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[Narzon]

I know there are probably already dozens of topics about this, but I had to voice this myself.

When I first became a gamer, I always thought the most important aspect of any game was... well.. gameplay.
I didn't feel differently until I picked up KOTOR, and then later Mass Effect. Though both have their flaws, glitches, etc., I still consider them some of my favorite games. Especially Mass Effect. That's the only game I've ever gotten 100% achievements on. Just because I love it.

I heard about Dragon Age just a week before it came out. I saw that Blood Dragon Armor, and knew that Bioware wouldn't let me down anyways, so I picked up a copy. Not an easy decision, since I'll be the only person I know who won't spend the next month or two on Modern Warfare 2, but I digress. After playing for 2 days, I was hooked. The story is amazing, and after beating it twice, I'm still astounded to the attention to detail and the real weight behind every decision.

But thought the entire story already enthralled me, the Morrigan story was the first time in my entire video game career that I actually felt.. well... sad.
I went away from finishing the game with a sense of emptiness, loneliness, betrayal. It sounds ridiculous, but I won't deny. Morrigan's story is a tragedy no matter how you look at it, and it should be that way. The hopelessness in the ending, even the best of the endings (sensing her via the ring) is so well defined. Bioware knew those of us who delved into Morrigan's character would try their hardest to get a happy ending, and they denied us.
And that just shows the genius behind the company.


I gotta know, was anyone else touched by her character as I was?
I know many others are just as fond of other characters, like Leliana and Alistair, and I'd be an idiot to deny that they are deep, well-crafted characters. But are there others who went down the Morrigan road, and felt the same depressed-enthralled emotions as I did?
Discuss, thanks.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

I saw it as a happy ending, but then I was playing as a female Warden, so it's different I'm sure since I obviously didn't romance her.



To me it was my character helping her friend accomplish her own goals, and her leaving was fine because she had said that she'd always cherish my friendship. I gave her her child and let her go as a way of saying thank you, and a way of saving my own life as well.

[MrGOH]

Well, you forced Alistair to give the lying swamp witch a god child to do with as she pleases. I don't think that's a very happy ending.

[Narzon]

Wow, and here I didn't even consider her story from a female character's point of view. How narrow-minded of me, heh.

I'd imagine it would be a lot more about helping out a friend, and less about betrayal.

Cool, thanks for your input.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

MrGOH wrote...

Well, you forced Alistair to give the lying swamp witch a god child to do with as she pleases. I don't think that's a very happy ending.

I didn't force him. I said one line about it being a good idea and he said okay.  And the look on his face during the scene makes me think he really didn't care...


As for Morrigan having a god child... Well, I think she deserved it.
And what did Morrigan lie about?

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 10 novembre 2009 - 04:57 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I understand you completely bro.

"I went away from finishing the game with a sense of emptiness, loneliness, betrayal."

That's exactly what happened to me. And when the song hit (the woman's voice) when I was reading how Morrigan was thinking about the PC and was sad, I had tears in my eyes. Which doesn't happen often.
Sigh, just talking about it makes me feel depressed.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 10 novembre 2009 - 04:58 .

[Benndak]

I must admit, it wasn't very cheerful - however, it must be said that it was absolutely brilliant. Bioware can do whatever they want with the gameplay, I'd buy their games just because their storytelling is immersive in ways no other games can replicate. And for that matter, the gameplay's pretty awesome too.

[Toom316]

I found her story very interesting. Even more so as I do more thinking about the backstory that revolves around her and Flem.



I am fairly certain and safe in saying that I do believe Flem is some sort of Archdemon / god. The information that you are given is that she is very old and lives that long by changing from one host to the next. In essence this is alot like how a Archdemon lives forever. When you kill it, it moves onto a new host with the only exception being that it can not move into a demon host.



So I do believe that the child Morrigan now carries at the end will be a host for Flem in the future. We never know for certain if Morrigan is a child of Flem or not since all Morrigan ever diggs down to is that Flem raised her but never says much more then that in that department.



What might be interesting to find out in the future is that both Morrigan and Flem are some sort of God / Archdemon. Now that would be a twist worth exploring into. We know Morrigan and Flem are not going to just die off, so if the next expansion has any means to pickup and carry on the story it would be cool to pick it up as the child of Morrigan. 0.0 (I would if they would ever go in that direction..)

[MrGOH]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

MrGOH wrote...

Well, you forced Alistair to give the lying swamp witch a god child to do with as she pleases. I don't think that's a very happy ending.

I didn't force him. I said one line about it being a good idea and he said okay.  And the look on his face during the scene makes me think he really didn't care...


As for Morrigan having a god child... Well, I think she deserved it.
And what did Morrigan lie about?

She withheld that the entire purpose of her accompanying you was to produce a god child for Flemeth. And then she has you kill Flemeth, who probably would have been much more interested in possessing the god child than Morrigan. And now she has Flemeth's  grimoires and exclusive control over said god child. Who knows what she's up to. I don't trust her mainly based on the fact that throughout the game she seems to be a big fan of demonic possession, except when it's an excuse to kill Circle mages. My male PC who was romancing her had very mixed feelings about letting her have the child. Mostly because as a dwarven noble warrior he believed he needed to be the power behind Alistair's and Anora's reign. He does plan to find Morrigan and discover what her plans truly are.

I actually don't think you're wrong - just that a  lot about Morrigan is left intentionally ambiguous. I love that there can be such competing interpretations, personally.

I didn't realize that it was so easy to make Alistair sleep with Morrigan. Huh - other threads made it out to be a really big deal.

[PMorgan18]

I had happy but sad at the same time ending. All my party survived, including PC and Alistair, but Morrigan still left. But thats not the saddest part. I kept the ring and when it said that I felt her sorrow and guilt for leaving me I was like WOW that hurts. I never felt this way after a game ever. All other games seem shallow compared to Dragon Age.



I have to say Bioware left room for a sequel by a long shot. The, well my, epilogue gave major hints like the last line.



"They parted ways....... For now."

Seeing that I cheered.

[Bonzaii123]

I liked Morrigan's character, but seeing as how what she's gonna do with that kid is no bueno makes me feel less sad for her.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Toom316 wrote...
So I do believe that the child Morrigan now carries at the end will be a host for Flem in the future. We never know for certain if Morrigan is a child of Flem or not since all Morrigan ever diggs down to is that Flem raised her but never says much more then that in that department.

There is one problem with that. Maybe flemeth wanted to take the child as a host (it was her plan afterall). But Morrigan betrayed her, because Flemeth also wanted to take Morrigan.
Did Morrigan betray Flem out oif self deffense? Or perhaps to possess the child as her own?

And, I don't htink it's possible to possess a God spirit. God spirits can move from one body to the other. But I don't think they can move to a body already inhabited by another god. Which means neither Flem nor Morrigan can possess the child. What I think / hope is that Morrigan simply wants to create the perfect being and revive (purify) the old Gods. Perhaps these Old Gods can destroy the blight.

And Morrigan is not a demon sympathiser. It's obvious when you let her go into the fade in the redcliff questline. She expressed her hatred for demons.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 10 novembre 2009 - 05:12 .

[Benndak]

Well, on the bright side, the trailers repeatedly call Dragon Age: Origins the first game in a "saga", which means there will almost certainly be a sequel. I do hope Bioware does something about Morrigan.

[MrGOH]

Or perhaps Morrigan hopes the child will be a tabula rasa with godlike powers upon which she can inscribe her own nefarious will. It's ambiguous. DA:O has one of the best endings I've seen in any video game.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

MrGOH wrote...

She withheld that the entire purpose of her accompanying you was to produce a god child for Flemeth. And then she has you kill Flemeth, who probably would have been much more interested in possessing the god child than Morrigan. And now she has Flemeth's  grimoires and exclusive control over said god child. Who knows what she's up to. I don't trust her mainly based on the fact that throughout the game she seems to be a big fan of demonic possession, except when it's an excuse to kill Circle mages. My male PC who was romancing her had very mixed feelings about letting her have the child. Mostly because as a dwarven noble warrior he believed he needed to be the power behind Alistair's and Anora's reign. He does plan to find Morrigan and discover what her plans truly are.

I actually don't think you're wrong - just that a  lot about Morrigan is left intentionally ambiguous. I love that there can be such competing interpretations, personally.

I didn't realize that it was so easy to make Alistair sleep with Morrigan. Huh - other threads made it out to be a really big deal.

Maybe my persuade skill was just really high...? I had 60+ cunning and all four skills, so it only took one persuade option to convince him, which was just asking him if he trusted me, which he did. End of.


I know Morrigan is self serving, and I know she withheld the information, but that's not lying.  She told me the plan before facing the archdemon, and gave me a choice in the matter, so it obviously wasn't too back-handed.

And I actually trust Morrigan to not be a completely evil *****.  This is based on the friendship dialogues and her stories.  The sound, the emotion, in her voice when she says "Though I may not always be worthy of your friendship, I will always cherish it." makes me 100% believe she's sincere in caring about me and not being evil.  That's coupled with the emotion of gifting her the mirror that resembled the one Flemeth smashed as a kid. She has a good soul despite how she was raised, and that shines through with abundant clarity imo, though it might be the voice actress's skill overpowering who the character was written to be; that I don't know.

So, yep, I trust her; I appreciate all she did, and I think she deserves the chance in this. Very much a happy ending for me, though it might lead to darker tales later on when this child grows up and what-not. But that's not part of this game, so dark potential does not overshadow the bright hope in letting Morrigan go.
The only thing I feel bad about is making Morrigan sleep with Alistair. Not that I dislike Alistair, but I don't think he's worthy.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 10 novembre 2009 - 05:15 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
 "Though I may not always be worthy of your friendship, I will always cherish it." makes me 100% believe she's sincere in caring about me and not being evil. 

The last line in Denerim for me was: "I will never forget you...my love". Which confirms your point. Plus in the epilogue, the PC feels Morrigan via the ring and he feels that she is in sorrow and regret.

And now that it occured to me. If Morrigan was planing this all along....why did she give us the ring? The ring could potentially be used to track one another. Although I was dissapointed that the ring only worked once. Maybe Morrigan threw it away? Hope not.
But it shows that there is a conflict in her. If she wanted to sperate forever, she wouldn't have given us the ring. 

[Benndak]

I wonder, if you give her the ring will you be able to track her down? Or is it bound to you, or something? I don't recall...

[Toom316]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Toom316 wrote...
So I do believe that the child Morrigan now carries at the end will be a host for Flem in the future. We never know for certain if Morrigan is a child of Flem or not since all Morrigan ever diggs down to is that Flem raised her but never says much more then that in that department.

There is one problem with that. Maybe flemeth wanted to take the child as a host (it was her plan afterall). But Morrigan betrayed her, because Flemeth also wanted to take Morrigan.
Did Morrigan betray Flem out oif self deffense? Or perhaps to possess the child as her own?

And, I don't htink it's possible to possess a God spirit. God spirits can move from one body to the other. But I don't think they can move to a body already inhabited by another god. Which means neither Flem nor Morrigan can possess the child. What I think / hope is that Morrigan simply wants to create the perfect being and revive (purify) the old Gods. Perhaps these Old Gods can destroy the blight.

And Morrigan is not a demon sympathiser. It's obvious when you let her go into the fade in the redcliff questline. She expressed her hatred for demons.

Well I don't think Morrigan betrayed Flem at all. It was all part of Flem's master plan from the very start. Even if you take the side quest to kill Flem, I imagine she becomes stored within the locket that Morrigan wants. I mean come on thats part of the reasion she wants the locket as far as what I got from it. I imagine its also why she carries her own half of it.

And I would have to replay it, but I am fairly certain that Morrigan mentions that the child can not / will not be harmed by taking in the Archdemon spirit. Something to do with the child not really being alive at that stage. By what she says it more leads me to believe that the child will have some sort of powers but not be controlled by the Archdemon in anyway. I mean why else would Morrigan agree to give birth to a child that will (in all intensive purposes) kill her when / after it is born.

Does make one wander why the Archdemon did not take Morrigan instead of the child within her? Is she already a demon / Archdemon? o.0

They leave alot open and I imagine its going to be a DLC point or an Expansion point somewhere in the Dragon Age history line.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

She doesn't give a female Warden any ring, so I don't know what you're talking about. Needless to say, it only makes me more certain that she is not evil or too much of a threat.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Toom316 wrote...
Well I don't think Morrigan betrayed Flem at all. It was all part of Flem's master plan from the very start. Even if you take the side quest to kill Flem, I imagine she becomes stored within the locket that Morrigan wants. I mean come on thats part of the reasion she wants the locket as far as what I got from it. I imagine its also why she carries her own half of it.

And I would have to replay it, but I am fairly certain that Morrigan mentions that the child can not / will not be harmed by taking in the Archdemon spirit. Something to do with the child not really being alive at that stage. By what she says it more leads me to believe that the child will have some sort of powers but not be controlled by the Archdemon in anyway. I mean why else would Morrigan agree to give birth to a child that will (in all intensive purposes) kill her when / after it is born.

Does make one wander why the Archdemon did not take Morrigan instead of the child within her? Is she already a demon / Archdemon? o.0

They leave alot open and I imagine its going to be a DLC point or an Expansion point somewhere in the Dragon Age history line.

Your speculation vis a vis Flem is interesting. But it is speculation. From what I udnerstand, Flemeth was planing to take Morrigan's body and Morrigan thus preempted.

Morrigan said that the child would become the vessel of the old gods, prior its corruption and turning into an Archdemon. Which means that the kid is not an Archdemon, but an old god. Perhaps that's the only way to truly end the darkspawn, to purify the old gods.

The Archdemon didn't possess Morrigan in the same way it didn't possess the other party members. And that's due to the ritual. It forces the Archdemon spirit into the kid....which is only a cell at that time.

[AustrianAndI]

I felt as though Morrigan's character was done beautifully. I also feel as though one would get the most out of the game playing through and romancing her, then later choosing to let her have the child I leave. I feel like that story line sets up for a very strong sequel, expansion, or otherwise continued story. There are so many places one could go with the story in regard to Morrigan. None of the other characters in the game offer anything near this amount of continued depth because most of their stories can be completed in the playthrough. Morrigan is unique because her tales lives on past the ending of the game..

If this has a sequel, I cant f-ing wait to see what's going down with Morrigan and my child. =D

Modifié par AustrianAndI, 10 novembre 2009 - 05:33 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

AustrianAndI wrote...

I felt as though Morrigan's character was done beautifully. I also feel as though one would get the most out of the game playing through and romancing her, then later choosing to let her have the child I leave. I feel like that story line sets up for a very strong sequel, expansion, or otherwise continued story. There are so many places one could go with the story in regard to Morrigan. None of the other characters in the game offer anything near this amount of continued depth because most of their stories can be completed in the playthrough. Morrigan is unique because her tales lives on past the ending of the game..

If this has a sequel, I cant f-ing wait to see what's going down with Morrigan and my child. =D

Yes there is no doubt that Morrigan is the star of the game. It's no coincidence that she features in the box cover.

[phoenixds24]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

She doesn't give a female Warden any ring, so I don't know what you're talking about. Needless to say, it only makes me more certain that she is not evil or too much of a threat.

As a male character romancing Morrigan, she'll eventually give you a ring that Flemeth was originally using to track Morrigan.  Morrigan fixes it so that she can always track you (she claims, in a not very convincing manner, that it's only to make sure you're safe since you dying would be very inconvenient, not because she's checking up on you and is concerned and all).  If you get the ring, it'll tell you in the epilogue that through the ring you can sense Morrigan's regret and sadness for leaving you.

[Faust6999]

Okay wait. Does she die or does she just leave the group permanently? I haven't gotten very far into the game yet.

[AustrianAndI]

Faust6999 wrote...

Okay wait. Does she die or does she just leave the group permanently? I haven't gotten very far into the game yet.

Then don't be readin' this thread!  Go back to playing and find out yourself, it'll be cooler that way.