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[yasuraka.hakkyou]

My musings and such.

I'm slightly ashamed that it took me this long to think of this following part.

So this Hawke is apparently the most important person in the entire history of the Dragon Age world / lore / history etc, or he / she's the most important person in the Age, the Dragon Age (http://gameinformer....flight.aspx     Last paragraph, second sentence).

For the first option, that's a mighty bold claim. Apparently Andraste, the Tevinter Mages that created the darkspawn and banished the Maker (supposedly), the Wardens who have killed the Archdemons, and the many kings and queens of all the countries pale  in comparison to this Hawke. Yet he flees from Lothering and becomes the Champion of a town. A town. Not a country's Hero, like our Wardens, a town's  hero. Our Wardens saved a country, and by extension, at least a few more, from being destroyed and having everyone murdered. You could argue that our wardens may have saved Thedas itself (that's their Earth, right?) by stopping the Blight.

And yet this guy or girl is more BA? You're making some mighty bold claims, Bioware. Plus this is reeking of Fable II, and I personally found that game a piece of sh--.

I admit, I'm vaguely intrigued by that Fable-ness, but it's more the concept of it at this point. I am not happy with the voice acting and human restrictions, though. Takin' away our choices, Bioware.

forumites, ignore or flame at your leisure. I mainly wanted to get out the thoughts about the "BA"-ness of Hawke.

Modifié par yasuraka.hakkyou, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:31 .

[Lord_Saulot]

The resemblence to Fable is only in the most generic, archetypical way.



Also, the fact that he becomes the "Champion of Kirkwall" does not indicate that that is all he does, or why he is the most important character.

[Dileos]

He's a typical mary sue character. Little boy flees from monsters that destroy his town and then embarks on a rags to riches story to become the most important person in history by becoming champion of a town named after Captain Kirk thats located in the middle of Butt-F*ck nowhere over the course of a a decade.



Excellent story writing Bioware, oh how the mighty have fallen.

[Tiuwaz]

remember dragon age is only 100 years in the history of thedas, so he'd be the most important guy of that age. which is still a bold claim as our warden stopped a blight in the same age

[Giltspur]

Well, if Hawke's greatest accomplishment is becoming champion of a town, then, yeah, that wouldn't be all that impressive. But given the ten year frame, it's unlikely that that's all he does.

It's hard for me to speculate on the story though. We don't anything about the villain. Hawke's BA factor could be helped by a competent foe working against him. That was an area where DAO was lacking. The Archdemon is interesting in that there were mysteries surrounding the Darkspawn. But he had all the characterization of Godzilla. Screeeeech, stomp, stomp, stomp. So you know that wasn't too exciting. Logain could have been good, but his goodness is mostly in books and in gamers heads as opposed to the actual game.  (And what is good and in the game comes at the wrong time for the player.  After he's in your party.  Right before he dies. In a DLC, etc.)

So, yeah, I'm curious to see what's going on in the Free Marches that warrants setting a game there.

Modifié par Giltspur, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:15 .

[Dick Delaware]

Dileos wrote...

He's a typical mary sue character. Little boy flees from monsters that destroy his town and then embarks on a rags to riches story to become the most important person in history by becoming champion of a town named after Captain Kirk thats located in the middle of Butt-F*ck nowhere over the course of a a decade.

Excellent story writing Bioware, oh how the mighty have fallen.

Yeah, man am I tired of the whole "hero rises up from humble beginnings to save the world" type story. Get a new schtick.

[Lord_Saulot]

Dick Delaware wrote...

Dileos wrote...

He's a typical mary sue character. Little boy flees from monsters that destroy his town and then embarks on a rags to riches story to become the most important person in history by becoming champion of a town named after Captain Kirk thats located in the middle of Butt-F*ck nowhere over the course of a a decade.

Excellent story writing Bioware, oh how the mighty have fallen.

Yeah, man am I tired of the whole "hero rises up from humble beginnings to save the world" type story. Get a new schtick.

Considering that that was the stated reason for not developing the Human Commoner origin in DAO, it should be clear to anyone that they are planning to do more with it than that...

...and it said nothing about him saving a world, did it?

[Lord Gremlin]

"Champion of Kirkwall"

...2 chickens away from Fable 2.

[Dileos]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

Dick Delaware wrote...

Dileos wrote...

He's a typical mary sue character. Little boy flees from monsters that destroy his town and then embarks on a rags to riches story to become the most important person in history by becoming champion of a town named after Captain Kirk thats located in the middle of Butt-F*ck nowhere over the course of a a decade.

Excellent story writing Bioware, oh how the mighty have fallen.

Yeah, man am I tired of the whole "hero rises up from humble beginnings to save the world" type story. Get a new schtick.

Considering that that was the stated reason for not developing the Human Commoner origin in DAO, it should be clear to anyone that they are planning to do more with it than that...

...and it said nothing about him saving a world, did it?

Exactly. Lets scrap the Human Commoner origin for being a bad idea in Origins( and it WAS a bad idea) and bring it back as the ONLY origin in the sequel.

Once again, nice idea Bioware...

Modifié par Dileos, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:19 .

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

Waitaminute! Didn't they CUT the commoner origin BECUSE it was the "hero rises up from humble beginnings to save the world" type story?! Damn it Bioware, damn it...

Edit: Late.

Modifié par DrunkDeadman, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:21 .

[nuclearpengu1nn]

i am guessing that Hawke was only a child when he fled Lothering

[Dileos]

GreyWarden36 wrote...

i am guessing that Hawke was only a child when he fled Lothering

No, he has a super evil twin brother or something, just watch...

[Leeaire]

You probably have to take care of the Old God baby then make a choice of whether or not to turn it into an archdemon or have it destroy something rather sacred in the Chantry's eyes. I dunno...thats what I'm thinking.

[yasuraka.hakkyou]

yf2489 wrote...

I guess i'm the only one who really doesnt mind not playing our wardens from DA:O.

I don't mind either. Stories have to end at some point, despite anyone's moaning or bi-ching.

Lord_Saulot, Giltspur: I admit, I'm only going off of what we know, and who knows? maybe he sires every ruling familly for every country in the next age. What we do know, is that he's the Hero of Kirkwall, and that he's more important than most or all of the people I listed. So far, I ain't buying this story, Bioware. Fleeing a doomed town does not a BA make.

Tiuwaz: I find the specified sentence in the link rather vague, so that's why I said  either / or (the entire history, or just the age).

Modifié par yasuraka.hakkyou, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:30 .

[iTomes]

maybe hawk will unite the free marches?

[Master Shiori]

yasuraka.hakkyou wrote...

My musings and such.

I'm slightly ashamed that it took me this long to think of this following part.

So this Hawke is apparently the most important person in the entire history of the Dragon Age world / lore / history etc, or he / she's the most important person in the Age, the Dragon Age (http://gameinformer....flight.aspx     Last paragraph, second sentence).

For the first option, that's a mighty bold claim. Supposedly Andraste, the Tevinter Mages that created the darkspawn and banished the Maker (supposedly), the Wardens who have killed the Archdemons, and the many kings and queens of all the countries pale  in comparison to this Hawke. Yet he flees from Lothering and becomes the Champion of a town. A town. Not a country's Hero, like our Wardens, a town's  hero. Our Wardens saved a country, and by extension, at least a few more, from being destroyed and having everyone murdered. You could argue that our wardens may have saved Thedas itself (that's their Earth, right?) by stopping the Blight.

And yet this guy or girl is more BA? You're making some mighty bold claims, Bioware. Plus this is reeking of Fable II, and I personally found that game a piece of sh--.

I admit, I'm vaguely intrigued by that Fable-ness, but it's more the concept of it at this point. I am not happy with the voice acting and human restrictions, though. Takin' away our choices, Bioware.

forumites, ignore or flame at your leisure. I mainly wanted to get out the thoughts about the "BA"-ness of Hawke.

That's my biggest problem with DA2 so far.

Why on earth did they go and make a stupid statement like that? Why couldn't they let the fans themselves decide how important a character or the story are after they played the game?

This is not only a slap in the face for all our Wardens from Origins, but also demeaning to all the future DA games.
What's the point in playing those when DA2 itself is supposed to be "the most important story in DA"?
What does that make future DA titles? Leftovers?

Personally, I'm hoping the whole "DA2 is the most important story and Hawke the most important character in DA" are just overdone marketing hype.
Because I find the fact that Bioware might be trying to decide how important a certain character or story is supposed to be for me truly disturbing.

[Ulicus]

GreyWarden36 wrote...

i am guessing that Hawke was only a child when he fled Lothering

I suspect the same. He probably spent ten years of his life pushing a big wheel in the desert, too.

Hawke: Maker, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No
one, not even you, will remember if we were good men or bad. Why we
fought, or why we died. All that matters is that two stood against
many. That's what's important! Valor pleases you, Maker... so grant me
one request. Grant me revenge! And if you do not listen, then to the FADE
with you!

It's worth pointing out, however, that "most important" isn't the same thing as "most powerful" or "most heroic"... and that there are difference kinds of importance.

iTomes wrote...

maybe hawk will unite the free marches?

This seems likely and, honestly, is the sort of story I'm hoping for....

Modifié par Ulicus, 09 juillet 2010 - 09:16 .

[Dileos]

I'm detecting a huge cluster-f*ck in this game, and its role in the Dragon Age lore. 

Modifié par Dileos, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:37 .

[yasuraka.hakkyou]

Feel free to chime in Bioware.

[Dennis Carpenter]

Master Shiori wrote:

That's my biggest problem with DA2 so far.

Why on earth did
they go and make a stupid statement like that? Why couldn't they let the
fans themselves decide how important a character or the story are after
they played the game?

This is not only a slap in the face for
all our Wardens from Origins, but also demeaning to all the future DA
games.
What's the point in playing those when DA2 itself is supposed
to be "the most important story in DA"?
What does that make future
DA titles? Leftovers?

Personally, I'm hoping the whole "DA2 is
the most important story and Hawke the most important character in DA"
are just overdone marketing hype.
Because I find the fact that
Bioware might be trying to decide how important a certain character or
story is supposed to be for me truly disturbing. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png

 Dont worry too much I am sure someone will come up with a mod that will allow our current wardens to **** slap hawk all day long. It willl probably set a record for mod downloads.

[Korva]

I like the idea of the protagonist driving the story. Maybe that will give us more meaningful choices, with meaningful consequences, and a better exploration of the main character than past games had. And watching "your" own town grow and change could be fun, too.

BUT and yes this is a BIG but: why does the protagonist sound like such a frickin' Sue again?! "Change the face of the world!" -- "The most important person in Thedas!" Blah blah blah. I don't want that. I don't want another game that wanks my ego from start to finish. I don't want to be a demigod. I don't want to be ZOMGWTFBBQSPESHULLOLOLOL.

Champion of a town is more than good enough. Doesn't have to be goddamn Superman pissing champaigne and crapping platinum and with ten billion suns shining out of his arse when he does so.

Modifié par Korva, 09 juillet 2010 - 08:44 .

[Dick Delaware]

Korva, I agree with you fully and I really hope that the little blurb you mentioned is just PR bullsh*t at it's finest and nothing like the final product. I am sick to death of saving the world - there are way more possibilities to make a convincing storyline with visible consequences if you don't have to tether yourself to this Chosen One nonsense, it's so predictable.