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[Darkieus]

It's because Mass Effect was developed with the console in mind. While Mass Effect 2 had a PC Counterpart, Mass Effect didn't arrive to PC's until there was a high demand for it.



In my opinion, from what I've seen, Bioware is trying to simplify everything to maximize profits. I'm starting to think the original heads behind Origins were murdered and replaced with EA clones.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

When have you ever played as a non human? Oh that's right....you never did. You just had the options to play as a human with pointy ears or a short human instead of just having to be....you know...normal.

Hawke is the single most powerful character to have ever lived in the DA universe so he has to be badass and look awesome. That simply wouldn't be possible if he had pointy ears or if he was short....then he'd be just the single most powerful goofiest prankster that ever lived in the DA universe.

Elves and dwarven characters can be very powerful. Having pointy ears wouldn't make the character any less 'badass' as you put it. If anything fantasy stories have taught us is that other races in fantasy worlds including Elves can be quite tough.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Because Bioware made a story for DA2 that centers around a human. Period. End of story.

[joriandrake]

racial modifiers are usually weak in RPG-s which means every race can be nearly equally though, one of my strongest (not just literary) characters for DnD was a warrior halfling as example, and one of my greatest wizards a half-orc

[Rogue Unit]

Why would you want to play as a short, fat drunkard?

[joriandrake]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Why would you want to play as a short, fat drunkard?

why would you want to play a tall, racist slavemaster?

[Rogue Unit]

Because then I wont be fat and short.

And Hawke isnt nobility he doesnt own slaves.

But all dwarves are drunkards.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Because then I wont be fat and short.
And Hawke isnt nobility he doesnt own slaves.
But all dwarves are drunkards.

That's a bit of a generalization. I'm not sure that all of them are drunks. That's like saying all humans are racist.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

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Modifié par ZaroktheImmortal, 11 juillet 2010 - 10:11 .

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Damn, triple post.

Modifié par ZaroktheImmortal, 11 juillet 2010 - 10:11 .

[joriandrake]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Because then I wont be fat and short.
And Hawke isnt nobility he doesnt own slaves.
But all dwarves are drunkards.

Hawke is human

Modifié par joriandrake, 11 juillet 2010 - 10:12 .

[Rogue Unit]

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Because then I wont be fat and short.
And Hawke isnt nobility he doesnt own slaves.
But all dwarves are drunkards.

That's a bit of a generalization. I'm not sure that all of them are drunks. That's like saying all humans are racist.

I know. I wasn't being completely serious there.
All in good fun.

[obnoxiousgas]

It was actually an exquisite move on Bioware's part to enrage the fans, as removing a person's ability to play as a different race and have slightly different interactions ("My goodness, you are an elf/dwarf. Let me make some offensive comment. Now we've gotten that out of the way, let us continue as if I never made such a remark.") with a few  NPCs is tantamount to murder.

In all seriousness, I'm hoping there is some plot reasoning behind it simply than cutting out VO work. I know at the moment it seems that Hawke's origins would work just as well for any race, but hopefully there'll be some justification for it that will become apparent in time. Maybe Hawke's family get involved at some point? This is all conjecture here, so who knows. It would be kind of suckish if choosing different races ends up being cut for slightly silly reasons.

[joriandrake]

obnoxiousgas wrote...

It was actually an exquisite move on Bioware's part to enrage the fans, as removing a person's ability to play as a different race and have slightly different interactions ("My goodness, you are an elf/dwarf. Let me make some offensive comment. Now we've gotten that out of the way, let us continue as if I never made such a remark.") with a few  NPCs is tantamount to murder.

In all seriousness, I'm hoping there is some plot reasoning behind it simply than cutting out VO work. I know at the moment it seems that Hawke's origins would work just as well for any race, but hopefully there'll be some justification for it that will become apparent in time. Maybe Hawke's family get involved at some point? This is all conjecture here, so who knows. It would be kind of suckish if choosing different races ends up being cut for slightly silly reasons.

as every random adventurer or villager could be Hawke from any race normally, the only logical reason I can think of would be if the rumor about playing as the child of Morrigan is true

in that case the main character would be atleast half human and thus look human no matter what the father was, and still be "exotic" with being a reborn pure/clean dragon (god) atleast in spirit

issues about timeline are not of concern in fantasy or sci-fi stories anyway, just throw into the mix some good old fashioned time travelling or paradox

[ganstamaori]

Too bad they made reference to the Lothering thing, because it wouldn't have mattered if you werep playing as dragon baby, aside from the whole retcon thing.

[Rogue Unit]

joriandrake wrote...

obnoxiousgas wrote...

It was actually an exquisite move on Bioware's part to enrage the fans, as removing a person's ability to play as a different race and have slightly different interactions ("My goodness, you are an elf/dwarf. Let me make some offensive comment. Now we've gotten that out of the way, let us continue as if I never made such a remark.") with a few  NPCs is tantamount to murder.

In all seriousness, I'm hoping there is some plot reasoning behind it simply than cutting out VO work. I know at the moment it seems that Hawke's origins would work just as well for any race, but hopefully there'll be some justification for it that will become apparent in time. Maybe Hawke's family get involved at some point? This is all conjecture here, so who knows. It would be kind of suckish if choosing different races ends up being cut for slightly silly reasons.

as every random adventurer or villager could be Hawke from any race normally, the only logical reason I can think of would be if the rumor about playing as the child of Morrigan is true

in that case the main character would be atleast half human and thus look human no matter what the father was, and still be "exotic" with being a reborn pure/clean dragon (god) atleast in spirit

issues about timeline are not of concern in fantasy or sci-fi stories anyway, just throw into the mix some good old fashioned time travelling or paradox

Hawke fled the darkspawn when they it Lothering so it would be hard to do that when he didnt exist.
I read that Flemeth makes a return so maybe Morrigans child does come into play somewhere.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 11 juillet 2010 - 10:43 .

[joriandrake]

Rogue Unit wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

obnoxiousgas wrote...

It was actually an exquisite move on Bioware's part to enrage the fans, as removing a person's ability to play as a different race and have slightly different interactions ("My goodness, you are an elf/dwarf. Let me make some offensive comment. Now we've gotten that out of the way, let us continue as if I never made such a remark.") with a few  NPCs is tantamount to murder.

In all seriousness, I'm hoping there is some plot reasoning behind it simply than cutting out VO work. I know at the moment it seems that Hawke's origins would work just as well for any race, but hopefully there'll be some justification for it that will become apparent in time. Maybe Hawke's family get involved at some point? This is all conjecture here, so who knows. It would be kind of suckish if choosing different races ends up being cut for slightly silly reasons.

as every random adventurer or villager could be Hawke from any race normally, the only logical reason I can think of would be if the rumor about playing as the child of Morrigan is true

in that case the main character would be atleast half human and thus look human no matter what the father was, and still be "exotic" with being a reborn pure/clean dragon (god) atleast in spirit

issues about timeline are not of concern in fantasy or sci-fi stories anyway, just throw into the mix some good old fashioned time travelling or paradox

Hawke fled the darkspawn when they it Lothering so it would be hard to do that when he didnt exist.
I read that Flemeth makes a return so maybe Morrigans child does come into play somewhere.

[BlackyBlack]

Because they'd have to hire 6 voice actors



Despite popular belief on these forums, BioWare's budget doesn't grow on trees

[Kalcalan]

BlackyBlack wrote...

Because they'd have to hire 6 voice actors

Despite popular belief on these forums, BioWare's budget doesn't grow on trees

That's probably the reason why they had to ditch non Humans as I can't believe the developers couldn't have made it work. If for one don't really care much about voice overs and I would preferred the opportunity of playing a non human.

That and the fact that focusing on one character type makes it less complicated down the road and avoids things like checking dialogues for weird race related issues (like the few times when you realize that the NPC doesn't seem to see your character as a Dwarf or an Elf).

If that helps the game to get a better focus on Hawke's story, so be it. I'm confident that the community will find ways of switching models so we'll be able to pretend we're playing an Elf or a Dwarf (currently with the toolset we can play characters that look like Qunaris despite the fact that the game doesn't recognize them as such).

Last but not least, we can always pretend that Hawke is a half elf... I know I will!

[ZaroktheImmortal]

BlackyBlack wrote...

Because they'd have to hire 6 voice actors

Despite popular belief on these forums, BioWare's budget doesn't grow on trees

I'm pretty sure elves sound human anyway. So they could have done it with two.

[Revya]

If Hawke was an elf or dwarf the outrage would be the same, or even greater.



No matter what you may think a Dwarf or Elf would never rise to power because the system implaced in Theades, if any start ganing prominance they would surely be dealt with.



Also I like humans...I play as the decent one ammong the millions of jerks



Also if you think Humans are boring please go play planescape: Torment

[Kalcalan]

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

BlackyBlack wrote...

Because they'd have to hire 6 voice actors

Despite popular belief on these forums, BioWare's budget doesn't grow on trees

I'm pretty sure elves sound human anyway. So they could have done it with two.

Hum... I'm not that sure. They could have used only two voice sets but in DAO most humans sound like they talk in a British accent (except Orlesians and Antivans), Elves and Dwarves have distinctly American accents. I really like that aspect.

Like I said above I'm pretty sure we'll find a way to switch models in game since there will be Elves and Dwarves NPCs so we'll be able to make Hawke look like an Elf or a Dwarf without actually be one.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Revya wrote...

If Hawke was an elf or dwarf the outrage would be the same, or even greater.

No matter what you may think a Dwarf or Elf would never rise to power because the system implaced in Theades, if any start ganing prominance they would surely be dealt with.

Also I like humans...I play as the decent one ammong the millions of jerks

Also if you think Humans are boring please go play planescape: Torment

You mean like how you become the Warden Commander and made desicions on what happened involving the nobles in Awakening? And this could be done as an elf. I don't think players of the game would have complained about being able to play an elf or dwarf seeing as how they were in the previous game.

[joriandrake]

Revya wrote...

If Hawke was an elf or dwarf the outrage would be the same, or even greater.

No matter what you may think a Dwarf or Elf would never rise to power because the system implaced in Theades, if any start ganing prominance they would surely be dealt with.

one of my ....no, THE main character of mine was a city elf girl who romanced Alister but was unable to marry him, thus she choose as reward for being a hero the title and lands of the deceased Loghain so that she became a noble and may still marry him later (I didn't want to "harden" him just to have my character become his concubine)


In time of troubles any individual can rise to power, be it  a grey warden or someone else


those who complain about the lack of racial choice don't complain because Hawke is human (mostly) but because there is no option to be anything else, I don't think anyone would seriously complain if the developers would give us the same choices in the race of the character as before, who would seriously complain about MORE choices and options?

Modifié par joriandrake, 11 juillet 2010 - 06:46 .

[Tooneyman]

I'll say this and I'm going to say it with pride. Bioware If you give me a toolset. I'm turning hawke into and elf. All I have to do is morph the ears. This I like I think modding is godly!