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[Yobani_P]

Because, we humans Are All Racists



End of the line.

[BLunted]

to save cash and cut corners

[Spartansfan8888]

I think a human is the best race for a "rise to power." Elves are considered 2nd class citizens for the most part and for me at least, being a dwarf made me feel out of place in human society. That isn't a big deal as a warden whose mission is to kill darkspawn but as an up and coming tyrant/benevolent leader being a human has its definite advantages.

[Hulk Hsieh]

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

I think a human is the best race for a "rise to power." Elves are considered 2nd class citizens for the most part and for me at least, being a dwarf made me feel out of place in human society. That isn't a big deal as a warden whose mission is to kill darkspawn but as an up and coming tyrant/benevolent leader being a human has its definite advantages.

Exactly.
Among 6 origns in DA:O, only one sort of had the change to get to power in the end.

[Krilral]

After you had finished your origin story in DA:O playing as different races pretty much just changed the look of your character so it's not that important to me and you can still costumize your characters look. Also in most other role playing games you can only play as a human so it's not like they are going below the general standard

[ShadyKat]

The real question is why did Hawke have to "be" human at all? They could have made the star of DA2 a dwarf or Elf, why is human always picked in games like this?

[Gena Mafer]

ShadyKat wrote...

The real question is why did Hawke have to "be" human at all? They could have made the star of DA2 a dwarf or Elf, why is human always picked in games like this?

Because marketing believes that fewer people will purchase a game that has anything out-of-the-ordinary about it.

ME2 is BW's most successful formula, so EA wants them to clone that formula as many times as they can, and for as long as they can, until the franchies are dried-out corpses of  videogames.  And ME, of course, also has a human protagonist.

When there are no more pennies to be wrung out of the bodies,  Bioware will be liquidated and become EA North.  

Modifié par Gena Mafer, 09 juillet 2010 - 10:59 .

[Demx]

Bioware said it will become clear as more information is released.

[joriandrake]

yasuraka.hakkyou wrote...

Jestina wrote...

Cause they had to cut cost...and having voice acting is more important than game content.

I would insert "..is seen as more important."

I like to play as non-humans as often as possible, personally. I'm a human, and humans ****** me off. We're the biggest jerks in the room in games, and I play games to escape reality a bit, not to play myself in the Sims.

very true

[Thibbledorf26]

A few comments...



Hawke still might have to deal with racism and have dialogue options regarding this, since he may meet hostile elves. I know many people think that elves are allowed to be racist because they were enslaved, but racism is racism and there are hints the elves in the past may not have been as innocent as they claimed.



Humans are not always used as main characters, most people would rather play an elf or a dwarf than a 'boring' human. Most mascots and cover-page characters for fantasy games are skinny elven females.



Personally I think the human is a good choice of race for the personal story of a rise to power, an ordinary person with ambition and ability etc. But I understand if some people lament the loss of race choice. I will enjoy the (hopefully) tighter story-telling.

[Sabariel]

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

I think a human is the best race for a "rise to power." Elves are considered 2nd class citizens for the most part and for me at least, being a dwarf made me feel out of place in human society. That isn't a big deal as a warden whose mission is to kill darkspawn but as an up and coming tyrant/benevolent leader being a human has its definite advantages.

Wouldn't an elf or dwarf be a better "rise to power" story... because elves are second class and dwarves are unexpected? A human "rise to power" story is more "Yeah....? And....? You're the 101st human to rise, bub. Congrats".

lol

[andar91]

Leafs43 wrote...

Isabelle Mortello wrote...

I'm a bit sad about it. But hopefully this means a better story, as Dragon Age lacked in that area due to the multiple origins.

^^^This.

DAO had a very generic and cliche story.  


brb, gotta help the elves, humans and dorfs to overthrow an evil entity...


This has been done 100 times over.

The only difference that the race made was the first 2 hours of the game and a couple dialogue responses here and there.

I agree with this a bit. I truly enjoyed the story in DAO, but I do think that it could have been better. By focusing on one race and one background, they can have a much tighter, more focused story in turn! Or so I hope. We should know more when GameInformer's newest issue is released.

[Zalocx]

Sabariel wrote...

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

I think a human is the best race for a "rise to power." Elves are considered 2nd class citizens for the most part and for me at least, being a dwarf made me feel out of place in human society. That isn't a big deal as a warden whose mission is to kill darkspawn but as an up and coming tyrant/benevolent leader being a human has its definite advantages.

Wouldn't an elf or dwarf be a better "rise to power" story... because elves are second class and dwarves are unexpected? A human "rise to power" story is more "Yeah....? And....? You're the 101st human to rise, bub. Congrats".

lol

It would be more "uplifting" yes, but to do it would mean they have to retcon MASSIVE amounts of lore from the first game. It doesn't matter IF your character can do it, its just that in a human kindgom in Thedas the nobility, military, and commoners will never serve a non-human ruler.

So if you are a Dwarf be prepared to rule a nation with no people because np humans want to serve under you and your own race see you as a traitor to the Stone and Traditions for building an above-ground kingdom

If you are an Elf. . . . recall what happened to the Elves and wait for the rest of the world to declare the inevitable Chantry Crusade on your "heathen" kingdom. Also you have no subjects because even the poorest humans would never bow to an Elf, the city elves are too few and the Dalish could care less about a domesticated "flat ear" pretending to be an Elven monarch

[Sabariel]

Zalocx wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

I think a human is the best race for a "rise to power." Elves are considered 2nd class citizens for the most part and for me at least, being a dwarf made me feel out of place in human society. That isn't a big deal as a warden whose mission is to kill darkspawn but as an up and coming tyrant/benevolent leader being a human has its definite advantages.

Wouldn't an elf or dwarf be a better "rise to power" story... because elves are second class and dwarves are unexpected? A human "rise to power" story is more "Yeah....? And....? You're the 101st human to rise, bub. Congrats".

lol

It would be more "uplifting" yes, but to do it would mean they have to retcon MASSIVE amounts of lore from the first game. It doesn't matter IF your character can do it, its just that in a human kindgom in Thedas the nobility, military, and commoners will never serve a non-human ruler.

So if you are a Dwarf be prepared to rule a nation with no people because np humans want to serve under you and your own race see you as a traitor to the Stone and Traditions for building an above-ground kingdom

If you are an Elf. . . . recall what happened to the Elves and wait for the rest of the world to declare the inevitable Chantry Crusade on your "heathen" kingdom. Also you have no subjects because even the poorest humans would never bow to an Elf, the city elves are too few and the Dalish could care less about a domesticated "flat ear" pretending to be an Elven monarch

But choices you make in the game could either change the people's minds about dwarves/elves or just further their bigotry. It's not so impossible.

[Zalocx]

Sabariel wrote...

Zalocx wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

I think a human is the best race for a "rise to power." Elves are considered 2nd class citizens for the most part and for me at least, being a dwarf made me feel out of place in human society. That isn't a big deal as a warden whose mission is to kill darkspawn but as an up and coming tyrant/benevolent leader being a human has its definite advantages.

Wouldn't an elf or dwarf be a better "rise to power" story... because elves are second class and dwarves are unexpected? A human "rise to power" story is more "Yeah....? And....? You're the 101st human to rise, bub. Congrats".

lol

It would be more "uplifting" yes, but to do it would mean they have to retcon MASSIVE amounts of lore from the first game. It doesn't matter IF your character can do it, its just that in a human kindgom in Thedas the nobility, military, and commoners will never serve a non-human ruler.

So if you are a Dwarf be prepared to rule a nation with no people because np humans want to serve under you and your own race see you as a traitor to the Stone and Traditions for building an above-ground kingdom

If you are an Elf. . . . recall what happened to the Elves and wait for the rest of the world to declare the inevitable Chantry Crusade on your "heathen" kingdom. Also you have no subjects because even the poorest humans would never bow to an Elf, the city elves are too few and the Dalish could care less about a domesticated "flat ear" pretending to be an Elven monarch

But choices you make in the game could either change the people's minds about dwarves/elves or just further their bigotry. It's not so impossible.

some people yes, its very unlikely you could remove bigotry from the entire population of a kingdom. And even if you managed that almost mythic feat. There is the rest of Thedas. Even if other kings respect you, they will still use the excuse of your non-human blood to declare war simply because its an easy way to expand their territory with no social repercussions.

[ThomasAndrew]

From my personal experience, with voice acting you can either get a good character or a bad character, but not your own character like in DAO. It also shortens the game signifcantly. It also cuts out replayablity.

[Sabariel]

Zalocx wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Zalocx wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

I think a human is the best race for a "rise to power." Elves are considered 2nd class citizens for the most part and for me at least, being a dwarf made me feel out of place in human society. That isn't a big deal as a warden whose mission is to kill darkspawn but as an up and coming tyrant/benevolent leader being a human has its definite advantages.

Wouldn't an elf or dwarf be a better "rise to power" story... because elves are second class and dwarves are unexpected? A human "rise to power" story is more "Yeah....? And....? You're the 101st human to rise, bub. Congrats".

lol

It would be more "uplifting" yes, but to do it would mean they have to retcon MASSIVE amounts of lore from the first game. It doesn't matter IF your character can do it, its just that in a human kindgom in Thedas the nobility, military, and commoners will never serve a non-human ruler.

So if you are a Dwarf be prepared to rule a nation with no people because np humans want to serve under you and your own race see you as a traitor to the Stone and Traditions for building an above-ground kingdom

If you are an Elf. . . . recall what happened to the Elves and wait for the rest of the world to declare the inevitable Chantry Crusade on your "heathen" kingdom. Also you have no subjects because even the poorest humans would never bow to an Elf, the city elves are too few and the Dalish could care less about a domesticated "flat ear" pretending to be an Elven monarch

But choices you make in the game could either change the people's minds about dwarves/elves or just further their bigotry. It's not so impossible.

some people yes, its very unlikely you could remove bigotry from the entire population of a kingdom. And even if you managed that almost mythic feat. There is the rest of Thedas. Even if other kings respect you, they will still use the excuse of your non-human blood to declare war simply because its an easy way to expand their territory with no social repercussions.

The entire population, no, but the majority is possible. And the majority won't just lie down and let others invade. They'd fight for their homes if nothing else.

[Jestina]

What is the point in having this still in a fantasy setting if we can no longer pick our characters race?

[Collider]

Jestina wrote...
What is the point in having this still in a fantasy setting if we can no longer pick our characters race?

Is that a serious question?

[Jestina]

Collider wrote...

Jestina wrote...

What is the point in having this still in a fantasy setting if we can no longer pick our characters race?

Is that a serious question?

Yep, we've already got a Mass Effect, Fallout, and a slew of other games where you play human. And now we get offered this upcoming fantasy game with no racial options. When people pick up a fantasy title they expect to have some options with choosing their race, this isn't the early 80's though it seems like gaming is heading back to that direction.

[Zalocx]

Jestina wrote...

Collider wrote...

Jestina wrote...
What is the point in having this still in a fantasy setting if we can no longer pick our characters race?

Is that a serious question?

Yep, we've already got a Mass Effect, Fallout, and a slew of other games where you play human. And now we get offered this upcoming fantasy game with no racial options. When people pick up a fantasy title they expect to have some options with choosing their race, this isn't the early 80's though it seems like gaming is heading back to that direction.

well if you read the thread you would see that playing a Dwarf or Elf makes little sense considering the "rise to power" story in a world where Elves are 2nd class citizens and Dwarves are outsiders and would have a hard (if not impossible) time rising to power/ The choice to only play humans makes sense given the setting and what we know about DA2's plot

[Collider]

Really...I think you'd find most people pick up fantasy games because they want things like magic, dragons, orcs, kingdoms, warriors, not just so they can play as a different race. In Dragon Age's case, a lot of people picked the game up because it had trademark Bioware qualities like dialog selection and party members, etc.



I certainly did not play Dragon Age simply so I could choose a different race.

[lovgreno]

I understand that they might want to simplify things a bit and I can tolerate it to an extentas a potential buyer. But why can't dwarves, elves and humans have the same voice? There are many places where all races are present, if the hero was raised there they would have the same accent (and basic backstory) despite their race. Let's wait and see what more they have to say about it. No dwarves makes me a very sceptic consumer though.

[Hulk Hsieh]

Sabariel wrote...

Zalocx wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Zalocx wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

I think a human is the best race for a "rise to power." Elves are considered 2nd class citizens for the most part and for me at least, being a dwarf made me feel out of place in human society. That isn't a big deal as a warden whose mission is to kill darkspawn but as an up and coming tyrant/benevolent leader being a human has its definite advantages.

Wouldn't an elf or dwarf be a better "rise to power" story... because elves are second class and dwarves are unexpected? A human "rise to power" story is more "Yeah....? And....? You're the 101st human to rise, bub. Congrats".

lol

It would be more "uplifting" yes, but to do it would mean they have to retcon MASSIVE amounts of lore from the first game. It doesn't matter IF your character can do it, its just that in a human kindgom in Thedas the nobility, military, and commoners will never serve a non-human ruler.

So if you are a Dwarf be prepared to rule a nation with no people because np humans want to serve under you and your own race see you as a traitor to the Stone and Traditions for building an above-ground kingdom

If you are an Elf. . . . recall what happened to the Elves and wait for the rest of the world to declare the inevitable Chantry Crusade on your "heathen" kingdom. Also you have no subjects because even the poorest humans would never bow to an Elf, the city elves are too few and the Dalish could care less about a domesticated "flat ear" pretending to be an Elven monarch

But choices you make in the game could either change the people's minds about dwarves/elves or just further their bigotry. It's not so impossible.

some people yes, its very unlikely you could remove bigotry from the entire population of a kingdom. And even if you managed that almost mythic feat. There is the rest of Thedas. Even if other kings respect you, they will still use the excuse of your non-human blood to declare war simply because its an easy way to expand their territory with no social repercussions.

The entire population, no, but the majority is possible. And the majority won't just lie down and let others invade. They'd fight for their homes if nothing else.

You could do that because you were a Warden, which kind of overwites the social status of an Elf or a surface dwarf. That isn't the case now...

Modifié par Hulk Hsieh, 10 juillet 2010 - 12:10 .

[Jestina]

I picked it up because it was an RPG that gave you some freedom with your character...now it's going to be pre-generated, like a Mass Effect clone in a different setting..