people.
and her line of reasoning ignores aliens are also aliens between themselves.
I think for the most part her distrust is based on the Council races, all of whom are allied perfectly at this point but admittedly I do see your point.
So I go to Liara, but save her at Virmire because all her family has taken.
That's good I suppose, at least you don't scream that she's a 'racist' and deserves death. Although just as a closing statement I will point out that if you pursue the right dialouge with her, I am unsure if this is only for romances, you can get her to completely turn her views around and she'll become more trusting of aliens in general. To the point where she refers to Shepard as 'Mr. Negativity' when he expresses his disbelief that the Council didn't listen, telling him that he 'taught her to trust the Council' and that he 'can't back out now'.
So yeah if you ask me while she may have had trust issues, she was never a speciest and she can move on past those trust issues if you say the right thing.
By the way, hope I didn't come across as offensive in anyway, wasn't my intention.
EDIT: Incidently if you want to reply, probably better to send me a PM or something, because otherwise we'd be getting a little off topic.
Modifié par V-rex, 12 juillet 2010 - 01:52 .
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