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[Big Blue Car]

 Well, a mod somewhat unfairly closed my bromance thread for being 'spam', so I'll phrase this one differently.

There is lots of discussion about romances in the game, but almost none for the relationships that form between characters which are totally about friendship and respect, not love. For me, Alistair was my sarcastic bro and Wynne was a cool, badass grandmother-figure. Sten stole cookies from fat kids and I slowly earned his respect, and Zevran betrayed his old life to keep fighting by side.

These relationships aren't climactic like the romances, they don't have an end point or a goal to aim for, but they are still an awesome part of the game. So what are your favourite platonic relationships in the game? Who would you like to see return, and what do you think may have happened to them? And what kind of characters would you like to see in future DA games?

[Arttis]

MOrrigan is an awesome platonic relationship for my human male noble.

You can really tell how much she appreciates it.

[Stanley Woo]

Big Blue Car wrote...
Well, a mod somewhat unfairly closed my bromance thread for being 'spam', so I'll phrase this one differently.

Much better, thank you.

[shadowpiranha]

First and foremost, the relationship my PC had with her dog. That was amazing. And then somewhere along the way I started seeing Leliana as the one person who brought the girly out in my PC. Despite all the cringing as she went on about shoooooooooooooes.



Oh and Zevran for the mind-in-the-gutter banter, always, Shale was love, and Wynne became like my PC's aunt, or something. A bad-ass aunt.



I also like to think she got wasted with Oghren from time to time.

[ThomasAndrew]

I knwo it's the most common but Alistair was my favourite. One of the best characters I've ever seen in a game, great sarcastic wit. Also Shale was very well done.

[stevej713]

I liked the platonic relationship with Oghren. To me, he's a good buddy that I'd like to spend an evening in the bar with, drinking beer and talking about football. Romances are cool, but I prefer having relationships with all of my party members.

Modifié par stevej713, 09 juillet 2010 - 11:42 .

[Collider]

With we do have party members (hopefully this will be confirmed soon), I support the option of friendship paths with them. Dragon Age was great because you could befriend party members without romancing them, and you got something meaningful from it. This should continue in DA2.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I loved the friendships with everyone. EVERYONE. Even crabby, cookie thief Sten ^^ I thought some of the friendships had more emotional umph than the romances. Though if I had to pick, my favorite was Shale's. The backstory, the silly banter about pigeons and castle storming, and the truly heartfelt friendship between Shale and the Warden at the Anvil of the Void almost had me tearing up.

I'm also going to put in my vote for having well-developed friendship paths in DA2, like in DA:O.  I love the Mass Effect series, but one of my huge complaints was the limited friendship options.  Honestly, if an NPC wasn't the main supporting NPC (Ash, Kaidan, Miranda, or Jacob), they'd have fewer conversations if you weren't romancing them.  I was playing femShep and got all of three conversations with Tali.  THREE.  The guys get even more hosed with Garrus if they aren't romancing him.  THESE PEOPLE ARE MY FRIENDS AND CREW DANGNABBIT.  If I don't want to talk to them, I won't, but at least give me more than "calibrations" if we're not getting it on.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 09 juillet 2010 - 11:53 .

[andar91]

I love how Wynne was regarded as very vanilla before DAO was released and now everybody seems to love her and refer to her as 'badass'. I like picturing her face at being refered to as "badass". For the record, I love Wynne too.

[Indoctrination]

I'm a big fan of Zevran myself. I always saw him as my witty sidekick.

[shadowpiranha]

andar91 wrote...

I love how Wynne was regarded as very vanilla before DAO was released and now everybody seems to love her and refer to her as 'badass'. I like picturing her face at being refered to as "badass". For the record, I love Wynne too.

Yeah! Wynne is nothing like what you'd expect. I didn't know much about the game when I started playing, but even as I met her for the second time at the Circle Tower I had no idea what I was "in for". She's peaceful but you don't mess with her, and just by her banter with Alistair you see there's a 'twist' there, I love her for that.

[epoch_]

Its just guy love.

[Big Blue Car]

I've lent my game to a friend, but as soon as I get it back from her I'm going to start a new game but this time, get Oghren early. I got him right before the end-game last time and have never really spent much time with the guy. All I really remember was him drunkenly hitting on me, regardless of me being a dude twice his height, which was hilarious.

The main thing I liked about the DA relationships was being able to get a sense of what the characters were like. Sten hated the normal RPG questioning, and I learned he liked forceful, unapologetic leadership. Alastair was great because i could actually make jokes at his expense, and he would play along. I really hope DA2 has the same approach, where you can take weird approaches with some characters and they appreciate it.

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That certainly is friendly

Modifié par Big Blue Car, 10 juillet 2010 - 12:10 .

[sporky1]

I liked being "best friends" with Morrigan. I even allowed her to sleep with my husband!

[Iakus]

I actually liked forming a friendship with Morrigan for my warrior. In te end, having a friendship seemed to have a deeper emotional impact on her than a romance. When she called you "my friend", it sounded like that term held a lot of meaning for her.

[Jimmy Fury]

I'm pretty fond of the strong-dedicated woman archetype. Wynne and Samara are two of my favorite companions. The kind of woman who the character looks up to, respect, and goes to for advise. Who will then unleash a goddesslike fury and level mountains when you're in trouble.

An apprentice type companion might be nice too. Some kid who you develop a parental bond with and watch them grow (ten year time span!)

Basically a Storm and a Shadowcat for my wolverine (as much as I hate wolverine...)

[mosaiclobster]

I initially romanced Alistair, but broke up with him after getting with Zevran. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed Alistair's friendship after the fact! I entered into a political marriage with him, and his reactions were so hilarious "But er, we're friends, and we have to make an heir.. err...." I also thought our friendship made Morrigan's ritual make more sense in the context of the story, moreso than if we were in love.



I will say though, it would've been even better if there were different dialog trees for those of us that had a relationship with a NPC and then broke it off. It's just weird to go from a breakup dialog to "you're my best friend, and I have no recollection of the fact that you took my virginity and promised to be with me forever!"



Leliana and Morrigan were both great friends for my Female Warden. Morrigan took a lot of warming up to, but she was so heartfelt and sweet by the end. As for Leliana, we were friends the whole time, but once I married Alistair she got all sad about it and said if he doesn't love me now, he will eventually, so she'll "step aside" or whatever. SO bizarre. Girl, I thought we were pals!

[Korva]

Platonic friendship bonds are exactly what I crave. The way I treat my companions needs to have a tangible effect on the game, for good or ill. I don't really care about romance, especially if it shoves everything else under the "distant second fiddle" carpet. In fact, if we ignore, brush off or insult other companions because we're obsessed with our "LI", I want that to bite us in the arse -- hard. IMO there should be as many "friendship dialogs" for each character as romance onces, especially for the plot-important NPCs, and they should take time and effort and consistent behavior to unlock.

Origins still leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to friendship. Dog? Fantasic idea, but nowhere near the "full-fledged party member" he was promised to be. I used him anyway but he could have been so much more. Gifts? Nice idea on principle, but awful in its execution. They should cement already existing bonds, not enable us to make someone turn 180° in two seconds flat. Only a very shallow and very stupid person would go from "I hate you and everything you stand for!" to "I love you!" just because you pelt them with random loot. And I'd like to see NPCs take more of a stand for or against the PC depending on both our plot-related choices and our treatment of other party members. If I flirt or buddy up with A, and B can't stand A, B shouldn't be happy as a peach to be my best friend.

That said, I adore Wynne. She is nearly perfect, definitely my favourite companion. I have a big soft spot for "kindly older mentor" types, and not only does Wynne fill that role to a T with good humor to boot, she is a woman! I requested such a character way way back when DA was in its early development, and was absolutely delighted to see that wish made reality in such an awesome way.

And Alistair as the most important NPC works very well as a buddy, I'm glad to say. I didn't have the nagging feeling that I was missing out on anything in any situation, from Ostagar right to his heartfelt eulogy for my dead Warden. A far cry from say Bastila, whom I loved and wanted to be a real friend to, but who acted like she didn't know me at the end of the game.

Modifié par Korva, 10 juillet 2010 - 12:36 .