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[_Dejanus]

Please note before I begin, I am not making any judgement on DA2 itself but instead just addressing, in my own way, a disturbing amount of discontent that I feel is unwarranted at least and downright improper and disrespectful at most.

DA2 has barely been official for 24 hours and already the the same waves of vigorous argument at bursting forth about changes to the formula, these mainly being in a more restricted method of character creation and custumization. If this bothers you, you have a right to discuss the changes and, yes, have a negative opinion.

I write this to those who have, at this ludicrously early stage aready vowed( most in vain I am sure) to not purchase or even to actively boycott the game. If you have reason, you must see that this is surely not warranted or wise. It is far too early and not enough information is available to make such a decision or vow and doing so will only inspire unnessesary argument and strife on this forum and elsewhere.

I simply don't want a repeat of the complaint storm after and before the release of ME2. Wait for information, then form an educated opinioon, and even then keep a level head about your complaints.

I will likely be ignored, but I thought that if I could prevent even a little of what I am already beginning to see, I would have done some good. Thank you for reading.

[kyles3]

yeah, but i want to play as a dwarf.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Reason? Sweetie, this is the Internet. Though all the same, glimmers of intelligence and cogency in the maelstrom of ****** that inevitably accompanies every announcement about an upcoming game are highly appreciated.

*hands Dejanus a cookie*

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:01 .

[Davasar]

These are all your opinions which everyone is entitled to.



So too do people who feel that deep game immersion is the most important reason to play a game have a right to their opinions.



Without that deep immersion, they do not want to play.



The game feels more like a choose your own adventure where you control someone elses character rather then playing and experiencing your own characters story.



That deep game immerison comes from the very start of character creation. Without choice of race, name/etc, the immersion for many people is a non-starter.



I am one of the many who will not purchase the game because the choices were taken away from what DAO had.



It was a very thoughtful, tough decision. I loved DAO and the universe. But it will not be the same unless I am playing MY character.



I do hope that what the game does offer to others who like the new type of game it will be are going to enjoy it. I just will not be one of them, and a large number of people feel the same.

[Thomas9321]

It will be good, and I'm sure they'll manage to pull off the voice acting and surprise us all. My one fear is that Hawke will become another Shepard. Shepard is a blackhole of suck in Mass Effect's awesomeness. He's some guy I move around, not my character, frankly I'd rather play as Master Chief.

[Principia76]

Davasar wrote...

These are all your opinions which everyone is entitled to.

So too do people who feel that deep game immersion is the most important reason to play a game have a right to their opinions.

Without that deep immersion, they do not want to play.

The game feels more like a choose your own adventure where you control someone elses character rather then playing and experiencing your own characters story.

That deep game immerison comes from the very start of character creation. Without choice of race, name/etc, the immersion for many people is a non-starter.

I am one of the many who will not purchase the game because the choices were taken away from what DAO had.

It was a very thoughtful, tough decision. I loved DAO and the universe. But it will not be the same unless I am playing MY character.

I do hope that what the game does offer to others who like the new type of game it will be are going to enjoy it. I just will not be one of them, and a large number of people feel the same.

Well said. All of this talk of cinematic gameplay just turns me off because I don't watch movies when I want to have an interactive experience. Why bother to even make it a game if the story is going to be hamfistedly directed and locked down in a predetermined direction? Why not just make a direct to video DA CG movie?

[Matdeception]

My initial reaction to this game's announcement was irritation. You mean to say I WOULDN'T be able to play my warden in this game? The nerve of some people!



I refrained from posting my irritation and let the information sink in. I, and thought I am probably wrong, believe this game is really nothing more then an 'inbetween'. Something to stretch time out while the God Child is born and grows up.



My words likely do not do this game justice. I fully believe it will be an immersive, well thought out campaign that helps futhur set the stage for what is planned for Dragon Age (Morrigan and child, I mean), however given the information black out currently in effect, a lot of people are feeling peeved that all their efforts in DA:O were going to be ultimately ignored or, simply put, not counted as mattering at all.



Of course that's likely rubbish, but saying nothing is as good as saying no to most people. I personally believe you will be able to import your warden into this game, or rather, the choices your warden has made. These choices will, some more then others, be reflected in this game.



Or so I hope. But if you consider the many varied possible endings for DA:O, such an undertaking would be taxing indeed, if they actually took every descision into account. Which they won't, as evidence by Mass Effect 2.



Anyway, here's to my unfounded un-supported hope that DA2 is the inbetween, world painting game I'm hoping it is, so in DA3 we can import our Wardens and chase after Morrigan. Or at least those who chose to follow Morrigan. I can't really see the King/Queen of Ferelden, or Orzammar, or whatever actually persuing Morrigan in the game.



Heavens no in my CE Leliana romance I did the deed, and had no intention of following her, but every intention of enjoying the redheaded bard to the fullest.

[Lord_Saulot]

I've tried to be reasonable.

That means recognizing that while everyone has a right to an opinion, they don't have the right to state bizarre interpretations as fact, or to make things up.

Modifié par Lord_Saulot, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:13 .

[Haexpane]

_Dejanus wrote...

Please note before I begin, I am not making any judgement on DA2 itself 

How dare you not judge a game based on 5 bullet points, 1 tiny screen shot and some concept art! 

Personally I judge all videogames soley on the Power Point pitch 13 months pre alpha:innocent::innocent::innocent:

[odiedragon]

_Dejanus wrote...
I write this to those who have, at this ludicrously early stage aready vowed (most in vain I am sure) to not purchase or even to actively boycott the game. If you have reason, you must see that this is surely not warranted or wise. It is far too early and not enough information is available to make such a decision or vow and doing so will only inspire unnessesary argument and strife on this forum and elsewhere.

I simply don't want a repeat of the complaint storm after and before the release of ME2. Wait for information, then form an educated opinioon, and even then keep a level head about your complaints.

Maybe for some people.  But for me, I know all I need to know.

- The format will be significantly different from DA:O.  They are leaving behind the classic RPG for crowd-pleasing "cinematics"

- The PC will be Shepard with a Sword, and not a character that is influenced by the player's imagination.

Based on those two factors alone, I am no longer intersted in purchasing this game.  These are not assumptions or speculations, as many have insunated.  It is what we have been told by Bioware.

The open-ended feel and ability to influence events in different ways is what I loved about DA:O.  And a tight-scripted ME2 type storyline, no matter how well written, is not that.

Modifié par odiedragon, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:20 .

[BLunted]

_Dejanus wrote...

Please note before I begin, I am not making any judgement on DA2 itself but instead just addressing, in my own way, a disturbing amount of discontent that I feel is unwarranted at least and downright improper and disrespectful at most.

DA2 has barely been official for 24 hours and already the the same waves of vigorous argument at bursting forth about changes to the formula, these mainly being in a more restricted method of character creation and custumization. If this bothers you, you have a right to discuss the changes and, yes, have a negative opinion.

I write this to those who have, at this ludicrously early stage aready vowed( most in vain I am sure) to not purchase or even to actively boycott the game. If you have reason, you must see that this is surely not warranted or wise. It is far too early and not enough information is available to make such a decision or vow and doing so will only inspire unnessesary argument and strife on this forum and elsewhere.

I simply don't want a repeat of the complaint storm after and before the release of ME2. Wait for information, then form an educated opinioon, and even then keep a level head about your complaints.

I will likely be ignored, but I thought that if I could prevent even a little of what I am already beginning to see, I would have done some good. Thank you for reading.

I will wait for the product to be released before I decide whether to purchase or not. Will not be pre-ordering though.

The problem is that since the release of Origins last November, Bioware really hasn't done much to inspire confidence(actually, they haven't done ANYTHING at all IMO) so you really can't blame people.

9 Months in, we have:

• a lackluster expac that costs 2/3 the price of a full game with like 1/10 the content and starting a disturbing trend that indicates that Bioware is going to streamlining features(e.g. Romances, campfire chats, race selection, multiple origins) that players liked out of the franchise
• many bugs that have existed since launch, with no indication that they are ever going to be fixed(When will I be able to use crossbows and do more than 12 damage?).
• While they seem to have trouble patching the game, they do not seem to have trouble releasing DLC for the game, showing their true colours(or so it would seem).

I have no doubt DA2 will be a good game...i just don't think it will be "origins" good. Maybe a rental, but we'll have to wait and see.

[_Dejanus]

To clarify, I did not say that complaints were not everyones right, I do however have issue with their tone and, in some cases, level of actual voracity. If the ME-style main character destroys your interest in the game, certainly you have the right to protest. However attempting to boycott the game based on percieved gameplay changes we as of yet know little definitive information on is not a right, and is something I cannot abide. I am not coming out in support of the changes, if you believe I am you did not read what I wrote. I simply wish to help maintain a more reasonable and healthy tone of debate.

[Ahzrei]

I don't think they should have made the forum/announcement until they were ready to tell us something worth knowing.





They knew it would inspire and foster this behavior from forum-goers before they decided to go this route.



I can only think that they have a reason for doing it this way based on information that I'm not privy to.





That being said, I'm going to buy the game.

[Valmy]

Davasar wrote...
I am one of the many who will not purchase the game because the choices were taken away from what DAO had.

Just to clarify they gave you a last name in DAO as well so the only choice they took away was the race choice.  If that is enough to have you decide not to buy it I understand.

[Vaern Sul]

The thing is, for people to "adopt" a pre-made character as their own, this character must either be downright charismatic or have an enticing backstory. I'll take the upcoming Deus Ex : Human revolution's protagonist (Adam Jensen) as an example for the first, and Geralt of Rivia, from The Witcher's universe, for the second.



If you've seen DX:HR trailer, you were probably thinking "I wanna be that guy" after seeing A.Jensen : He has neat biomechanic arms, a nice pointy beard, a cool black coat,a deep, cool voice actor and CSI-worthy sunglasses. That character was designed to be stunningly cool, so that people would feel "o yay" while playing him.



Geralt of Rivia is a completely different matter. This guy is a mutant whose job is to defend people who despise him, neither completely human nor non-human, in the edge of two side that are sworn to destroy one another. He's got a deep backstory in the form of 4 novel and 2 series of shortstories, written by the Polish A.Sapkowski a few decades ago. When you play the Witcher, you feel attached to the depth of this character, and try to resolves the different choices thinking "what would I really do if I were him" (without any sorts of paragon/renegade nonsense, but I digress)



To the point : If bioware succeed to make Hawke geniunely cool to play or give him/her a truely interesting, deep backstory (or better yet : Both !), with interesting twists of the story revolving around him/her (and no paragon/renegade nonse..ahem), then Dragon Age 2 will be a good game, even though not very similar to the first.



If not, it will end up as a Mass Dragon Effect of Ages, with not enough personalization to make it "your" character, and too much to make it a "anchored in the universe", cool character.

Let's face it: In ME, Shepard only felt a connection with his/her vague past in the form of some aditionnal line in a couple of quest, and at best an e-mail in ME2.

[BLunted]

_Dejanus wrote...

To clarify, I did not say that complaints were not everyones right, I do however have issue with their tone and, in some cases, level of actual voracity. If the ME-style main character destroys your interest in the game, certainly you have the right to protest. However attempting to boycott the game based on percieved gameplay changes we as of yet know little definitive information on is not a right, and is something I cannot abide. I am not coming out in support of the changes, if you believe I am you did not read what I wrote. I simply wish to help maintain a more reasonable and healthy tone of debate.

I agree with you, just saying that I understand where people are coming from. Expecting people on the interwebs to act rationally is just not going to happen, lol.

Ahzrei wrote...

I don't think they should have made the forum/announcement until they were ready to tell us something worth knowing.


They knew it would inspire and foster this behavior from forum-goers before they decided to go this route.

I can only think that they have a reason for doing it this way based on information that I'm not privy to.


That being said, I'm going to buy the game.

I agree, I would rather have not known then get an announcement with little to no information. It's not like we didn't know there was going to be a DA2 after a game called "Origins".

[Fraevar]

Vaern Sul wrote...

The thing is, for people to "adopt" a pre-made character as their own, this character must either be downright charismatic or have an enticing backstory. I'll take the upcoming Deus Ex : Human revolution's protagonist (Adam Jensen) as an example for the first, and Geralt of Rivia, from The Witcher's universe, for the second.

If you've seen DX:HR trailer, you were probably thinking "I wanna be that guy" after seeing A.Jensen : He has neat biomechanic arms, a nice pointy beard, a cool black coat,a deep, cool voice actor and CSI-worthy sunglasses. That character was designed to be stunningly cool, so that people would feel "o yay" while playing him.

Geralt of Rivia is a completely different matter. This guy is a mutant whose job is to defend people who despise him, neither completely human nor non-human, in the edge of two side that are sworn to destroy one another. He's got a deep backstory in the form of 4 novel and 2 series of shortstories, written by the Polish A.Sapkowski a few decades ago. When you play the Witcher, you feel attached to the depth of this character, and try to resolves the different choices thinking "what would I really do if I were him" (without any sorts of paragon/renegade nonsense, but I digress)

To the point : If bioware succeed to make Hawke geniunely cool to play or give him/her a truely interesting, deep backstory (or better yet : Both !), with interesting twists of the story revolving around him/her (and no paragon/renegade nonse..ahem), then Dragon Age 2 will be a good game, even though not very similar to the first.

If not, it will end up as a Mass Dragon Effect of Ages, with not enough personalization to make it "your" character, and too much to make it a "anchored in the universe", cool character.
Let's face it: In ME, Shepard only felt a connection with his/her vague past in the form of some aditionnal line in a couple of quest, and at best an e-mail in ME2.

Well said. This is the core of my frustration regarding ME2 as well as DA2. I want an actual character for a protagonist, if they're going to do full VO, not just some cardboard-cutout template. And yes, I do believe that the ME2 approach to Dragon Age would destroy much of what makes the universe interesting.

[maretti77]

People siriusly have anyone actually seen any gameplay? no didnt think so. give bioware a chance, they havent dissapointed so far.

[Principia76]

maretti77 wrote...

People siriusly have anyone actually seen any gameplay? no didnt think so. give bioware a chance, they havent dissapointed so far.

No male same sex romance options in any of their games really, that's pretty disappointing to me.

[BLunted]

maretti77 wrote...

People siriusly have anyone actually seen any gameplay? no didnt think so. give bioware a chance, they havent dissapointed so far.

Couldn't help but noticing your profile is not linked to Awakening...explains why you still have confidence, hehe

[Anathemic]

DA:O i had origin stories and no VO to make me really immerse myself into my character, it added replay value and each character was different from each other, the possibilities are really endless.



DA2 takes away the origin stories and 'thrusts' you into the role of a human protagonist known as Hawke, taking away a main part(s) of the customization process.



DA2 forces VO on the character, eliminating most of the immersion process that we have experienced in DA:O.



We wanted a sequel to DA:O not a revamp of the Dragon Age story/game/experience as we know it.

[q0rra]

Maybe I should start a boycott group so I can go to BioWare and play the game for myself. Just like with Left 4 Dead 2.

[Brockololly]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

That means recognizing that while everyone has a right to an opinion, they don't have the right to state bizarre interpretations as fact, or to make things up.

I'm looking at it like this: Thus far the info we've gotten from the EA press release, Game Informer and the DA2 site is all talking in EXTREME exaggerated marketing hyperbole. Like how DA2 will  "revolutionize the genre" and how Hawke is the most important character with the most important story in the history of all Thedas for all time.

If BioWare and EA want to talk hype in that extreme of terms then they should expect fans to respond with just as extreme voicing of their concerns given what little info they've made available.

Modifié par Brockololly, 09 juillet 2010 - 09:31 .

[Anathemic]

Brockololly wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...

That means recognizing that while everyone has a right to an opinion, they don't have the right to state bizarre interpretations as fact, or to make things up.

I'm looking at it like this: Thus far the info we've gotten from the EA press release, Game Informer and the DA2 site is all talking in EXTREME exaggerated marketing hyperbole. Like how DA2 will  "revolutionize the genre" and how Hawke is the most important character with the most important story in the history of all Thedas for all time.

If BioWare and EA want to talk hype in that extreme of terms then they should expect fans to respond with just as extreme voicing of their concerns given what little info they've made available.

QFT

[okiness]

I agree. I'm certainly not happy with the choices but...given my immense love for the first game and bioware's work, I'll wait longer for more information