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[Avilan II]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Who the hell is Brett Favre?

A guy that was a good quarterback once before he thought he was more important than his team, and got kicked out of town.

[SirFlynn]

Riona45 wrote...

SirFlynn wrote...
You know I was only speculating Hawke could be any kid of any gender and of any race no need to call me out on that...

No, you specifically mentioned the boy orphan and only used the word "he."  And I'm always happy to call people out on their casual sexism (and your attitude--"How DARE you dislike it how everyone is male by default!"--indicates exactly that, btw).

If I had worded it different you wouldn't have any problem at all with what I said but whatever,you're making a issues out of something that shouldn't be,I wasn't saying and didn't I think anything like that,yes I did say "he" sure but only in reference to the kid you meet who lost his mom, after that I didn't give  Hawke any gender,to try and avoid something like this from someone,because I knew this might happen once I did refer to Hawke once as being male,but such is the way of the internet ****ing about something as insignificant as this,Hawke could be an hermaphrodite for I care,actually not a bad idea gender issue solved!

[Riona45]

SirFlynn wrote...
...I knew this might happen once I did refer to Hawke once as being male,but such is the way of the internet ****ing about something as insignificant as this,Hawke could be an hermaphrodite for I care,actually not a bad idea gender issue solved!

It's insignificant to you and most other men because men don't have to deal with being constantly assumed to be female.

[Savey Anchev]

Avilan II wrote...

WilliamShatner wrote...

Who the hell is Brett Favre?

A guy that was a good quarterback once before he thought he was more important than his team, and got kicked out of town.

American arrogance on two fronts.

[mllrthyme]

My Green Bay shirt and I are sad now. *sniffles*



I don't know if this has been clarified or not, but do we know for sure that it's Hawke on the cover of DA2? Just wondering...

[maniacnick97]

Vandrayke wrote...

I think it's funny that some people who don't like a couple of changes (fully voiced characters, have to be human) act like people are stupid if they prefer these kinds of "dumbed-down" options to the ones available in DA:O.

It doesn't take some amazing depth of thinking to pretend you're a dwarf or an elf. I mean, really?

im not sure what your talking about but i think i do. when you made your character you could pick the voice of them and they would show a example so idk why you say they couldent have a voice for a dwarf or elf

[DeadInHell]

I find that I, myself, am usually one to be complaining on these boards, or at least protesting.

But honestly, though I do find the changes slated for DA2 to be quite baffling given the success of the game (why change your most successful winning formula?) I don't have a problem with them.

I am perfectly fine with playing a human being, and unless I'm just NUTS, didn't they say you would be able to select your gender? So the ladies (and the...well. roleplayers of ladies...) don't have to worry about that. And you can still customize the character, so you don't have to play someone else's character design or anything. And people complaining about the graphics and design based on some tiny tiny screenshots they found somewhere are just...well, they're desperately looking for something to complain about.

I'm really quite looking forward to the voice acting. I loved Dragon Age, and still do, but it was really quite...empty in certain moments where you might have expected a real reaction from your Warden and instead you get silence and :| . Not the most engaging experience there. I realize that the total lack of personality is what gives you room for imagination and lets you create your own character in your head which for some is a most important element, but I'm plain tired of silent emotionless protaganists. And Mass Effect being as phenomenal as it is, I trust Bioware to handle a voice-acted character just fine. Those who don't care for ME or the voices there are understandably worried, but I'm a huge fan of the game and I'm looking forward to being able to take control of a more engaging character in DA2.

I am really interested in and apprehensive about the changes that are going to be made to the combat system though. I really hope they don't turn Dragon Age into a hack and slash or something. Mass Effect works so well because of the nature of science fiction combat (i.e. guns). Not to mention the level design. Because of that, it was able to break away from the type of automated combat that preceded it. Dragon Age, to me, doesn't seem likely to accomodate real-time super action heavy combat. But we'll see how that comes about.

That all said, it is a bit dissapointing that we spent untold hours with our characters and our companions only to be wiped clean and given a new protaganist with a new story, but Dragon Age was more about the adventure than the character for me. Maybe I'm just not hardcore enough. I have high hopes that they won't just sever us from the Origins story, with luck they will allow us to see and perhaps even recruit some old faces. I know this isn't going to be Mass Effect 2 in terms of playthrough carryover, but perhaps major decisions made in Origins could be imported and reflected in DA2 in some way. But now I'm rambling...

Here's to making it until March.

[LiptonBrisk]

But you were OK with it in DA:O?  In that game everyone had a set last name

I wasn't thrilled with that design choice, but at least I got to choose a first name.

To be honest, if I feel the game has a good story, I can overlook a lot of things I don't care for.
If, however, I spend 80% of the game recruiting people to join my cause
(and doing backstories and loyalty quests for characters I have little
to no interest in), for example (I'm not a big fan of ME2--and was
disappointed by it), I'm probably going to find everything else I
listed previously doubly annoying. Actually, I have a number of complaints about ME2 . . . I actually preferred Alpha Protocol (developed by Obsidian Entertainment) to ME2 (yes, despite the lacklustre A.I., horrible character animations, and general lack of what I would call polish in Alpha Protocol)--but
I absolutely hated that, no matter what, my character's name was
Michael Thorton (and he sounded like a bit of a dufus to me  . .  his voice, I mean). I really wish
I could have turned his voice off.

My favourite cRPG is probably Planescape: Torment, but as Desslock (freelance rpg reviewer) in
an U.S. PC Gamer article has pointed out, that game suceeds as a game and (subjectively speaking) less so as an RPG. Was I really happy to be playing a human, nameless character--that was also, somewhat mildly, voiced? Not really. I just found the story, companions (Morte, Dak'kon, and Annah were great . . . actually, most were amazing), and voice acting (Sheena Easton, Mitch Pileggi, Dan Castellaneta, John de Lancie, etc.) to be so engaging that I didn't care about not being able to choose a name. I just played the game as a fun adventure game.

When I occasionally play D&D (tabletop), I find it fun to create my own character's name, his own background story, etc. When those conditions are forced upon me, then I feel some of the fun in character creation has been lost. Am I playing an RPG? Am I playing an adventure game with RPG elements?

Is threre really a need for your character in Mass Effect to have a last name of Shepard? Bioware will say yes. Is there really a need for the player's character in Alpha Protocol to be named Michael Thorton? Obsidian Entertainment will say sure. Maybe in both cases, you will say yes as well. I disagree strongly (but I'm not going to bother debating). I do think Obsidian Entertainment (Chris Avellone)/Black Isle Studios makes a pretty good case for the player character's name being set in Planescape: Torment. I'll hold judgement on DA 2 until I actually play it (but I would prefer creating my own character's name).

A lot this comes down to (relatively) subjective tastes. I'm just expressing my preferences.

Desslock also seems to suggest that Bethseda games are more reflective of true roleplaying experiences (in that they are more sandboxy). But I find Bethseda games have horribly boring stories with boring characters--and I'd rather be given some direction and a (less random) path for the sake of decent storytelling. I tend to equate sandboxes with MMOs, and I haven't come across one that delivers the kind of satisfying single player stories that Bioware, Black Isle Studios (now defunct, of course), and Obsidian Entertainment (yes, try Mask of the Betrayer) have delivered. Maybe The Old Republic will change my mind about MMOs and sandbox cRPGs.

Modifié par LiptonBrisk, 12 juillet 2010 - 08:20 .

[SirFlynn]

Riona45 wrote...

SirFlynn wrote...
...I knew this might happen once I did refer to Hawke once as being male,but such is the way of the internet ****ing about something as insignificant as this,Hawke could be an hermaphrodite for I care,actually not a bad idea gender issue solved!

It's insignificant to you and most other men because men don't have to deal with being constantly assumed to be female.

You're right more often than not the main character is male in our pop culture world I can't argue that,so people often assumed that to be the case,just look at the first artwork for DA2 everyone thinks thats basically what Hawke looks like,anyways I honestly wasn't trying to gender stereotype,at the same time there are more often now strong female characters Dragon Age has at least 4 good examples I can think of off the top of my head. I'm done with this now,I'd much rather just be friends.

[MDarwin]

Vandrayke wrote...

I also remember when people said DA:O would be horrible because you only got to pick between a rogue, warrior, and a mage, and they wanted to re-create their rogue/sorcerer/shadowdancer they made in NWN or something.
I'm in favor of fewer options that are more significant. So rather than having 46 character classes that are mostly similar except for their descriptions and a superfluous skill here and there, give me fewer, more concise classes that work differently, and I'll be happy.
Similarly, if they don't let you make a dwarf or an elf generic PC but are able to give you more depth of choice by restricting you to being human and being able to focus on one "origin," I'm all for it. I'm willing to bet that the "impact you have on the world" in DA2 will feature more significant choices than whose side you pick at the end of each major mission or who you decide to sleep with in camp. Those were great when DA:O came out, but I think it's time to go deeper.

I like to have my Blackguard back!   Can I?

[wwwwowwww]

Do a good number of you bother to even read the articles or do you just assume and start posting nonsense that makes you look idiotic?

[Sylvius the Mad]

LiptonBrisk wrote...

Planescape: Torment (male only, human only, no name at all! And it's still Bioware's best game ever!)?

Planescape: Torment is a Black Isle Studios game

And, most importantly, the player was free to roleplay that character.  His personality was entirely up to you.

Not so with BioWare's voiced-protagonists so far.  We'll see if Hawke is the first.

[diaglyph]

Doesn't bother me too much with having a voiced character.

Though wonder if Bioware might put in an Audio option to turn off Hawk voice for those people who do have an issue?

[abadomen]

Riona45 wrote...

SirFlynn wrote...
...I knew this might happen once I did refer to Hawke once as being male,but such is the way of the internet ****ing about something as insignificant as this,Hawke could be an hermaphrodite for I care,actually not a bad idea gender issue solved!

It's insignificant to you and most other men because men don't have to deal with being constantly assumed to be female.

Nope....I've never been assumed to be female in real life...Have you been assumed to be a male in real life? 

They do have procedures you know...

/sarcasm

[Riona45]

abadomen wrote...



Nope....I've never been assumed to be female in real life...Have you been assumed to be a male in real life? 

I thought it was obvious I wasn't talking about in-person encounters.

[DeadInHell]

Riona45 wrote...

abadomen wrote...



Nope....I've never been assumed to be female in real life...Have you been assumed to be a male in real life? 

I thought it was obvious I wasn't talking about in-person encounters.

I can't say I feel your pain here, for reasons that are obvious (I'm a guy). But I'd say for the amount of women that are gamers, the amount of female lead characters in games these days and the options for gender aren't that out of whack. If anything, it's unreasonable to expect a culture that has been and remains patriarchal to suddenly turn on its axis and start only producing Triple AAA products that cater to a female minority.

[abadomen]

Riona45 wrote...

abadomen wrote...



Nope....I've never been assumed to be female in real life...Have you been assumed to be a male in real life? 

I thought it was obvious I wasn't talking about in-person encounters.

I thought it was obvious I was being sarcastic.

Modifié par abadomen, 12 juillet 2010 - 07:35 .

[Riona45]

BeLikeHan wrote...
I can't say I feel your pain here, for reasons that are obvious (I'm a guy). But I'd say for the amount of women that are gamers, the amount of female lead characters in games these days and the options for gender aren't that out of whack. If anything, it's unreasonable to expect a culture that has been and remains patriarchal to suddenly turn on its axis...

It remains patriarchal if people don't do anything to try to change it.  I'm actually speaking up, and you say I have unreasonable expectations (I never said I expected a "sudden turn" after all).  That's, well, kind of condescending and sexist, don't you think?

Modifié par Riona45, 12 juillet 2010 - 07:43 .

[Riona45]

abadomen wrote...

I thought it was obvious I was being sarcastic.

Fair enough.

[abadomen]

Riona45 wrote...

BeLikeHan wrote...
I can't say I feel your pain here, for reasons that are obvious (I'm a guy). But I'd say for the amount of women that are gamers, the amount of female lead characters in games these days and the options for gender aren't that out of whack. If anything, it's unreasonable to expect a culture that has been and remains patriarchal to suddenly turn on its axis...

It remains patriarchal if people don't do anything to try to change it.  I'm actually speaking up, and you say I have unreasonable expectations (I never said I expected a "sudden turn" after all).  That's, well, kind of condescending and sexist, don't you think?

On a serious note, 

I think this won't change till more women get into the medium.

My g/f loves DA and ME...and does get a little pissed when they always talk about Shepard...and probably will with HAWKE...but they are wanting the majority audience. 

Also funny how both names sound masculine...those I suppose that's because our society associates masculinity with those two icons...a Hawk and a Shepard. 

I have one year left of college and wish I had time to take a gender studies course...

[DeadInHell]

Riona45 wrote...

BeLikeHan wrote...
I can't say I feel your pain here, for reasons that are obvious (I'm a guy). But I'd say for the amount of women that are gamers, the amount of female lead characters in games these days and the options for gender aren't that out of whack. If anything, it's unreasonable to expect a culture that has been and remains patriarchal to suddenly turn on its axis...

It remains patriarchal if people don't do anything to try to change it.  I'm actually speaking up, and you say I have unreasonable expectations (I never said I expected a "sudden turn" after all).  That's, well, kind of condescending and sexist, don't you think?

No, I don't. I think it's being kind of realistic. I think if you expect gaming to stop being male-centric that is an unrealistic expectation. It's not a value judgement. It has nothing to do with right and wrong or fair and unfair. I don't think that male-ness is inherently good or morally sound or what have you.

I also think that as of the current date, things aren't exactly that grim. Female protagonists take center stage in major titles like Mirror's Edge, Final Fantasy XIII, and Heavenly Sword, not to mention the female leads from older, classic games (Samus, Lara Croft, Joanna Dark) who are continuing to star in new installments. And Bioware gives us all one better by leaving it up to us to decide which gender the protagonist will be, so no one is left pondering their own gender identity because of some polygons. It doesn't seem to be too bad of a scene we've got.

[mllrthyme]

Shepard I get as masculine, but Hawk? Not trying to be rude, just curious how a hawk is masculine.

[Riona45]

abadomen wrote...

On a serious note, 

I think this won't change till more women get into the medium.

My g/f loves DA and ME...and does get a little pissed when they always talk about Shepard...and probably will with HAWKE...but they are wanting the majority audience. 

Also funny how both names sound masculine...those I suppose that's because our society associates masculinity with those two icons...a Hawk and a Shepard. 

I have one year left of college and wish I had time to take a gender studies course...

Heh.

Well, Shepard and Hawke are surnames after all (good point about the icons, though), so that in itself doesn't bother me.  But the marketing?  That does bother me (what with the option of being female barely, if ever, mentioned), but I don't only blame marketers for that--it's also because of the audience.  There is apparently a widely held notion that if a story involves a female protagonist, then the story is specifically for girls/women (and therefore men won't buy it).

[Riona45]

BeLikeHan wrote...

No, I don't. I think it's being kind of realistic. I think if you expect gaming to stop being male-centric that is an unrealistic expectation.

What I think is that I should speak my mind on things--I do not think that is unrealistic.

Modifié par Riona45, 12 juillet 2010 - 08:09 .

[DeadInHell]

Riona45 wrote...

BeLikeHan wrote...

No, I don't. I think it's being kind of realistic. I think if you expect gaming to stop being male-centric that is an unrealistic expectation.

What I think is that I should speak my mind on things--I do not think that is unrealistic.

Well, naturally. But that isn't really the point of contention here is it?

Or do you also hold that you should speak your mind on things without then engaging in any further discussion on the matter?

Modifié par BeLikeHan, 12 juillet 2010 - 08:13 .