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[Sique Foque]

ejoslin wrote...

It actually is a complement to the writers how unhappy so many DA fans are over this change. Because DAO was really that immersive to so many of us.

This, really this.

Modifié par Sique Foque, 10 juillet 2010 - 09:33 .

[Sique Foque]

I love Mass Effect with Dialogue Wheel but it was a different game concept.



To transfer this central idea to Dragon Age just seems wrong and not organic. That has nothing to do with whining about changes. This decision just seems like every game is gonna be an interactive movie in the future, to express it polemically...

[iNZoW]

Whats wrong with using the wheel? Instead of using DA:O numbered style, they use them on a wheel style but with the same options. Or am i missing something in here?

[Eleinehmm]

No - The options are Mass-Effectish summarizations, not DAO style replies.

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 10 juillet 2010 - 09:42 .

[Giubba]

Eleinehmm wrote...


Maybe we should implement this system  on  the forums first …

Yeah it REEEEEEEALLy change a lot

[nacholibre83]

Using the wheel will reduce the cost of VO..

[Xandurpein]

errant_knight wrote...

Solostran85 wrote...

Why Bioware? Most people like the DAO dialogue system better. Anyway DA2 sounds like a major let down. I wont even bother with it.

Why is the big question. I think it must all be aimed at decreasing conversation and dialogue choices to save money on voice acting. Otherwise, this makes no sense. They tried to decrease it in Awakening, and even more so with this. And yet, all the conversation was what appealed to many most about the game. It, and the freedom to control when and how you conversed with your companions made it feel like a real journey with real people. it set Dragon Age apart from other games in terms of involvement. And yet it's gone.

It really has nothing to do with saving money on voice acting, it won't really affect the amount of voice acting for the NPC I think. What they have stated that they want to achieve is a more "cinematic" experience where the player can read dialogue choices for the PC reads so quickly that they,at least in theory,  have time to choose the response they want while the other character is still talking. That way it will create a conversation where the PC and the other character trades dialogue lines like in a movie.  

[Never]

I'm really excited for the voiced PC. I get immersed in the story much easier when my char doesn't just stand there with a blank face.

I had no idea so many people were up in arms about this. Breathe and have some fun! No game is ever going to be exactly how you want it to be.

[Lost-brain]

A new step in direction of altering a RPG into an Interactive Movie...

[Viconius]

Problem with the wheel in ME2 is that I didn't always know what MY character was going to do or say. If what my characters intentions are made 100% clear without sparing text, I think wheel can work.

Modifié par Viconius, 10 juillet 2010 - 10:02 .

[Eleinehmm]

Giubba1985 wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...


Maybe we should implement this system  on  the forums first …

Yeah it REEEEEEEALLy change a lot

More like This

See - For example I wouldn't choose the first response for my non religious character - But in the case of the Wheel I do not know what he will says...

Modifié par Eleinehmm, 10 juillet 2010 - 10:24 .

[Martanek]

It is here again. Like with ME2, Bioware is tempted to change what worked well or great in previous games. Why do unnecessary experiments in areas that do not need experimenting with? I liked the DA:O conversation system because you had full control over what your character exactly says. With the dialog wheel in place, the character just paraphrases and you never know what they are are going to deliver in the end. This system fits well into the ME universe, but DA:O and ME are very different worlds. Paraphrasing is good to use with action RPGs like ME because you do not have to read tons of text. But the DA:O universe represents a traditional "old-school" RPG so you basically expect a lot of texts to read over. I remember somebody of Bioware saying something in the sense that they could not apply ME's dialog wheel system to DA:O just because of a different nature of both universes. Now, suddenly, it is somehow possible. Does that mean there will be less emphasis on dialogues in the upcoming sequel?

It is not good news, really. Origins are gone, a hero named Hawke is highlighted, combat will be more "responsive" and "dynamic", there is going to be even more action in DA:O 2 as Mr. Muzyka stated on DA:O 2's announcement day... Does that mean DA:O 2 will feel less of an RPG this time? Looks like DA:O 2 has begun following the ME2 example. I have a strong feeling, which grows stronger with every piece of "good" news on DA:O 2, that consoles are DA:O 2's primary platform and the PC is secondary. I wish I were wrong though...

I write this in every other post but here it is again: I remain alert even more.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The wheel makes perfect sense since Hawke is voiced. You can't have one without the other really. Now the question is, do you want to play *a* character in a movie-like game which you essentially direct? Or do you want to play *your* character in a story you live through? That's the big question that all those details (VA, dialogue wheel) come back to. There are valid points to liking both styles. But my preference of DA:O compared to ME is largely due to my preference of the classic genre and I would have preferred if DA2 remained faithful to its origin and not tried to mutt itself with a game I consider inferior (but still great). That said, I am sure DA2 will be a great game, even if it probabyl won't have the same impact on me as Origins did.

[OriginsIsBest]

Thats it! Ive completely had it with this!

Everything so far has been a disapointment. There hasnt been one good thing about Dragon age 2 so far. I know for a fact im not buying this game now. enjoy YOUR fanasty Bioware.



I for one cant stand Mass effect dialogs. I pity the people who go into a shop buying Dragon age 2 without reading this. They are going to be so disapointed as am I.

[Ravenfeeder]

I really hope the 'Wheel' is just for consoles. Radial menu's are just rubbish on PC's. I'm not impressed with voiced PC but, if well done, I could learn to love. However a radial menu is probably a deal-breaker for me. I found ME unplayable after 2 hours of struggling with the thing.

[Rogue Unit]

If the wheel is more defined and gives you a better clue as to what you'll say - I'm all for it.

In DA:O you stood there like a zombie and people just ''read'' your mind. It'll give a sense that my character is more real at least to me.

[Rogue Unit]

OriginsIsBest wrote...

Thats it! Ive completely had it with this!
Everything so far has been a disapointment. There hasnt been one good thing about Dragon age 2 so far. I know for a fact im not buying this game now. enjoy YOUR fanasty Bioware.

I for one cant stand Mass effect dialogs. I pity the people who go into a shop buying Dragon age 2 without reading this. They are going to be so disapointed as am I.

RAWR!

Create a new account to rage on while you quietly follow the game until release and buy it. Gotcha!

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 10 juillet 2010 - 10:35 .

[Xandurpein]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The wheel makes perfect sense since Hawke is voiced. You can't have one without the other really. Now the question is, do you want to play *a* character in a movie-like game which you essentially direct? Or do you want to play *your* character in a story you live through? That's the big question that all those details (VA, dialogue wheel) come back to. There are valid points to liking both styles. But my preference of DA:O compared to ME is largely due to my preference of the classic genre and I would have preferred if DA2 remained faithful to its origin and not tried to mutt itself with a game I consider inferior (but still great). That said, I am sure DA2 will be a great game, even if it probabyl won't have the same impact on me as Origins did.

I'm with you on this. I think there are strengths and weaknesses with both systems. What makes me sad is that instead of keeping both systems for different games, Bioware seems to be moving towards abandoning those of us who want to play "your" character totally. That is sad.

[iTomes]

Imo the wheel can be a good thing. it only has to tell me precisly what my char will say (for example it shouldn't say OK, but sth. like "for the maker", so i know what ill say). i only hope it wont be like in ME2 where u had 1 (in words: ONE!!!!!!!!!) FRIGGIN SUITABLE OPTION!!!!! that was not dialoque that was just (worst expression u can think of)!!

[brain_damage]

Horrible. Hello there, third person person, goodbye first person person. The character in Dragon Age was somebody the player can associate with, you can model him/her after yourself. And in Mass Effect the character is just....somebody whose shoulder you can look over and nod.

Also, goodbye gay romances.

[Rogue Unit]

brain_damage wrote...

Horrible. Hello there, third person person, goodbye first person person. The character in Dragon Age was somebody the player can associate with, you can model him/her after yourself. And in Mass Effect the character is just....somebody whose shoulder you can look over and nod.
Also, goodbye gay romances.

You can model Shepard after yourself and you saw more of your Shepards face than the PC in DA:O.
If I recall correctly DA:O had alot of conversation and 95% the time your were looking over your PC shoulder...
And the few convos you do see his/her face they're sitting with a blank expression and blood splatter all over their face.

[Solidbebe]

Surely people from Bioware read these threads, can't they see that they are making the wrong decisions??

[Rogue Unit]

Solidbebe wrote...

Surely people from Bioware read these threads, can't they see that they are making the wrong decisions??

The people complaining and crying probably dont even represent 1% of Biowares fanbase.