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[Dileos]

From what I understand, Kirkwall is a major population center in the Freemarches. And Hawke becomes Champion of Kirkwall, so we can assume that plot of the game is essentially:

"what exactly Hawke does to earn the honorary title of Champion, however,
is up to you."

Which is all well and great. I remember become champion of a town in fable...and a few other games, but nevermind that. The story is also described as:

"This is the story of how the world changed forever. The legend of your
Rise to Power begins now."

So we can assume that Hawke is the Champion of Kirkwall, and that Hawke changed the world somehow, but this begs the question... What is so Important about Kirkwall that it is more Important than the ending of the Blight/Architects plans in Origins and Awekening?

[Valmy]

Dileos wrote...
From what I understand, Kirkwall is a major population center in the Freemarches. And Hawke becomes Champion of Kirkwall, so we can assume that plot of the game is essentially:

"what exactly Hawke does to earn the honorary title of Champion, however,
is up to you."

Where did you get this impression?

[Lord_Saulot]

Nothing.



There's no reason that becoming Champion of Kirkwall and changing the world forever are the same thing. They might be, or Champion of Kirkwall might be an identity that he earns early on, which is the beginning of his rise to power.

[Dileos]

Valmy wrote...

Dileos wrote...
From what I understand, Kirkwall is a major population center in the Freemarches. And Hawke becomes Champion of Kirkwall, so we can assume that plot of the game is essentially:

"what exactly Hawke does to earn the honorary title of Champion, however,
is up to you."

Where did you get this impression?

Its listed among the other "facts about Hawke". If its worthy enough to be on the list and no other possible plots have been revealed, then we can assume for the time being that this is the plot.

[Valmy]

Dileos wrote...
Its listed among the other "facts about Hawke". If its worthy enough to be on the list and no other possible plots have been revealed, then we can assume for the time being that this is the plot.

Yes I know he will be a "champion of Kirkwall" but that might be just like our character in DA:O was a "Grey Warden".  Becoming the Champion might just be part of the game.

[HoonDing]

This Kirkwall business brings back happy memories to the Bard's Tale, in which Kirkwall (capital of the Orkney Islands) featured prominently. Hopefully DA2 will feature this same tongue-in-cheek quest that made fun of all fantasy RPG clichés in the book, with brilliant voice-over by Tony Jay and Cary Elwes.

[sarlaac food]

maybe you'll unite the Free Marches?

[Dileos]

sarlaac food wrote...

maybe you'll unite the Free Marches?

Now that would be something worth putting down in a history book, and fighting eneimes other than darkspawn would be a relief.

[Master Shiori]

Dileos wrote...



From what I understand, Kirkwall is a major population center in the Freemarches. And Hawke becomes Champion of Kirkwall, so we can assume that plot of the game is essentially:

"what exactly Hawke does to earn the honorary title of Champion, however,
is up to you."

Which is all well and great. I remember become champion of a town in fable...and a few other games, but nevermind that. The story is also described as:

"This is the story of how the world changed forever. The legend of your
Rise to Power begins now."

So we can assume that Hawke is the Champion of Kirkwall, and that Hawke changed the world somehow, but this begs the question... What is so Important about Kirkwall that it is more Important than the ending of the Blight/Architects plans in Origins and Awekening?

That's the question now, isn't it?

Becoming the champion of Kirkwall might only be the first step in achieving some higher goal. What I'm curious about is how he's going to change the world?

We already saved Ferelden (and Thedas itself by extension) in Origins by stopping the Blight or "the greatest threat the world has ever seen" as the historians like to call them. We also helped choose the next king of Orzammar, saved the town of Redcliffe, stopped a potential demonic invasion in Circle Tower, stopped the civil war in Ferelden and choose it's next king/queen (or became prince-consort/queen) and (depending on our choices) became the only Grey Warden in history who survived slaying an Archdemon.
Not sure about you but becoming a champion of Kirkwall pales in comparison to all of that.

I have no problem with them saying we're supposed to do something important in the game or achieve some sort of destiny.
I do however resent the fact that Bioware themselves are trying to determine how important a certain story or character is supposed to be for me.
I prefer to draw my own conclusion on that after I've actually played the said game, thank you very much.

[Lurklen]

It doesn't seem to me like their saying Hawke is more important to the story of Origins than the warden was, but rather that historically Hawke is going to be very important to Thedas. Maybe through the course of the ten year story he will change something so big it affects the whole world for centuries to come.



I mean of course the warden did things like that, but most of the changes in DAO were around Ferelden. This Hawke fellow might do something that changes Thedas as a whole.

[Lady_Scarlett]

Has anyone thought of the possibility that Hawke's rise to power is more then just Kirkwall? Ten years take place over the story, so I highly doubt we'll take ten years to just become champion of Kirkwall (and from what I've read so far, it sounds like Hawke is ALREADY Champion of Kirkwall!)

Taken from the FIVE FACTS ABOUT HAWKE IN DRAGON AGE 2:  Hawke is the Champion of Kirkwall.

It doesn't say anything about becoming the Champion of Kirkwall, but sounds like s/he is already in that position. And also remember, even though the story is set in Kirkwall, it could be that Hawke is just using Kirkwall as a base of operations (if s/he is already Champion) for a larger movement, that could be for selfless, selfish, or revenge-driven reasons.

[SirOccam]

Lady_Scarlett wrote...

Has anyone thought of the possibility that Hawke's rise to power is more then just Kirkwall? Ten years take place over the story, so I highly doubt we'll take ten years to just become champion of Kirkwall (and from what I've read so far, it sounds like Hawke is ALREADY Champion of Kirkwall!)

Taken from the FIVE FACTS ABOUT HAWKE IN DRAGON AGE 2:  Hawke is the Champion of Kirkwall.

It doesn't say anything about becoming the Champion of Kirkwall, but sounds like s/he is already in that position. And also remember, even though the story is set in Kirkwall, it could be that Hawke is just using Kirkwall as a base of operations (if s/he is already Champion) for a larger movement, that could be for selfless, selfish, or revenge-driven reasons.

But keep in mind it also describes him as a "penniless refugee." Now I'm not saying being Champion of Kirkwall proves that he can't be penniless, but the whole idea of a "rise to power" is that you're not doing so well at the beginning.

My guess is that becoming Champion of Kirkwall is early on in the story. I think he'll arrive in Kirkwall and just get caught up in something, and manage to come out looking pretty heroic. But this'll just be setting the stage for the real story. Just speculation though. It just doesn't seem like they'd say "he is the Champion of Kirkwall" if that was the end of the game. Rather, it says he's destined to become pretty important world-wide, not just limited to one town in the Free Marches. So overall, I agree with you. Champion of Kirkwall is setting our sights way too low, IMO.

Modifié par SirOccam, 09 juillet 2010 - 11:02 .

[Dileos]

Wow I didn't think this would take off lol.



In all honesty I'm seeing this Hawke fellow as a typical fantasty mary sue. The whole premise for this game was more or less the basis of the human commoner origin that was scrapped, and for good reason I might add.



Hawke becoming Champion of Kirkwall may be a part of his rise to power, but many things in Origins were part of the Warden's rise to power and they weren't explicitly mentioned. So once again...whats so damn important about Hawke and Kirkwall?

[HighMoon]

What about Hawke's parents? Do you think s/he will just be a lone wolf in Kirkwall without any form of mother or father? Do you think s/he will have adoptive parents? Will s/he belong to an orphanage?

[Master Shiori]

From what we know so far, when he left Lothering and Ferelden he was old enough to fight. That would imply DA2 takes place shortly after his arrival in Free Marches.



And I agree with Dileos that Hawke is starting to sound like a Mary Sue. Right now we're supposed to accept him/her as the most important person in DA, yet they provide us with nothing to support that claim.

He's supposed to change the world? Ok, it's not like some of our choices in Origins and Awakening didn't have world changing consequences (creating a child with the soul of an Old God, helping free the darkspawn, etc.).



You could say that the Warden can become a Mary Sue as well, but we knew nothing about him/her before Origins and nobody told us what impact his/her actions would have on the world. We were free to play the game and draw our own conclusions, not have them forced down our throats as is the case with Hawke.



Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt he/she will turn out to be a great character or that DA2 will have an awesome story. But if they want me to accept him/her as "the most important character in DA, who's actions will change the world" (which is debatable considering all the other famous people from Thedas's history), then make sure I get such an impression from the game itself once I've played it. Not from some overdone marketing hype.

[highcastle]

Since the champion of Kirkwall part is being mentioned already, I'm leaning towards it being an early part of his characterization. Perhaps in the way our Origins characters were Wardens, Hawke is a champion. Of course, at these early stages all we're doing is speculating on very sparse pieces of information. We can easily be shot down with the next reveal.

As for what could be more important than the Blight...loads of things. And honestly, I'd be excited if we were moving away from the darkspawn a bit. The high point of DA:O for me was the Landsmeet, finally settling the business with Loghain. It was like playing a game version of an epic A Song Of Ice And Fire story. The blight was more generic good versus evil (at least until Awakening, which grayed the lines somewhat). If we get to deal with more politics and gray areas, so much the better. The wardens handle the blight and the darkspawn. If Hawke's not a warden, then he should really stay away from the darkspawn unless he wants to become tainted.

Of course, this is all guesswork, speculation, and fangirl hopes. Whatever the real story is, I'm still excited to see it.

[Gill Kaiser]

I think Hawke is a character akin to Calenhad or Conan. A great warrior who becomes a champion and then unites a nation. Maybe he'll even be an Alexander the Great-type character.

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 10 juillet 2010 - 11:45 .

[Stalky24]

From my POV, becoming Champion of Kirkwall is way to do the "Origin" of character and thats how we will be identified in the future. Since story of the game will take 10 years, I suppose it will be divided into smaller parts, like "Escape from Lothering", year later "Become Champion of Kirkwall" two years later, "Crazy Gray Warden found black haired witch and killed her and her baby. Investigate" year later "Alistair is worst king ever, kill him" etc...

[lv12medic]

You find out that the true power of the world comes from large box-mart stores and you name it SovereignCo and sell generic Kirkwall Signature brand merchandise throughout Thedas.



Anyways, more serious, I'm guessing Kirkwall becomes the center of some geo-political struggle and comes out on top, leading to a super-power kind of state or some nonsense like that.



Fail-humor again... it could be the location of Cobra Commander's secret base?

[Risax]

I think Kirkwall will get attacked by someone or something (probably early in game)
And Hawke guilt ridden about fleeing from Lothering decides saving Kirkwall is the best thing to do to repent for the dead of those peoplle.

Or something along the lines of that, he could also just be in the middle of it and ends it by accident.
(trying to flee 'again' killing everyone in his path and on of the people in his way just happens to be the leader of the attack).

And that probably sets the story for the rest of the game, I mean the Free Marches sound pretty unstable.
Maybe he will merge all cities and make it a real country with him as leader.

As for titles well some Hero's just have sh*tload of them.

Modifié par Risax, 10 juillet 2010 - 09:01 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

 Gaider just posted this on a different thread:

Nevarra is a separate place-- a nation that lies to the west of the Free Marches, between it and Orlais. The College of the Magi is in a city named Cumberland, in Nevarra.



Kirkwall is one of the Free Marches city-states that lies directly to the north of Ferelden, across the Waking Sea. It has an interesting background, which I'm sure we'll get into in more detail in the months to come.

Not terribly helpful, but interesting.

[ArcanistLibram]

Kirkwall is going to be a decrepit trade centre 40 years past its prime but that everyone outside the Free Marches keeps talking about because it was a popular trading hub back when their grandfathers were still traveling and nobody actually bothered to keep up with the times. All the real action is going to take place in Siskoland, but only people who live in the Free Marches know that.

[Risax]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

 Gaider just posted this on a different thread:

Nevarra is a separate place-- a nation that lies to the west of the Free Marches, between it and Orlais. The College of the Magi is in a city named Cumberland, in Nevarra.



Kirkwall is one of the Free Marches city-states that lies directly to the north of Ferelden, across the Waking Sea. It has an interesting background, which I'm sure we'll get into in more detail in the months to come.

Not terribly helpful, but interesting.

Woohoo David Gaider posted on my thread.
I am a happy fanboy

[rarune]

I think making Hawke the Champion of Kirkwall is just an easy way for everyone to know his name. That's just how BioWare does things, not that that's a bad thing.

They did the same thing with Shepard by making them become a Spectre, and they did the same thing with The Warden by putting them on the run from the law. Not only that, but The Warden is with Alistair, the illegitimate son of King Cailan.

Modifié par rarune, 10 juillet 2010 - 10:31 .