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[Graz73]

I think its interesting how many of you seem to be saying that there should have just been a dialogue option to "break up" w the ME1 LI. Makes sense to me.

I have not played the FemShep romances, so i wont comment on them, except to say that I almost thought it was a joke when I first found out that Garruss was an option. He's a great character... but he is so alien?! How does a girl kiss a guy w no lips and armored skin?

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I started ME1 intending to romance Ash, but when she started getting all preachy about her anti-alien stuff (you can defend her all you wan,t but that is how it seemed to me) it turned me off.

Then, she shot Wrex. That REALLY pissed me off. I was trying to talk him down and find a reasonable resolution and then BAM!

So, at that point I REALLY didnt want to be with her. I spent the rest of ME1 w Liara. She was a nice girl and she and Shepard grew close in a tense potentially life ending situation.

But, during ME2, I didnt really think Liara was interested in maintaining relationship because of her shadowbroker hunt. She still cares about Shepard, but her Asari view of love and commitment is different than the usual human rules. She didnt seem to be saying "I cant wait to be in your arms again, my love"...

So, I started Chatting up Miranda. She is a great character, but the more I got to know her, she seemed sort of "High Maintenance" with all of her issues around her own perfection. She's more of a stickler for the rules and has to have things her way.

So, after Jack's loyalty mission, there is the argument between Jack & Miranda. I sided with Jack, and thought it was pretty immature for Miranda to hold that against me and break off our romance.

Then I chatted up Jack. She was a great character to get to know, and it was interesting that the eventual "sex" scene was more about hugging and crying with running eyeshadow.
She reminds me of a girl i used to date IRL (who was nothing but trouble)

After the Omega 4 mission though, Jack went back to her default dialogue option of not wanting to talk to me!? That frustrated Shepard, so he broke it off. (I probably would have tried harder to maintain this relationship if there had been any options)

Then I had a brief fling w Kelly. I guess she is just supposed to be a glorified secretary who finds everyone sexy? That whole thing was weird, but I liked the way I could flirt with her and ask her to dinner earlier in the game. Why couldnt I do those things with the main LI? It would have made sense to invite them all to dinner, you know?

Anyway, I ended up with Tali. I look forward to seeing where that goes in ME3.

Modifié par Graz73, 12 juillet 2010 - 02:14 .

[Nightwriter]

Lol. You're looking for maturity when you side with the opposite party? In every confrontation, if you side with the other person, they are not mature about it.

[tvih]

 I was really looking forward to finding Ashley and hooking up with her as soon as possible in ME2 (I wasn't aware yet that she's not available as a squaddie in this game). So I finally find her on Horizon... and she goes all crazy. I was literally quite "WTF?" at that point.


Basically, she lets her hate for Cerberus among other things to take precedence over the seriousness of the situation and Shepard's - demonstrably good - judgement and intentions. Without so much as giving Shep a chance despite him just having saved her life once again. It actually reminded me a lot of a few conversations with a former (former because of said conversations) real life friend, except no lives were at stake in that case Anyway, gone for two years and the first thing I do is trying to find Ashley and then when I do I save her, and she pulls that crap on me. Sheesh.


And Tali, then. She's sweet, and despite her hate for Cerberus she overcomes that due to her loyalty for Shepard. She's there when Shep needs her, unlike Ashley. And I must admit, I was curious if I'd get to see her face Hehe.
So, as much as the idea of staying loyal to Ashley was in my heart (so to speak), her actions were such a big letdown. I am thinking of making a separate save where I did stay loyal, but I don't know if it's worth it. I tend to play my characters based on how I think I'd act if I was really in that situation, and I can say that getting punched in the gut like that by her would've earned her no fondness from me, email apology or no. I saw the "romance" video if you stay loyal to her, and while it was touching, her actions just sour it up so bad.

Oh well. Time will tell. Plenty to go 'til ME3 comes around, so plenty of time to play with different relationship options if I choose to (or, could just edit savegames I guess!).

Modifié par tvih, 12 juillet 2010 - 06:02 .

[Alamar2078]

It's easy for Shep to be loyal ... for him it's only been a few days / weeks / whatever .... IF he was in love it's perfectly reasonable to abstain from other relationships until he moves on.

[Alamar2078]

tvih wrote...

 I was really looking forward to finding Ashley and hooking up with her as soon as possible in ME2 (I wasn't aware yet that she's not available as a squaddie in this game). So I finally find her on Horizon... and she goes all crazy. I was literally quite "WTF?" at that point.


Basically, she lets her hate for Cerberus among other things to take precedence over the seriousness of the situation and Shepard's - demonstrably good - judgement and intentions. Without so much as giving Shep a chance despite him just having saved her life once again. It actually reminded me a lot of a few conversations with a former (former because of said conversations) real life friend, except no lives were at stake in that case Anyway, gone for two years and the first thing I do is trying to find Ashley and then when I do I save her, and she pulls that crap on me. Sheesh.


And Tali, then. She's sweet, and despite her hate for Cerberus she overcomes that due to her loyalty for Shepard. She's there when Shep needs her, unlike Ashley. And I must admit, I was curious if I'd get to see her face Hehe.
So, as much as the idea of staying loyal to Ashley was in my heart (so to speak), her actions were such a big letdown. I am thinking of making a separate save where I did stay loyal, but I don't know if it's worth it. I tend to play my characters based on how I think I'd act if I was really in that situation, and I can say that getting punched in the gut like that by her would've earned her no fondness from me, email apology or no. I saw the "romance" video if you stay loyal to her, and while it was touching, her actions just sour it up so bad.

Oh well. Time will tell. Plenty to go 'til ME3 comes around, so plenty of time to play with different relationship options if I choose to (or, could just edit savegames I guess!).

I had exactly the same reaction and made pretty much the same choices as you did.

The big thing is this is a game with different content in it.   You can have your favorite options but if you've got time to kill there's no reason not to experience everything the game has to offer.

[chester013]

I have only ever pursued a LI in ME2 for my male shep, the reasons being that the options for females never appealed (Garrus, seriously? He's cool and all but he's covered in bony plates) and I put myself in Sheps shoes on my male playthroughs.



Sure it's been 2 years, but to Shep his memories of Ashley are pretty fresh and she acts like an ****. So I boned Miranda who seemed to me a far more interesting person, I found Ashley a little flat.

[sagefic]

eh, *shrug*



you bring up a good point: players often allow THEIR motivations to become SHEPARD's motivations...



but why the hell not? it's their shep, who may be totally different from the one another person plays. and i think you'll actually find that a lot of people played multiple sheps who responded in different ways

[kraidy1117]

My Shepard moved on. I told Ash that I moved, told Joker I did and Kelly. I moved on, and now Joshua Shepard is in love with Miri.

[tvih]

Actually one thing I thought of that's sort of missing... when you have the potential to start a romance with someone in ME2, you can't gently turn them down by mentioning you're still sort of involved with Ashley (or Liara if that was your ME1 choice, or whatever you did as a female... well you get the point). I don't know about you folks, but the turn-down options always seem a bit harsh to me in ME2 (with Jack, for example). Didn't have the heart to try what Tali would say if I told her I'm no longer interested



Oh and by the way... Tali is literally risking getting sick and even in the worst case dying just to be with Shep. That's what I'd call dedication.

you bring up a good point: players often allow THEIR motivations to become SHEPARD's motivations...



but why the hell not? it's their shep, who may be totally different from the one another person plays. and i think you'll actually find that a lot of people played multiple sheps who responded in different ways

Exactly. It's our Shep. So whose motivations but ours would be use? I mean, technically the character doesn't have any preset motivations - we don't know what his personality etc would be without us. Of course one can choose to be different from what you'd normally do yourself, but that wouldn't make it any more truthful

[Raizo]

Alamar2078 wrote...

tvih wrote...

 I was really looking forward to finding Ashley and hooking up with her as soon as possible in ME2 (I wasn't aware yet that she's not available as a squaddie in this game). So I finally find her on Horizon... and she goes all crazy. I was literally quite "WTF?" at that point.


Basically, she lets her hate for Cerberus among other things to take precedence over the seriousness of the situation and Shepard's - demonstrably good - judgement and intentions. Without so much as giving Shep a chance despite him just having saved her life once again. It actually reminded me a lot of a few conversations with a former (former because of said conversations) real life friend, except no lives were at stake in that case Anyway, gone for two years and the first thing I do is trying to find Ashley and then when I do I save her, and she pulls that crap on me. Sheesh.


And Tali, then. She's sweet, and despite her hate for Cerberus she overcomes that due to her loyalty for Shepard. She's there when Shep needs her, unlike Ashley. And I must admit, I was curious if I'd get to see her face Hehe.
So, as much as the idea of staying loyal to Ashley was in my heart (so to speak), her actions were such a big letdown. I am thinking of making a separate save where I did stay loyal, but I don't know if it's worth it. I tend to play my characters based on how I think I'd act if I was really in that situation, and I can say that getting punched in the gut like that by her would've earned her no fondness from me, email apology or no. I saw the "romance" video if you stay loyal to her, and while it was touching, her actions just sour it up so bad.

Oh well. Time will tell. Plenty to go 'til ME3 comes around, so plenty of time to play with different relationship options if I choose to (or, could just edit savegames I guess!).

I had exactly the same reaction and made pretty much the same choices as you did.

The big thing is this is a game with different content in it.   You can have your favorite options but if you've got time to kill there's no reason not to experience everything the game has to offer.

My problem with Ashley's behaviour on Horizon is slightly different. Ashley is an alliance soldier 1st and foremost so I get why she would not abbandon her current mission and re-join the Normandy crew. I also get her reaction to Cerebus, in ME1 these guys were serious terrorists, she saw first hand some the things that they did, Ashely is right not to trust them. My problem with Ashely is that she does not trust Me/Shepard, In ME1 my Shepard was a 100% paragon, by the time I met her at Horizon all my decisons were Paragon ones. After everything I went through with that woman you'd think she'd know and trust Shepard better to know that he wouldn't be working with Cerebus without a good reason. She never gives him a chance to explain himself.  With her it's all why didn't you call me for the last 2 years ( to my Shepard it's only been about a week since he last saw her ), it's like she doesn't get that Shepard was really dead. It was the lack of trust that did it for me, if these 2 were really a couple, if she really knew Shepard as well as I thought she did she would/should have known Shepard would never betray his own sence of justice, throw away his own morale code.

[sagefic]

Alamar2078 wrote...

It's easy for Shep to be loyal ... for him it's only been a few days / weeks / whatever .... IF he was in love it's perfectly reasonable to abstain from other relationships until he moves on.

this

tvih wrote...

Exactly. It's our Shep. So whose motivations but ours would be use? I mean, technically the character doesn't have any preset motivations - we don't know what his personality etc would be without us. Of course one can choose to be different from what you'd normally do yourself, but that wouldn't make it any more truthful

and this.

just...yeah. that's it, right there.

[Ooga600]

I almost was done with Liara but then....



Bioware really should've made this piece of dialogue mandatory to Liara's mission.

Modifié par Ooga600, 14 juillet 2010 - 07:45 .

[btthegeek]

My easy fix to this is that any Shepard I import is his/her own universe. Some are loyal, some are not, and some don't see a question of loyalty at all. I don't have a "canon" Shepard that I plan to take to end of ME3, because whichever one I am currently playing is the canon. My new favorite pastime is to play ME1, then import that Shepard and play ME2. I've done this 4 times now, and it really makes both games, and all characters within them, shine in their own way.

[tvih]

I actually made a Shepard loyal to Ashley by simply gently turning down Tali just prior to the suicide mission. At least you can turn Tali down gently, unlike Jack Ended up with the Ashley picture cutscene, so should count as loyal without having to replay the entire game.

Still, since I plan on making a character with no romance in ME1, and the continue to do both Tali and Miranda romances in ME2 with that character, I still do have some replaying to do at some point Plenty of options to take into ME3!

Modifié par tvih, 15 juillet 2010 - 10:42 .

[kaimanaMM]

btthegeek wrote...

My easy fix to this is that any Shepard I import is his/her own universe. Some are loyal, some are not, and some don't see a question of loyalty at all. I don't have a "canon" Shepard that I plan to take to end of ME3, because whichever one I am currently playing is the canon. My new favorite pastime is to play ME1, then import that Shepard and play ME2. I've done this 4 times now, and it really makes both games, and all characters within them, shine in their own way.

I've been doing this as well.  

I had a canon Shep that I was super attached to from ME1, I still am very fond of her, but I find as I replay ME2 with different ME1 imports I grow pretty attached to those Shepards and each has their own motivations, ideas and LIs (though Thane has snagged the most of my Shepards).  

[ME-ParaShep]

I don't have ME1, but I've researched and played it at a friend's house. I liked Liara's personality the best and for some time I thought that if I was getting ME2, I'd stick it with Liara.. until.. I "experimented" with Miranda and Tali. I noticed that Miranda and Tali were possible LI's and when Liara wasn't a possible LI, I thought if being loyal with her would be good because apparently she was obsessed with killing the Shadow Broker. But anyways I wanted to find out which my Shepard would end up being the happiest with. Miranda has the looks, but that's more or less it besides Shephard helping her out with her sister. I think of Miranda as the Normandy's "cheerleader" and nothing more quoted by SuZe I tried Tali out and I liked the idea of sticking a relationship with someone that Shepard already knew before ME2. Tali seemed more flirty with Shepard this time around and I liked her loyalty mission better than Miranda's because to me, it brought Shepard and Tali closer than how Miranda's loyalty mission brought Shepard and Miranda together. Tali seems the type to desire to keep Shepard happy with her. In my mind, a woman that dedicated, yet smart, tantalizing, and dedicated wins in my book.

Talimance FTW

[MrCairo]

MaleShep went with Miri.

FemShep stayed with Liara because the female romance options were awful.

[Neuzhelin]

I have 3 main characters to develop: paragon, paragade and renegade.

Paragon is the loyal one, which is self explanatory.

[JockBuster]

Kitteh303 wrote...

I romanced Kaidan in ME1 with almost all my Sheps (I have like.... a million of them). On my first ME2 playthrough, I got so pissed off about how much of a jerk Kaidan was on Horizon that I tried to go after Garrus, but then I backed away because it was just getting creepy. Other playthroughs I romanced Thane. However, most of the Sheps that "cheated" I've deleted. Now I restrict cheating to my renegade Sheps. (Makes sense, doesn't it?)

However, after playing ME1 again, I decided to remain faithful to Kaidan in the majority of my playthroughs. I am going to import a Shep that "cheated" into ME3 to see what happens, though. BioWare wants us to explore all the options the game has to offer, so I did. I don't really feel guilty about it-most of my Sheps are loyal.

Does anyone know: if you romance someone in ME2 and you're "cheating", if you break up with them (you have the option to with Thane, I know that), does the picture of your ME1 LI get propped up again?

As a femShep in ME1, Kaidan's romance was THE BEST (Male with Liara, and Ash [2nd best] , best dialogue etc. Originally there WAS to be a MaleShep & Kaidan romance in ME1 but it got cut out, I guess that it is OK to have female/female, male or female/alien, interracial? IF you romanced Kaidan in ME1 after horizon you get an e-mail from him ... THAT made me wanting to continue our relationship in ME3, so no ME2 romances (yeah I did, JACK and Tali as a maleShep); I'm a little too human for the choices in ME2. Also Kaidan's (no mention of Ash) photo is on Anderson's desk in the Citadel (you have to get close for it to show up). 
As to the photo popping up again, doubtful, you cheated and it's over (IMHO).

[mopotter]

sagequeen wrote...

eh, *shrug*

you bring up a good point: players often allow THEIR motivations to become SHEPARD's motivations...

but why the hell not? it's their shep, who may be totally different from the one another person plays. and i think you'll actually find that a lot of people played multiple sheps who responded in different ways

Multiple Shepards. That's me.  I have at least 2 Fem Shepards who saved her love, i have 2 Fem Sheps who felt Ash needed to be saved so told her love she was sorry.  I have two male Shepards who also did this.  i have the Fem and Male Shepard who found Liara adorable in her cuteness and I have Male and Female Shepard who did not have time for romance.   Each one had different motivations depending on how I was playing the game.

In Me2 if Kaidan was the love interest I'm faithful to him.   i understand he's had 2 years to morn and it was a shock plus Anderson didn't tell him I was asking about him,  and for me it was just yesterday we spent the waiting time together.  I liked the e-mail he sends, and would have liked to respond.  

For some reason I didn't get the same feeling when I read Ash's e-mail but I'm not that big of a Jack or Miranda fan so he stayed faithful.  My Shepards who romanced Liara did not get a great vibe when they met again so Fem Shep went for Thane, who died, and Mr. Shepard went to Miranda for consoilment.  

Main reason i stayed faithful to Kaidan - I like the character.  

[Graz73]

Main reason i stayed faithful to Kaidan - I like the character. 

That is what is great about a game like this... Players can all take something different from it.

Personally I think Kaiden is the most boring of all the LI characters, (of course, I am a guy) but its neat that others can see it differently.

[mopotter]

Graz73 wrote...

Main reason i stayed faithful to Kaidan - I like the character. 

That is what is great about a game like this... Players can all take something different from it.

Personally I think Kaiden is the most boring of all the LI characters, (of course, I am a guy) but its neat that others can see it differently.

It's what I like about all of BioWare games.  I may not find one of the characters to my taste but chances are there will be one that I do like.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Yes to Liara, I didn't romance the other two but I'd probably stay loyal if I had.

[thetruefreemo]

I only stay loyal if I forget to romance somebody on the ship. The way that the ME1 LIs changed scared the hell out of me the first time. I don't like them anymore.