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[moneycashgeorge]

I honestly did not like DAO that much. I played it for a long time but ended up not finishing it. I bought it mainly to support BioWare and to get the (disappointing) ME2 armor. I absolutely loved the world they created, especially the brilliant story behind magic and the fascinating religion. The actual plot though never really grabbed me.

A lot of other things bugged me. The inventory interface was horrible. I was never able to get comfortable with the combat system (I have heard it was more intuitive on PC). The graphics were dated. Above all, I HATED the player character. I never felt any kind of connection to him what so ever. 

I know that alot of you are scared of "Mass Effectification", but I don't know why. Honestly Mass Effect, especially the dialog and cut scenes, is just better than DAO. Full voicing alone would make Dragon Age twice as enjoyable. And strategy is great and everything, but there should be some twitch gameplay going on. This is not chess, I want to control my character, not give him commands.

I love the direction this appears to be going in. If they can implement an effective twitch melee combat system (no small feat, something similar to the Oblivion Unnecessary Violence mod would be perfect), and the same cinematic dialog and visuals as Mass Effect 2, this will be a guaranteed buy from me.

[_-Greywolf-_]

I honestly believe that Mass Effect is the worst game Bioware has made to date, so no I am not happy about Dragon Age 2 being given the Mass Effect treatment.

[JasonPogo]

It's people like you that ruin it for people like us.

[Ceesko]

Indeed

[moneycashgeorge]

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

I honestly believe that Mass Effect is the worst game Bioware has made to date, so no I am not happy about Dragon Age 2 being given the Mass Effect treatment.

I'm not sure how that's even possible lol. I guess people have different tastes but the two Mass Effects are my two favorite games of all time. Why don't you like them?

[L0ckd0wn325]

Well Mass effect 1 had bad elements of RPG and shooter elements. Mass Effect 2 had better shooting mechanics, but even worse RPG ones.

[Sable Rhapsody]

I loved DA:O. And I also loved the Mass Effect series. I thought they were both fantastic RPGs, though for different reasons. I loved the immersion of Mass Effect, and the VAs certainly contributed to that. I also loved the ridiculous amount of material in DA:O. There were decided things I did not love about those games. Didn't like how your ME party members rarely interacted with one another. Didn't like the painful inventory micromanagement of ME1 and DA:O. NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY SORT THE SHOP KTHXBAI. Didn't like the Uncanny Valley qualities of the PC's expressions in DA:O.



It's not that DA2 has to be modeled off of one or the other. If DA2 takes the strengths of Mass Effect 2--the world immersion, the fantastic art design, the elegant level design, and the flowing and fun combat--and combines it with the strengths of Dragon Age Origins--the NPC depth, the expansive world and lore, and the obscene amounts of content--I will be the happiest gamer in the world.

[Lord of War]

We don't like Mass Effect because they are shallow. The companions barely have any depth compared to any companion from any other BioWare game. The lack of inserting myself as the protagonist is also a problem.

[Tooneyman]

It seems to me. Bioware is trying something with DA 2. They are just trying to see what happens when you combine the two universes. Now I know why because people on the forums have asked what it would be like to combine the two games. I guess we are getting our answer with this one. It also seems more cost effective to try it out. I'm just hoping the combat system with shooting arrows isn't like shooting in ME 2. That would suck.

[moneycashgeorge]

Cyrahzax wrote...

We don't like Mass Effect because they are shallow. The companions barely have any depth compared to any companion from any other BioWare game. The lack of inserting myself as the protagonist is also a problem.

Yeah, thats true that there was more to the companions in DAO than in either ME, but there's no reason they can't keep that with the better ME tech and gameplay.

And I don't know about you, but having the protagonist be some kind of mute expressionless moron is not immersive. This works in First Person games, not so much when you have to look at that stupid face all the time. I always imagined that he was holding giant cue cards off screen that had your dialog choice on it. Shepard on the other hand, completely immersed me.

[Lord of War]

moneycashgeorge wrote...

Cyrahzax wrote...

We don't like Mass Effect because they are shallow. The companions barely have any depth compared to any companion from any other BioWare game. The lack of inserting myself as the protagonist is also a problem.

Yeah, thats true that there was more to the companions in DAO than in either ME, but there's no reason they can't keep that with the better ME tech and gameplay.

And I don't know about you, but having the protagonist be some kind of mute expressionless moron is not immersive. This works in First Person games, not so much when you have to look at that stupid face all the time. I always imagined that he was holding giant cue cards off screen that had your dialog choice on it. Shepard on the other hand, completely immersed me.

See, it is not that Shepard as a character wasn't immersive, he was, but he really felt like an NPC. I prefer my my main mute bcecause I come up with how he says his dialogue, and he is whoever I want him to be.

[Astatine]

I wouldn't really miss the inventory juggling. Stripping it down as much as ME2 wouldn't be a good idea, I don't think, because it would go against the convention of "slay the monster, take the loot": there should be shiny swords new and old available for purchase or for taking from the hoards of brigands and beasts. But the big heap of crafting components and potions were pretty irritating. (I wonder how many people really get into the crafting systems in games like this. I find them kind of a finicky distraction...)



I really hope they don't strip down character skills in the same way though, or change the combat to be more ME-action-style. I thought the game system in DA:O was pretty damn good (overpoweredness of a few mage spells notwithstanding...) and the tactical combat was as good as BG2's. The combat in particular, I'd hate to see go back down the same dumbed-down route we saw in NWN and KOTOR (good games, sure, but not challenging ones -- at least, never challenging in a good way, just in an annoying hoard-potions-and-reload-50-times way on the harder difficulty settings).

[Petsura]

I enjoyed both Mass Effect 2 and DragonAge so I'm eager to see how a mix between both will look like.

[_-Greywolf-_]

moneycashgeorge wrote...

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

I honestly believe that Mass Effect is the worst game Bioware has made to date, so no I am not happy about Dragon Age 2 being given the Mass Effect treatment.

I'm not sure how that's even possible lol. I guess people have different tastes but the two Mass Effects are my two favorite games of all time. Why don't you like them?

Its not that I hate the Mass Effect games its just that I enjoyed the other Bioware games so much more. I enjoyed the Mass Effect games for what they were but there were certain design choices I just diddnt agree with, the vague dialogue wheel, the voiced main character, the fixed main character ect. I know a lot of people enjoyed these things and I would never ask for them to be changed in Mass Effect as these were what made Mass Effect the game that it is.

However it was to my knowledge that Dragon Age was made to cater to fans of their older games (more specifically the Baldurs Gate series which rank among my all time favorite games) and that they were supposed to be a return to what made them great, however now it seems that the features that I loved about Bioware's older games are being replaced by the features I was not so fond of in the Mass Effect games, it is almost as if the old breed of RPG games are dying out and are being replaced by the new shallow action/adventure style games like Mass Effect.

With the old games like Baldur's Gate where you are given more freedom to create your own unique character it gives you a feeling like you are playing the game with a digital version of yourself and thus feels so much more immersive for me, however with a game like Mass Effect I never really got that feeling. In Mass Effect I never really felt I was playing my character, this was also further enhanced by the vague dialogue wheel and not knowing exactly what Shepard was going to say or do. A good example would be the quest on the citadel for Samesh Bhatia, the choice on the dialogue wheel simply says "Samesh should hear this" but when you actually select it Shepard grabs the man by the collar and gets in his face and says "Next time you cut up a dead soldier at least tell her husband the truth".

Anyway those were my major gripes with the changes to Dragon Age, I know some of you really enjoyed the features of Mass Effect I just feel they should stay in Mass Effect and Dragon Age should retain the things that made it great.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Even the dev responses to questions and concerns have been stolen from Mass Effect.



BioWare is hemorrhaging respect points here. They're ripping themselves off and diluting this series. Dragon Age Origins was my last tie to the old BioWare games, and now it seems that's been severed.



A bit melodramatic perhaps, but, gods, this looks like a joke so far.

[Arttis]

JasonPogo wrote...

It's people like you that ruin it for people like us.

Then it is people like you that would ruin it for a person like me.

[Anathemic]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Even the dev responses to questions and concerns have been stolen from Mass Effect.

BioWare is hemorrhaging respect points here. They're ripping themselves off and diluting this series. Dragon Age Origins was my last tie to the old BioWare games, and now it seems that's been severed.

A bit melodramatic perhaps, but, gods, this looks like a joke so far.

Not to mention not only gameplay and charactar features are going to be like Mass Effect, the stroyline seems too, i mean come on "Recruit the deadliest of allies" didn't we already do that?

[Leafs43]

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

I honestly believe that Mass Effect is the worst game Bioware has made to date, so no I am not happy about Dragon Age 2 being given the Mass Effect treatment.

You gotta be trolling.


Everyone knows that is a tie between Jade Empire and Neverwinter nights.

Modifié par Leafs43, 10 juillet 2010 - 01:42 .

[ITSSEXYTIME]

moneycashgeorge wrote...


I know that alot of you are scared of "Mass Effectification", but I don't know why. 

It's quite simple.  We liked what Dragon Age did.  We wanted more of it.

If Mass Effect 3 brought over all the things that you didn't like about Dragon age you'd be just as upset over it.

[_-Greywolf-_]

Leafs43 wrote...

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

I honestly believe that Mass Effect is the worst game Bioware has made to date, so no I am not happy about Dragon Age 2 being given the Mass Effect treatment.

You gotta be trolling.


Everyone knows that is a tie between Jade Empire and Neverwinter nights.

Nope I would rank those 2 games far above Mass Effect.

I really dont see what people see in Mass Effect, it was a sub par shooter with a slightly above average story and dont you dare get me started on the planet exploration and repeditive side missions.

[Leafs43]

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

I honestly believe that Mass Effect is the worst game Bioware has made to date, so no I am not happy about Dragon Age 2 being given the Mass Effect treatment.

Everyone knows that is a tie between Jade Empire and Neverwinter nights.

Nope I would rank those 2 games far above Mass Effect.

I really dont see what people see in Mass Effect, it was a sub par shooter with a slightly above average story and dont you dare get me started on the planet exploration and repeditive side missions.

If you think Mass Effect is a shooter, you probably played for 20 minutes and quit didn't you.
You gotta be trolling.

Modifié par Leafs43, 10 juillet 2010 - 01:53 .

[_-Greywolf-_]

Leafs43 wrote...

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

I honestly believe that Mass Effect is the worst game Bioware has made to date, so no I am not happy about Dragon Age 2 being given the Mass Effect treatment.

Everyone knows that is a tie between Jade Empire and Neverwinter nights.

Nope I would rank those 2 games far above Mass Effect.

I really dont see what people see in Mass Effect, it was a sub par shooter with a slightly above average story and dont you dare get me started on the planet exploration and repeditive side missions.

If you think Mass Effect is a shooter, you probably played for 20 minutes and quit didn't you.
You gotta be trolling.

Ok what would you call Mass Effect then? Shooter with a side of RPG elements? Action Adventure?

[Dileos]

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

I honestly believe that Mass Effect is the worst game Bioware has made to date, so no I am not happy about Dragon Age 2 being given the Mass Effect treatment.

This.

[Marionetten]

I hate Mass Effect. I loved Dragon Age for being Dragon Age. I loved it for not having that stupid dialogue wheel. I loved it for letting me play my character the way I wanted to play my character instead of nudging him left and right and giggling at the outcome. I loved it for being a great RPG in the vein of Baldur's Gate.

Why exactly does BioWare have to cater to Mass Effect players who already have Mass Effect? Dragon Age was supposed to be for their old fans. The fans of games like Baldur's Gate. Now it's being revamped to cater to the console audience? This leaves someone like me out of the picture completely.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Leafs43 wrote...

If you think Mass Effect is a shooter, you probably played for 20 minutes and quit didn't you.
You gotta be trolling.

Even the devs are calling ME2 a shooter.

ME1 may have been "more" of an RPG, but the series has become a shooter.