sanadawarrior wrote...
Proof of DA:O sales being better than ME 2? I'm rather curious because Ive been hearing this alot.
www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php
Is it really so bad IF DA2 drops some of rpg element to appeal to a wider audience?
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:01
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:02
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I would play ME2 if I wanted to play an RPG that appeals to a wider audience.
I want the diversity!
I want the diversity!
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:04
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You don't make a puzzle game and turn it into a shooter. I don't see why you'd turn an RPG into an action game.
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:05
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Ingrimm22 wrote...
sanadawarrior wrote...
Proof of DA:O sales being better than ME 2? I'm rather curious because Ive been hearing this alot.
www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php
Misleading article is misleading.
"Dragon Age was an extremely successful title for us - last November it was the single most globally successful title we've put out to date," said Bartel.
Mass Effect 2 was not out last November.
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:05
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Ingrimm22 wrote...
sanadawarrior wrote...
Proof of DA:O sales being better than ME 2? I'm rather curious because Ive been hearing this alot.
www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php
That says nothing about ME2 only ME1.
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:10
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sanadawarrior wrote...
"Our" Bioware includes who? Ive been a fan since the original Baldur's Gate and Im looking forward to DA2.
Answered in the above post by Kinthalis.
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:11
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they should keep the traditional system....but they will not, so i really hope they dont give us some ME2 derived combat system. i bet they plan to do a Jade Empire style combat with the main character, but prolly with control of your other characters....that would explain the fight like a spartan tag line
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:19
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I barely skimmed the replies so apologies if someone has made the same point.
I agree that changing the mechanics a bit isn't a big deal. Indeed, I'd also say that making it so you don't have to pause every few minutes is ideal for an RPG because it promotes immersion. "Role Playing" implies immersion afterall. RPG's and tactical strategy games are two different creatures.
But. It depends on what elements are being dropped. If a company is known and well liked for providing a certain product that is set apart from the crowd, then yes it's a bad decision to go the conformity route. Companies, whether it's a taco stand, video game publisher, or a bank; thrive on their public image and consumer loyalty. Loyalty combats competition and a good image brings in new loyalty.
Alienating your loyal consumer base will only hurt your image. Especially if that base is vocal.
Gamers are just about the most loud mouthed rageaholic fanbase out there (2nd only to us comic geeks) and they will, and have, burn down the whole dang internet demanding your head on a silver platter if you mess with their precious.
More importantly there's the necessity issue. Bioware is owned by EA. EA is one of the largest game publishers in the world. There is no necessity to appeal to a wider audience on EA's part because they already own the entire audience. It'd be much better for EA's image if they let some of their smaller studios focus on the niche markets. Niche markets are good for providing free advertising too. I mean, just consider how many of us have convinced our non-bioware-minion friends to buy ME or DA. We're money in Bioware's pocket.
I agree that changing the mechanics a bit isn't a big deal. Indeed, I'd also say that making it so you don't have to pause every few minutes is ideal for an RPG because it promotes immersion. "Role Playing" implies immersion afterall. RPG's and tactical strategy games are two different creatures.
But. It depends on what elements are being dropped. If a company is known and well liked for providing a certain product that is set apart from the crowd, then yes it's a bad decision to go the conformity route. Companies, whether it's a taco stand, video game publisher, or a bank; thrive on their public image and consumer loyalty. Loyalty combats competition and a good image brings in new loyalty.
Alienating your loyal consumer base will only hurt your image. Especially if that base is vocal.
Gamers are just about the most loud mouthed rageaholic fanbase out there (2nd only to us comic geeks) and they will, and have, burn down the whole dang internet demanding your head on a silver platter if you mess with their precious.
More importantly there's the necessity issue. Bioware is owned by EA. EA is one of the largest game publishers in the world. There is no necessity to appeal to a wider audience on EA's part because they already own the entire audience. It'd be much better for EA's image if they let some of their smaller studios focus on the niche markets. Niche markets are good for providing free advertising too. I mean, just consider how many of us have convinced our non-bioware-minion friends to buy ME or DA. We're money in Bioware's pocket.
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:20
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Yes, it's really bad. I don't see the tactical combat in DA as 'wrapping on a Christmas present'. It's part of the identity of the game and the genre over all.
That said, I await for the RPG that allows you to do both. That is, let those who like tactics and turn based combat use that, and also have a decent system for people who like some fast-twitch gameplay with their RPG's. I think that game will be The Witcher 2.
That said, I await for the RPG that allows you to do both. That is, let those who like tactics and turn based combat use that, and also have a decent system for people who like some fast-twitch gameplay with their RPG's. I think that game will be The Witcher 2.
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:27
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Tsuga C wrote...
sanadawarrior wrote...
"Our" Bioware includes who? Ive been a fan since the original Baldur's Gate and Im looking forward to DA2.
Answered in the above post by Kinthalis.
Perhaps I worded that wrong, as a 12 year fan of all things bioware ( well almost >_< ) I dont think they have changed all that much and I dont think these changes to DA2 will turn them into a money grubbing souless dev studio like you seem to think it will. It's not like they werent trying to make any money before, and it isnt like this is the first time they have tried to apeal to more people.
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:30
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Er.. to simply answer your question: YES
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:34
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I think it comes down to a simple question: Do you want to give a mediocre, or in the best case a decent/good experience to everyone? Or do you want to give an amazing experience to a select fan base. The problem with most developers today is they want to please everyone, and instead of giving a great experience to a select demographic, they give a mediocre experience to everyone.
DAO, as well as it sold, was made for a select demographic. It was made for people who love RPGs. I dislike making judgements now, but it feels as if they are taking the "we must appeal to everyone" route with Dragon Age 2, and that makes me worry that I'll end up with another game in the Mass Effect vein. And while I love Mass Effect, I wouldn't be playing Dragon Age if I wanted to play Mass Effect.
With that said, however, I'm still reserving my judgment as these are just the irrational fears of someone who has only gotten small snippets of information and let his imagination run wild. I'm still looking forward to DA2 and I highly doubt, with their track record, that Bioware is going to give me a game that I'm not going to love more than pizza.
DAO, as well as it sold, was made for a select demographic. It was made for people who love RPGs. I dislike making judgements now, but it feels as if they are taking the "we must appeal to everyone" route with Dragon Age 2, and that makes me worry that I'll end up with another game in the Mass Effect vein. And while I love Mass Effect, I wouldn't be playing Dragon Age if I wanted to play Mass Effect.
With that said, however, I'm still reserving my judgment as these are just the irrational fears of someone who has only gotten small snippets of information and let his imagination run wild. I'm still looking forward to DA2 and I highly doubt, with their track record, that Bioware is going to give me a game that I'm not going to love more than pizza.
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:42
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Yes, it is bad. I do not want all games to be more of the same, catering to the supposed majority of casual gamers out there. I want some variety in games, and getting that variety means having games retain elements that not everyone may like, but make the game so much better for those who do like it.
There are more than enough mainstream games out there already. DA2 should not be mainstream, it should be better.
There are more than enough mainstream games out there already. DA2 should not be mainstream, it should be better.
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:44
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Can i just play the devil's advocate and ask why is it so bad for gaming company to try and find wider market appeal for its game?
Because if every creative company in the world had that mindset...
Every videogame would be a Cover Shooter Online MP game w/ a Soccer mini game
Every piece of music would be a duet w/ Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga
The only show on tv would be American Idol and Dancing w/ the Stars
The only comedian would be Dane Cook
Usually going for a "wider audience" means boring, no risk, bland pointless content.
Would you rather live in a world without Demon's Souls and Dinosaur Jr?
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:52
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Haexpane wrote...
Because if every creative company in the world had that mindset...
Every videogame would be a Cover Shooter Online MP game w/ a Soccer mini game
Every piece of music would be a duet w/ Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga
The only show on tv would be American Idol and Dancing w/ the Stars
The only comedian would be Dane Cook
Usually going for a "wider audience" means boring, no risk, bland pointless content.
Would you rather live in a world without Demon's Souls and Dinosaur Jr?
I'm going to have nightmares now. thanks.
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:55
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Jimmy Fury wrote...
Haexpane wrote...
Because if every creative company in the world had that mindset...
Every videogame would be a Cover Shooter Online MP game w/ a Soccer mini game
Every piece of music would be a duet w/ Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga
The only show on tv would be American Idol and Dancing w/ the Stars
The only comedian would be Dane Cook
Usually going for a "wider audience" means boring, no risk, bland pointless content.
Would you rather live in a world without Demon's Souls and Dinosaur Jr?
I'm going to have nightmares now. thanks.
Every film would be a Michael Bay production and star Shia Lebuff or that Zap Efrrram clown:wizard:
Or be about Team Jacoby Edward
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:57
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Haexpane wrote...
pprrff wrote...
Can i just play the devil's advocate and ask why is it so bad for gaming company to try and find wider market appeal for its game?
Because if every creative company in the world had that mindset...
Every videogame would be a Cover Shooter Online MP game w/ a Soccer mini game
Every piece of music would be a duet w/ Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga
The only show on tv would be American Idol and Dancing w/ the Stars
The only comedian would be Dane Cook
Usually going for a "wider audience" means boring, no risk, bland pointless content.
Would you rather live in a world without Demon's Souls and Dinosaur Jr?
God of War Isn't mainstream? Gran Turismo? Mario Galaxy? Hell Modern Warfare 2 is the definition of mainstream video games and it doesnt even fit your description of what every video game would be...
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Jimmy Fury wrote...
Haexpane wrote...
Because if every creative company in the world had that mindset...
Every videogame would be a Cover Shooter Online MP game w/ a Soccer mini game
Every piece of music would be a duet w/ Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga
The only show on tv would be American Idol and Dancing w/ the Stars
The only comedian would be Dane Cook
Usually going for a "wider audience" means boring, no risk, bland pointless content.
Would you rather live in a world without Demon's Souls and Dinosaur Jr?
I'm going to have nightmares now. thanks.
^^^Lol...this is freaky. I damn near posted this exact same thing word for word. I'm buying a lottery ticket.
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 06:59
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Yes, it is bad. A really good RPG is always too complicated to appeal to really wide audience.
Look at MW2. If you play shooters a lot you know - this game is crap. But it appeal to any moron out there.
Look at MW2. If you play shooters a lot you know - this game is crap. But it appeal to any moron out there.
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 07:01
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sanadawarrior wrote...
Haexpane wrote...
pprrff wrote...
Can i just play the devil's advocate and ask why is it so bad for gaming company to try and find wider market appeal for its game?
Because if every creative company in the world had that mindset...
Every videogame would be a Cover Shooter Online MP game w/ a Soccer mini game
Every piece of music would be a duet w/ Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga
The only show on tv would be American Idol and Dancing w/ the Stars
The only comedian would be Dane Cook
Usually going for a "wider audience" means boring, no risk, bland pointless content.
Would you rather live in a world without Demon's Souls and Dinosaur Jr?
God of War Isn't mainstream? Gran Turismo? Mario Galaxy? Hell Modern Warfare 2 is the definition of mainstream video games and it doesnt even fit your description of what every video game would be...
It's called HYPERBOLE
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 07:03
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Lord Gremlin wrote...
Yes, it is bad. A really good RPG is always too complicated to appeal to really wide audience.
Look at MW2. If you play shooters a lot you know - this game is crap. But it appeal to any moron out there.
I play lots of shooters and I think MW2 is great. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean it apeals to morons...
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i had a nightmare once that the game a couple of friends and i had bought to play regularly online together was MW2. It was a terrible terrible nightmareLord Gremlin wrote...
Look at MW2. If you play shooters a lot you know - this game is crap. But it appeal to any moron out there.
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 07:04
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The combat system does need tweaks.
Lets face it, pausing every 2 seconds to swallow a health pot isn't good game play. A monkey can do that. It detracts away from actual skill use and tactics.
Also the million "what if" commands needs to go as well. This is an area that has no affect on a character other then being a complete dunderhead of non action while getting pulverized by an axe. Bioware needs to make the AI smarter so you don't have to tell it manually that "Hey X character is getting beaten to a pulp, heal him not cast fire shield on him"
Lets face it, pausing every 2 seconds to swallow a health pot isn't good game play. A monkey can do that. It detracts away from actual skill use and tactics.
Also the million "what if" commands needs to go as well. This is an area that has no affect on a character other then being a complete dunderhead of non action while getting pulverized by an axe. Bioware needs to make the AI smarter so you don't have to tell it manually that "Hey X character is getting beaten to a pulp, heal him not cast fire shield on him"
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 07:04
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Haexpane wrote...
sanadawarrior wrote...
Haexpane wrote...
pprrff wrote...
Can i just play the devil's advocate and ask why is it so bad for gaming company to try and find wider market appeal for its game?
Because if every creative company in the world had that mindset...
Every videogame would be a Cover Shooter Online MP game w/ a Soccer mini game
Every piece of music would be a duet w/ Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga
The only show on tv would be American Idol and Dancing w/ the Stars
The only comedian would be Dane Cook
Usually going for a "wider audience" means boring, no risk, bland pointless content.
Would you rather live in a world without Demon's Souls and Dinosaur Jr?
God of War Isn't mainstream? Gran Turismo? Mario Galaxy? Hell Modern Warfare 2 is the definition of mainstream video games and it doesnt even fit your description of what every video game would be...
It's called HYPERBOLE
I was jus sayin is all
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Posté 09 juillet 2010 - 07:05
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YES. Dragon Age is a classical RPG and dropping some of the RPG can ruin the experience.
