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[chaos32679]

It's annoying that you cannot import your warden, that is the main force behind my pessimistic outlook on DA2. Its the same reason i didn't purchase any DLC that didn't further my character development.



Why start off a franchise one way (which was very well received), and then change to something else? I just don't get their (Bioware) logic...

[Lord_Saulot]

chaos32679 wrote...

It's annoying that you cannot import your warden, that is the main force behind my pessimistic outlook on DA2. Its the same reason i didn't purchase any DLC that didn't further my character development.

Why start off a franchise one way (which was very well received), and then change to something else? I just don't get their (Bioware) logic...

Bioware never started the franchise intending that it would be about your Warden.  That's just one game, while they created a wider world that was intended to have more characters and stories in it.

[chaos32679]

Agreed, but why leave so many plot lines unresolved? DA:O was begging for a sequel ...

[UberDuber]

Oh yeah everybody just act as if you love the game! and Bioware / EA will do more of this in the future!



Ok Bioware I would like to say I love the thought of Dragon age 2 taking away my choices. I love that my choices are being made for me. I love that you have already picked a name for me "Hawke" >.< I love that he will have a deep american voice! ( MOST LIKELY ) I love that you made it look like fable I love that cheesy stuff!



10 steps back 1 step forward eh?

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[Greenface21]

 ninja edited!

Many of the plotlines that are left do not have to resolved by the warden specifically. Its really hard to judge what kind of content DA2 has from just a web page and a few pictures. I hope we get more info with the upcoming trailer.

Modifié par Greenface21, 09 juillet 2010 - 09:59 .

[chaos32679]

Only 10 steps back?



If they had started the franchise like this, fine, but they didn't. It wasn't as if DA:O didn't sell well for hem or wasn't well liked, so making the change to this format doesn't make sense to me.



I want to play MY CHARACTER... Not this effing Hawke guy...

[Riona45]

Davasar wrote...
That deep game immerison comes from the very start of character creation. Without choice of race, name/etc, the immersion for many people is a non-starter.

Hawke is the PC's last name--you get to choose the first name.  You couldn't choose your last name in DA:O either.

I don't feel the anger that many people here do (I actually am happy about the changes), but the anger is understandable.  Whenever elements of a franchise are changed, some people are going to feel alienated.  And I've been in that position before--when the Forgotten Realms underwent radical changes for 4th edition D&D, I was in the "now it sucks" crowd, so the arguments on both sides here feel familiar to me.

It's just that in this case, I don't think things like a fully-voiced PC take away immersion.  Maybe my DA character is more "mine" than Shepard, but not *that* much more.  If you look closely, a lot of the "choice" in DA is really just the illusion of choice.  The fact that the game *gives* you an origin to play through (and "only" six of them to choose from) is itself an example of how you can't just be whatever you want.  Right *there*, the game choose tighter storytelling over "let the player imagine what their past is."  I loved many of the dialogue options in DA, but, just like in ME, there are many times when all choices lead to the NPC making the same reply, with perhaps a few variations.

Not saying this to convince people that their wrong, just offering my own take.

[Chuvvy]

If I used reason more often, my life would be allot less interesting. I wouldn't go out and get shot by a small ball filled with paint going 300 feet per second, for fun.

[maretti77]

BLunted wrote...

maretti77 wrote...

People siriusly have anyone actually seen any gameplay? no didnt think so. give bioware a chance, they havent dissapointed so far.

Couldn't help but noticing your profile is not linked to Awakening...explains why you still have confidence, hehe

Ï have awakening, but i never bothered to link it, and on a side note: I think that awakening is a good game, short but still good.

[MaaZeus]

odiedragon wrote...

Maybe for some people.  But for me, I know all I need to know.

- The format will be significantly different from DA:O.  They are leaving behind the classic RPG for crowd-pleasing "cinematics"

- The PC will be Shepard with a Sword, and not a character that is influenced by the player's imagination.

Based on those two factors alone, I am no longer intersted in purchasing this game.  These are not assumptions or speculations, as many have insunated.  It is what we have been told by Bioware.

The open-ended feel and ability to influence events in different ways is what I loved about DA:O.  And a tight-scripted ME2 type storyline, no matter how well written, is not that.

I said this in another thread. Being forced to one character does NOT mean game will be a piperun without ability to influence events. Hell, go play Witcher. You are one character with very big background story, but still the game is very open ended, you can influence the story and characters a lot.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 10 juillet 2010 - 01:36 .

[tbsking]

The part about one forced character worries me, not because I'm afraid of being railroaded - there are plenty of good RPGs that do that - but because I care a lot about my Warden. I've allowed myself to become emotionally invested in him and the things that happen to him. The plot threads left dangling are of a personal nature for him, and having them solved in any manner by a different character in a different game is rather insulting and, really, a cheap way to handle things.

[alexmasterson123]

DA:2 - is the story of Hawke.

DA:3 - Will see the return of the Warden, and everyone will say FFS, we wanted moar Hawke.

Edit: Although, this does raise an interesting question about further games in the franchise - now that they've introduced the 'voiced protaganist', I can see a lot of people viewing a return to a voiceless PC a major step backwards...

Modifié par alexmasterson123, 10 juillet 2010 - 04:56 .

[ioruweroulfdkjsf]

_Dejanus wrote...

Please note before I begin, I am not making any judgement on DA2 itself but instead just addressing, in my own way, a disturbing amount of discontent that I feel is unwarranted at least and downright improper and disrespectful at most.

DA2 has barely been official for 24 hours and already the the same waves of vigorous argument at bursting forth about changes to the formula, these mainly being in a more restricted method of character creation and custumization. If this bothers you, you have a right to discuss the changes and, yes, have a negative opinion.

I write this to those who have, at this ludicrously early stage aready vowed( most in vain I am sure) to not purchase or even to actively boycott the game. If you have reason, you must see that this is surely not warranted or wise. It is far too early and not enough information is available to make such a decision or vow and doing so will only inspire unnessesary argument and strife on this forum and elsewhere.

I simply don't want a repeat of the complaint storm after and before the release of ME2. Wait for information, then form an educated opinioon, and even then keep a level head about your complaints.

I will likely be ignored, but I thought that if I could prevent even a little of what I am already beginning to see, I would have done some good. Thank you for reading.

  If this is any help, I'm definitely onboard with boycotting this POS 
I want my character back as well as the old companions.   My biggest peeve with this new game is that it's called time and time again a sequel!!! NO IT IS NOT A SEQUEL BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PREQUEL!!!!  I think we should spend our money on dictionaries for Bioware instead of this dumb game.   I just cannot believe what they have done to this game. For me it has gone to complete enjoyment to hatred!!!  If they're looking for the same success that DAO had they will not get it because it is not even remotely the same game anymore. We've lost the whole concept of choices, consecuences and freedom in the game. We are forced to play some human named Hawke.  And we are supposed to be happy with this? Bioware, you've ruined the game by trying to make it a ME game! AS I HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IF  I WANTED TO PLAY ME, THEN I WOUL'VE BOUGHT THE GAME. I WANT DRAGON AGE BACK, NOT SOME CRAPPY SO CALLED SEQUEL

[ioruweroulfdkjsf]

alexmasterson123 wrote...

DA:2 - is the story of Hawke.

DA:3 - Will see the return of the Warden, and everyone will say FFS, we wanted moar Hawke.

Edit: Although, this does raise an interesting question about further games in the franchise - now that they've introduced the 'voiced protaganist', I can see a lot of people viewing a return to a voiceless PC a major step backwards...

  
I WILL NEVER say I want more Hawke.  I don't even want to aknowledge his insignificant existence! 

[ioruweroulfdkjsf]

chaos32679 wrote...

Agreed, but why leave so many plot lines unresolved? DA:O was begging for a sequel ...

I'm begging for a sequel!! DA2 is not a sequel it's a ****ing POS game posing as ME!

[ioruweroulfdkjsf]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

chaos32679 wrote...

It's annoying that you cannot import your warden, that is the main force behind my pessimistic outlook on DA2. Its the same reason i didn't purchase any DLC that didn't further my character development.

Why start off a franchise one way (which was very well received), and then change to something else? I just don't get their (Bioware) logic...

Bioware never started the franchise intending that it would be about your Warden.  That's just one game, while they created a wider world that was intended to have more characters and stories in it.

oh really? Then please do explain the blurb at the end of Awakening stating that my adventure is far from over?  As of DA2 it looks pretty ****ing over to me!  

[BLunted]

maretti77 wrote...

BLunted wrote...

maretti77 wrote...

People siriusly have anyone actually seen any gameplay? no didnt think so. give bioware a chance, they havent dissapointed so far.

Couldn't help but noticing your profile is not linked to Awakening...explains why you still have confidence, hehe

Ï have awakening, but i never bothered to link it, and on a side note: I think that awakening is a good game, short but still good.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Awakening actually made me irate. Never felt like such a sucker before and is the main reason I am skeptical.

I truly hope Bioware redeem themselves with DA2.

Modifié par BLunted, 10 juillet 2010 - 10:11 .

[ioruweroulfdkjsf]

maretti77 wrote...

People siriusly have anyone actually seen any gameplay? no didnt think so. give bioware a chance, they havent dissapointed so far.

 
I think trusting people who call this game a sequel don't deserve a chance but rather a lesson on vocabulary.
A sequel relates to a prequel, do you see any of our customized characters anywhere? NO? well neither do I but I do see some douche named Hawke who clearly belongs in a ME game not a DA.
DA does not = ME but DA2=ME.....do you see the difference between the two now?  THEY'RE NOT EQUIVALENT!!!!

[alickar]

if there wsnt change wed be cavemen n thats the same for games

[TiaraBlade]

Just agreeing with the OP. It seems like there are far more people upset and declaring that DA2 is DOA rather than being excited that the epic shall continue.



I will admit that I am not happy that it will be a new character rather than my Warden BUT at the same time there are many, many stories in Thedas and the Champion's tale sounds epic. I do hope that either a DAO:2 or new DLC comes out to continue the Warden's tale but I suspect that we will all be shocked at how incredible the Champion's story is.



side note: wouldn't it just be awesome if DA2 can read your DAO data and insert your warden for an epic rescue at some point? The Warden and Champion side by side, decimating anyone fool enough to take them on.



Also, I would like to know why make the character human only. I'd rather play an elf but I suspect it will be a small price as well there will be a good reason to be human only.

[javierabegazo]

For the sake of the sheer amount of dev posts and likeness in topics, please move discussion here

http://social.biowar...index/3085178/6