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[Rpgsrock]

How can Hawke be a mage? you would need to have an origin of him in a temple or him on the run from Templers

And we know there wont be origins, or atleast we can assume that.

I mean its not even dragon age:origins 2, its Dragon age 2

[Rhjh20]

Rpgsrock wrote...

I mean its not even dragon age:origins 2, its Dragon age 2

It is Dragon age 2 not  dragon age:origins 2

[Valmy]

I am not very fond of the name Dragon Age 2. I sort of liked the style of



Dragon Age: Origins

Dragon Age: Awakenings



and so forth.



But yeah they better do something for the mage characters. I mean you can only be male or female and three classes. It is not like they have so many variables a plothole like that is easily excusable.



Hopefully that will not be the case.

[Lord_Saulot]

That isn't a plot hole.



he might just never have been found, or the story might accomodate his training.

[Kaiser Shepard]

So Hawke can be an apostate, duh.

[Chaia]

I was wondering about this myself, and as he can be a mage I wonder who will be doing his training.

[Velvetmeds]

my



god



it's a good thing i barely come to these forums

[Rpgsrock]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

So Hawke can be an apostate, duh.

that what you said right there is an origin, and in this game their are no origins

[Lord_Saulot]

Rpgsrock wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

So Hawke can be an apostate, duh.

that what you said right there is an origin, and in this game their are no origins

That doesn't make any sense.  Of course there will be a background to explain your character.  That's just common sense.

[AlexXIV]

Velvetmeds wrote...

my

god

it's a good thing i barely come to these forums

And if you only come here to say things like that you may as well stay away.

Anyway to the OP:

There are mages like Morrigan or the one of the elven origin. But that's only Ferelden. Different countries have a different view and different laws about magic.

[swirlwind]

Hawke might have been a child when leaving Lothering. Perhaps no one knew of his/her abilities.

Modifié par swirlwind, 09 juillet 2010 - 05:29 .

[syllogi]

swirlwind wrote...

Hawke might have been a child when leaving Lothering. Perhaps no one knew of his/her abilities.

The Circle of Magi takes children beginning at age 6, and examples like Connor show that having a child run around with no training, or a poor trainer like Jowan, leads to demonic possession or other bad things.

I sincerely hope that Hawke's status as an apostate is addressed in the game.  Hawke came from Lothering, where there is a Chantry and Templars ready and willing to pick up children exhibiting magical aptitude.  It would make no sense for the Mage player character to be an adolescent or older when the game begins, and no explanation given for why he or she has not been sent to the Circle.

[Krilral]

Hawke may already have finished his/her training by the time the game starts. We already know mages are allowed outside the circle tower once they finish their training

[_-Greywolf-_]

Rpgsrock wrote...

How can Hawke be a mage? you would need to have an origin of him in a temple or him on the run from Templers

And we know there wont be origins, or atleast we can assume that.

I mean its not even dragon age:origins 2, its Dragon age 2

My guess is because Hawke will pretty much be Shepard 2.0, there will be origins but the implementation of them will just be a short story that you can only read about in the Hawke's Background section of the codex (like just say you are a mage you will get a short story about how you were raised in the circle tower and sent to Denerim to help with the defense against the blight or something).

I hope this isnt the case and I hope since Bioware took the freedom away from us to create our own character I hope that Hawke has a backstory that is vital to the plot and play a role in the story nobody else can fill but as it is I dont think this will be the case, by the looks of it all we are getting is Shepard 2.0.

[Behindyounow]

Maybe he just said 'sod it' and cut his way out of the tower when Uldred took over... and then proceeds to kick ass and take names as he flees to another nation to start his glorious new life as a refugee.

[NvVanity]

I don't see the big deal.



Warrior Hawke: Probably a soldier who decided to flee from the Darkspawn.



Rogue Hawke: Probably a bandit or thief that fled from Darkspawn.



Mage Hawke: Apostate that fled from Darkspawn....and Templars.





And just because Origins isn't in the title doesn't mean we'll have a different "Origin" start-off tutorial mission in the game. Bioware should really have not made this forum until they gave their first massive info dump. The amount of fan dumb going around is absurd and comparable to the Infinity Ward forums.

[SirOccam]

Rpgsrock wrote...



How can Hawke be a mage? you would need to have an origin of him in a temple or him on the run from Templers



And we know there wont be origins, or atleast we can assume that.



I mean its not even dragon age:origins 2, its Dragon age 2

Of course Hawke will have an origin. Not an "Origin," necessarily, but an origin. I doubt he just popped into existence.

It's too early to be calling it a plot hole. You even answered your own question. He could be a mage and it could be explained by him somehow leaving the Circle (legally or illegally). Nothing saying it's impossible for him to be a Mage.

And giving a backstory isn't the same as having a full-blown playable Origin story.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Krilral wrote...

Hawke may already have finished his/her training by the time the game starts. We already know mages are allowed outside the circle tower once they finish their training

Then they better have some Templars hunting him at some point in the game, cause I'm pretty sure Mage's can't just hop on a boat to the Free Marches without consequence.

[NvVanity]

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

Krilral wrote...

Hawke may already have finished his/her training by the time the game starts. We already know mages are allowed outside the circle tower once they finish their training

Then they better have some Templars hunting him at some point in the game, cause I'm pretty sure Mage's can't just hop on a boat to the Free Marches without consequence.

Free Marches is described as a place of warring city states that doesn't really have a single leader. It seems like it could be a chaotic place and i'm sure that would make a Templars job pretty hard.

[Rpgsrock]

NvVanity wrote...
.....And just because Origins isn't in the title doesn't mean we'll have a different "Origin" start-off tutorial mission in the game. Bioware should really have not made this forum until they gave their first massive info dump. The amount of fan dumb going around is absurd and comparable to the Infinity Ward forums.

I just made the thread to see if anyone else had any answers, or maybe even someone from bioware could give us some info. Dragon age is my favorite game, and after awakening I doubt some of the things they do. My main character from DA:O did the ultimate sacrifice and they ruined that in awakening. So from now on I ask alot of questions so i don't get let down like that again.

[Ellroy06]

You knew which characters you were importing to Awekenings. If you imported one who had sacrificed himself, it's your own buisness; BioWare just made it so you could import anyone. If you think it 'ruins' your character, simply don't do it.



Also, as people have already said, there could be numerous explanations as to why mage!Hawke isn't locked up on the local Circle Tower. He could've fled for uknown reason, before or after the Blight, or he could be an apostate, which could be really intresting if done right, or he could've somehow self-taught himself, and somehow avoided the Templars...or any number of things. Calling it a 'plot hole' at this point is rather stupid. No offense. I'm more concerned about the dialogue system (ala DA:O or ala Awekenings).

[Ulicus]

Valmy wrote...

I am not very fond of the name Dragon Age 2. I sort of liked the style of

Dragon Age: Origins
Dragon Age: Awakenings

and so forth.

STRONG AGREEMENT.

In a perfect world "Dragon Age II" would just be a placeholder for "Dragon Age: Something Else". Oh well. Marketing folk think the public is too stupid to understand that something's a sequel unless it has a "2" slapped on it.

[Soruve]

Well Dragon Age II could just be a temporary name, until they see fit to either release any already existing title, or until they come up with one. It could just be that the title may reveal too much at the moment. Remember, we still have a ways to go before we actually see the box art on a box

[ChuckNorris18]

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

Rpgsrock wrote...

How can Hawke be a mage? you would need to have an origin of him in a temple or him on the run from Templers

And we know there wont be origins, or atleast we can assume that.

I mean its not even dragon age:origins 2, its Dragon age 2

My guess is because Hawke will pretty much be Shepard 2.0, there will be origins but the implementation of them will just be a short story that you can only read about in the Hawke's Background section of the codex (like just say you are a mage you will get a short story about how you were raised in the circle tower and sent to Denerim to help with the defense against the blight or something).

I hope this isnt the case and I hope since Bioware took the freedom away from us to create our own character I hope that Hawke has a backstory that is vital to the plot and play a role in the story nobody else can fill but as it is I dont think this will be the case, by the looks of it all we are getting is Shepard 2.0.

character customization exists, you just have the option of a default.

[_-Greywolf-_]

Ellroy06 wrote...

You knew which characters you were importing to Awekenings. If you imported one who had sacrificed himself, it's your own buisness; BioWare just made it so you could import anyone. If you think it 'ruins' your character, simply don't do it.

Also, as people have already said, there could be numerous explanations as to why mage!Hawke isn't locked up on the local Circle Tower. He could've fled for uknown reason, before or after the Blight, or he could be an apostate, which could be really intresting if done right, or he could've somehow self-taught himself, and somehow avoided the Templars...or any number of things. Calling it a 'plot hole' at this point is rather stupid. No offense. I'm more concerned about the dialogue system (ala DA:O or ala Awekenings).

I doubt Hawke will be an apostate if you choose mage for his class as this could really have a big effect on how people react to you (especially templars) and Bioware has made it clear by cutting out origin stories that they want everyone's character to be roughly the same. If Hawke was an apostate there would either have to be a reason the Templars cant touch him (like he joins some group that gives him immunity to chantry laws like the Spectres or Grey Wardens) or a reason why the Templars are hunting him even though he is a warrior or rouge.

But it is most likely that Hawke (if you choose the mage class) is a certified circle mage and you will get some small codex entry saying how he became a mage and why he went to lothering, just like if you were a warrior it will explain how he learnt to fight and why he went to lothering.

However there are a number of possibilities, maybe he is an apostate and even though his class is warrior he still has magic potential, who knows? Maybe you dont get to choose your class at the start and your class will be determined as you level and what skills you focus on? We shall find out soon hopefully.