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ChuckNorris18 wrote...

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How can Hawke be a mage? you would need to have an origin of him in a temple or him on the run from Templers

And we know there wont be origins, or atleast we can assume that.

I mean its not even dragon age:origins 2, its Dragon age 2


My guess is because Hawke will pretty much be Shepard 2.0, there will be origins but the implementation of them will just be a short story that you can only read about in the Hawke's Background section of the codex (like just say you are a mage you will get a short story about how you were raised in the circle tower and sent to Denerim to help with the defense against the blight or something).

I hope this isnt the case and I hope since Bioware took the freedom away from us to create our own character I hope that Hawke has a backstory that is vital to the plot and play a role in the story nobody else can fill but as it is I dont think this will be the case, by the looks of it all we are getting is Shepard 2.0.

character customization exists, you just have the option of a default.


Sure it exists but in what capacity? Technically it exists in Mass Effect as well but it never really feels like you are playing your character and thats what I fear will happen in Dragon Age 2.

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Hawke is supposed to have fled Lothering I'm guessing he was on his way to ostagar sent by the tower and didn't make it in time.

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Ulicus wrote...

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I am not very fond of the name Dragon Age 2. I sort of liked the style of

Dragon Age: Origins
Dragon Age: Awakenings

and so forth.

STRONG AGREEMENT.

In a perfect world "Dragon Age II" would just be a placeholder for "Dragon Age: Something Else". Oh well. Marketing folk think the public is too stupid to understand that something's a sequel unless it has a "2" slapped on it.


Dragon Age 2: Electric Boogaloo ^_^

Kidding aside, I agree. A little creativity wouldn't hurt.

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The would obviously explain how he is a mage, duh.

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You're born a mage.

Assassins creed 2 intro anyone?

Straight out of the vagina and into the game hehe. "A" TO KICK YOUR LEGS

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ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

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Hawke may already have finished his/her training by the time the game starts. We already know mages are allowed outside the circle tower once they finish their training


Then they better have some Templars hunting him at some point in the game, cause I'm pretty sure Mage's can't just hop on a boat to the Free Marches without consequence.


Wynne could go all the way to Tevinter(if you get that ending in DA:O).

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_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

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You knew which characters you were importing to Awekenings. If you imported one who had sacrificed himself, it's your own buisness; BioWare just made it so you could import anyone. If you think it 'ruins' your character, simply don't do it.

Also, as people have already said, there could be numerous explanations as to why mage!Hawke isn't locked up on the local Circle Tower. He could've fled for uknown reason, before or after the Blight, or he could be an apostate, which could be really intresting if done right, or he could've somehow self-taught himself, and somehow avoided the Templars...or any number of things. Calling it a 'plot hole' at this point is rather stupid. No offense. I'm more concerned about the dialogue system (ala DA:O or ala Awekenings).


I doubt Hawke will be an apostate if you choose mage for his class as this could really have a big effect on how people react to you (especially templars) and Bioware has made it clear by cutting out origin stories that they want everyone's character to be roughly the same. If Hawke was an apostate there would either have to be a reason the Templars cant touch him (like he joins some group that gives him immunity to chantry laws like the Spectres or Grey Wardens) or a reason why the Templars are hunting him even though he is a warrior or rouge.

But it is most likely that Hawke (if you choose the mage class) is a certified circle mage and you will get some small codex entry saying how he became a mage and why he went to lothering, just like if you were a warrior it will explain how he learnt to fight and why he went to lothering.

However there are a number of possibilities, maybe he is an apostate and even though his class is warrior he still has magic potential, who knows? Maybe you dont get to choose your class at the start and your class will be determined as you level and what skills you focus on? We shall find out soon hopefully.


For people to react differently, they would have to know you're an apostate. Unless the Templars have some sort of method to recognize apostates, or the Cirlce is actively  hunting you down, they'd have no way of knowing if you're an apostate or a legal mage, or even a mage at all. Templars in DA:O didn't fret about you being a mage, even though they didn't know you were a Grey Warden; they talk to you the same way as they do a warrior or a rogue.

Even if they do recognize you as an Apostate, by leaving out Origins
they have room to make the game different for every class. It could be
illustrated by random encounters (templars ambush you on the road, a
demon trying to possess you, etc), special dialogue and slight
variations in quests. Nothing too hard to do. And it would add to
replayability, which is badly needed since you have only one race and no
Origins.

Yeah, another possibility is that you weren't a mage until the start of the game, since you have to start at level one anyway, though that'd be lame. For me at least. I want to play a badass Apostate/Blood Mage.

:devil:

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Rpgsrock wrote...

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So Hawke can be an apostate, duh.


that what you said right there is an origin, and in this game their are no origins

They haven't said that yet.

It may very well be the case in the end, but can we restrict ourselves to preaching armageddon on just the basis of things we actually know, not things that could maybe possibly be the case?

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Is Wynne constantly in the tower? no. How about Morrigan? She's an apostate. Do we no everything about mages, and does EVERY mage go to the circle. Another no. Not a plot hole

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SnakeHelah wrote...

You're born a mage.
Assassins creed 2 intro anyone?
Straight out of the vagina and into the game hehe. "A" TO KICK YOUR LEGS


Puch and kick, puch and kick!

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maybe the intro will be similar to the origins intro in the first DA with a short video giving the basic back story you need and from there you can set fourth on your grand adventure.



OT:it really is too early to be saying its a plot hole now, when you have no idea how bioware will implement it...i mean maybe the templars weren't too bothered about catching one rogue mage when they were about to be slaughtered by the darkspawn horde or maybe you could be a circle mage sent to join the army but you lost your way and were forced to flee from the horde (fleeing from impossible odds =/= cowardice) we jut dont know yet...we will just have to wit till bioware decide to share that information.

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We don't know how old Hawke was when he fled Lothering, he could have been a 5 year old kid when the Darkspawn attacked. Got to the Free Marches and joined the circle there as usual

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I don't understand why everyone believes that there will be no origin stories. No dev, so far as I know, has commented on that specific issue yet, and the origin stories make a lot of sense in establishing the character's views and opinion of the world. If every character starts with the same tutorial level, then there are very few real motives that your character can have for playing through the events of the game. Origin stories are pretty much a necessity for DA2, and if you can prove to me that they won't actually be in there, then I'll probably just cover my ears and start yelling to drown out the sound of your voice. Incidentally, that isn't relevant in the slightest, considering I'm reading your text, but don't expect me to be reasonable if they take my precious origin stories away from me.

Oh, and about not calling the game Dragon Age: Origins 2, the bit before the ':' is pretty much the franchise name, and the bit after the game name. If they both have origins in the title, then it gets too clunky.

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Krilral wrote...

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

Krilral wrote...

Hawke may already have finished his/her training by the time the game starts. We already know mages are allowed outside the circle tower once they finish their training


Then they better have some Templars hunting him at some point in the game, cause I'm pretty sure Mage's can't just hop on a boat to the Free Marches without consequence.


Wynne could go all the way to Tevinter(if you get that ending in DA:O).


Wynne was also an inch away from being First Enchanter, and commanded great respect within the Circle.  Hawke obviously wasn't much more than a  simple Mage who completed his harrowing (hell and that's already assuming he was even part of the circle)  or we would have heard of him.

Also, Wynne probably asked permission to leave, Hawke apparently just decided to ditch the nation because of the blight.

Keithhy wrote...

Oh, and about not calling the game Dragon Age: Origins 2, the bit before the ':' is pretty much the franchise name, and the bit after the game name. If they both have origins in the title, then it gets too clunky.


Call me crazy, but they could have just used a name like "Dragon Age: Hero of Kirkwood".  

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=maybe you could be a circle mage sent to join the army but you lost your way and were forced to flee from the horde (fleeing from impossible odds =/= cowardice)


Didn't they mention a bunch of the army fleeing Ostagar after the rout?

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sporky1 wrote...

Is Wynne constantly in the tower? no. How about Morrigan? She's an apostate. Do we no everything about mages, and does EVERY mage go to the circle. Another no. Not a plot hole


i know EVERYTHING about mages =}

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wandrew wrote...

=maybe you could be a circle mage sent to join the army but you lost your way and were forced to flee from the horde (fleeing from impossible odds =/= cowardice)


Didn't they mention a bunch of the army fleeing Ostagar after the rout?


yes, i think regardless of the gender and class, hawke escaped from the darkspawn... it has nothing to do with the pc's origin in the 1st game

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ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

Call me crazy, but they could have just used a name like "Dragon Age: Hero of Kirkwood".  


Well, the '2' might just be a placeholder for now. I mean, the game was only announced two days ago. I guess we'll know more by the time the trailer rolls around though, so let's all hibernate until then.

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Keithhy wrote...

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

Call me crazy, but they could have just used a name like "Dragon Age: Hero of Kirkwood".  


Well, the '2' might just be a placeholder for now. I mean, the game was only announced two days ago. I guess we'll know more by the time the trailer rolls around though, so let's all hibernate until then.

Normally i wouldnt jump to the conclusion thats its just called, Dragon age 2, but on the cover art it sure seems like if they made it longer it wouldnt fit right.

also i doubt we will get info from the trailer, i am assuming it will be CG. But the GI artical should fill us in

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Rpgsrock wrote...

How can Hawke be a mage? you would need to have an origin of him in a temple or him on the run from Templers

And we know there wont be origins, or atleast we can assume that.

I mean its not even dragon age:origins 2, its Dragon age 2


One word for you Apostate oh yeah and it does not take place in Fereldon, The Chantry is only powerful in Fereldon and Orelay.

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Eludajae wrote...

Rpgsrock wrote...

How can Hawke be a mage? you would need to have an origin of him in a temple or him on the run from Templers

And we know there wont be origins, or atleast we can assume that.

I mean its not even dragon age:origins 2, its Dragon age 2


One word for you Apostate oh yeah and it does not take place in Fereldon, The Chantry is only powerful in Fereldon and Orelay.


ferelden. orlais

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sporky1 wrote...

Is Wynne constantly in the tower? no. How about Morrigan? She's an apostate. Do we no everything about mages, and does EVERY mage go to the circle. Another no. Not a plot hole


The whole mage situation in Theads just seems poorly laid out to begin with. Mages in the Chantry heavy nations are supposed to be these freaks locked in the tower feared by the masses, only able to come out under very special circumstances and under very heavy watch with those who escape hunted down and put to death quite quickly. And yet throughout the game and lore we see all these cases of mages out and about with no troubles walking about in the world doing their own thing. 

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I'm thinking that perhaps if Hawke is a Mage then they could have some sort of connection to Cumberland, which is located a short distance away from Kirkwall and is said, I believe, to have a University for Mages?

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TheMadCat wrote...

sporky1 wrote...

Is Wynne constantly in the tower? no. How about Morrigan? She's an apostate. Do we no everything about mages, and does EVERY mage go to the circle. Another no. Not a plot hole


The whole mage situation in Theads just seems poorly laid out to begin with. Mages in the Chantry heavy nations are supposed to be these freaks locked in the tower feared by the masses, only able to come out under very special circumstances and under very heavy watch with those who escape hunted down and put to death quite quickly. And yet throughout the game and lore we see all these cases of mages out and about with no troubles walking about in the world doing their own thing. 


Mages only need to ask permission from the First Enchanter to leave the tower. It doesn't need to be anything really important, they could merely be visiting a sick family member or something. And it's logical that some mages have permission for extended leave. Higher-rank mages may not even have to ask permission to leave, they can just walk out the door. Like senior enchanters such as Wynne or Uldred.

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Eludajae wrote...

Rpgsrock wrote...

How can Hawke be a mage? you would need to have an origin of him in a temple or him on the run from Templers

And we know there wont be origins, or atleast we can assume that.

I mean its not even dragon age:origins 2, its Dragon age 2


One word for you Apostate oh yeah and it does not take place in Fereldon, The Chantry is only powerful in Fereldon and Orelay.

It does take place in Ferelden at the start of the game 


Now to the other people who said we dont know if there are origins or not, then your right. But it would be pretty hard to have origins for hawke just in lothering.

The smart thing for Bioware to do is have origins per class

Mages:
Apostate hiding in Lothering
Mage sent to Lothering
Warriors:
soilder sent Lothering
random person
rogue:
bandit hiding in lothering
random person

But i have a feeling that wont happen either, Bioware has stated you start off and a penniless hobo already.