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[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Sabariel wrote...
Even if your Warden tells Morrigan to eff off she shows up in Orlais. There's plenty of Wardens there for her to fornicate with.

Sure, but none of those children would have the soul of an old god.

[Jimmy Fury]

Juneya wrote...

Everyone assumes that it's her child.

Sorry, but it can't be her child.

Some players never concieved a child with Morrigan using the ritual.

Bioware wouldn't make it her child with complete disreguard to player's decisions, unless somewhere soon after the battle Morrigan somehow found a dragon and decided to screw it senseless, or was just "given a baby" to her by one of the old gods in the fade.

I completely agree that canonizing the dark ritual would be lame and screw over everyone who didn't do it (females who were overprotective of alistair are a terrifying group and should not be crossed by anyone, even bioware...)

Buuuut. There is another explanation that doesn't involve a demi-god being Morrigan's child...
Remember that none of the ending slides, absolutely none of them, ever said anyone saw Morrigan with child. Only someone "fitting morrigan's description."
(the one that did confirm her even being alive after she disappeared said nothing about a child and mentioned regret...)
If we recall everything Morrigan told us about her mother then it's a safe bet she was up to something the entire time. There was, therefore, probably a reason she sent her daughter/life insurance off with the last 2 grey wardens in ferelden during a blight.
One quick choice-import from a saved game could determine whether or not dragon-girl is Morrigan's kid with an arch demon's soul or Flemeth Reborn with one.

[Bootsykk]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Juneya wrote...

Everyone assumes that it's her child.

Sorry, but it can't be her child.

Some players never concieved a child with Morrigan using the ritual.

Bioware wouldn't make it her child with complete disreguard to player's decisions, unless somewhere soon after the battle Morrigan somehow found a dragon and decided to screw it senseless, or was just "given a baby" to her by one of the old gods in the fade.

Remember how they did that regardless by not implementing a proper explanation as to why the Ultimate Sacrifice Warden was alive again during Awakening? Well, yeah...

Um, remember how the Ultimate Sacrifice Warden was actually the Ritual Warden during Awakening if you decided to play them? You didn't have to play them at all if it bothered you. Therefore, the decision was NOT made at all without reguard to your choices! You made the choice to start a game with the Ultimate Sacrifice Warden that was alive during awakening without an properly implemented explanation.

Besides, that was a rather short expansion with a rushed feel. I kind of doubt that Bioware would give us the same kind of half-thought-out process for an entirely new game...

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

DJmacpher wrote...

 Some one said they thought the game started when the warden in DA:O gets to Lothering (cause thats around when it's destroyed).
I think it starts several years after that. I mean look at this guy. 

I don't think he'd just run away, unless he was a kid when it happened. 

Hawk could be the boy you told to go to the chantry, after his mother was killed, the quest you get from the chantry board to retrieve her locket.

[Zerthus]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

DJmacpher wrote...

 Some one said they thought the game started when the warden in DA:O gets to Lothering (cause thats around when it's destroyed).
I think it starts several years after that. I mean look at this guy. 

I don't think he'd just run away, unless he was a kid when it happened. 

Hawk could be the boy you told to go to the chantry, after his mother was killed, the quest you get from the chantry board to retrieve her locket.

Hawke can be either male or female. So....no. It's not that annoying little brat. 
Was anyone else really annoyed by his voice, or was it just me? o.O

[Davasar]

Time line does NOT match. Hawkes story is only a ten year span, his story starts after the attack on Lothering.

[Chuvvy]

We've already found out she's actually Duke Nukem and DA2 is Duke Nukem forever.

[Keithhy]

Please, please let Hawke's voice be done by the chap who played that bandit outside Lothering; he was a classic!

As for the mystery girl, there's not a lot we can do but speculate, or at least until we get more information, that is.

*Hurries off to the garage, where's he's secretly working on a DeLorean that will allow him to travel through time!*

[Jestina]

Well...Flemeth, Morrigan, child of one night knock up...would not be shockers because everyone is already expecting that.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Juneya wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Juneya wrote...

Everyone assumes that it's her child.

Sorry, but it can't be her child.

Some players never concieved a child with Morrigan using the ritual.

Bioware wouldn't make it her child with complete disreguard to player's decisions, unless somewhere soon after the battle Morrigan somehow found a dragon and decided to screw it senseless, or was just "given a baby" to her by one of the old gods in the fade.

Remember how they did that regardless by not implementing a proper explanation as to why the Ultimate Sacrifice Warden was alive again during Awakening? Well, yeah...

Um, remember how the Ultimate Sacrifice Warden was actually the Ritual Warden during Awakening if you decided to play them? You didn't have to play them at all if it bothered you. Therefore, the decision was NOT made at all without reguard to your choices! You made the choice to start a game with the Ultimate Sacrifice Warden that was alive during awakening without an properly implemented explanation.

Besides, that was a rather short expansion with a rushed feel. I kind of doubt that Bioware would give us the same kind of half-thought-out process for an entirely new game...

Guess that's one way to look at it. To me, however, it seems to imply that the Ritual Warden was indeed canon. As does this new dragon lady we've been seeing.

I'd rather see thing the other way around, but alas.

[Altima Darkspells]

Might I offer an alternative theory?



The woman is clearly a magic user. If you look at male!Hawke, you'll notice in his non-sword arm, he has something of a claw. This woman also has a claw.



Couldn't it be possible that she is simply female!Hawke?



Aw, who am I kidding, BioWare will do the same thing it always does. Iconic!Hawke will be male, we'll never even see mention that Hawke can be either gender, and half the game base will be surprised that you can, indeed, choose Hawke to be female.

[sporky1]

Unless Morrigan's child ages in dog years, not likely

[Chuvvy]

Keithhy wrote...

Please, please let Hawke's voice be done by the chap who played that bandit outside Lothering; he was a classic!
As for the mystery girl, there's not a lot we can do but speculate, or at least until we get more information, that is.
*Hurries off to the garage, where's he's secretly working on a DeLorean that will allow him to travel through time!*

I liked "Scavanger" from Stens' personal quest. "They're mine. Not litterally you understand, they're not my bodies. I only got one and I'm not dead."

[mosaiclobster]

I would love to believe this were true. As for the fact that it's supposed to be a "shocker"... well honestly, what could shock us at this point? People are throwing out every idea they can think of, all the time. I won't discount this theory based on the fact it's supposed to be such a surprise... because really, what could surprise us at this point?



And, I really don't understand why so many seem to think DA2 will start right after the events of DAO. A full grown seasoned warrior wouldn't flee like that.. Hawke was likely a child, and that's how s/he was able to get out of there/escape notice. And since I HIGHLY doubt we'll be playing as a child or teenager, it's far, far more likely that the game will start about 20 years later.



That would put Hawke at around 30, and then we'd play through the next ten years of his or her life. The concept art we've seen so far certainly doesn't make him look like a 20 year old, nevermind younger..

[DJmacpher]

Time line does NOT match. Hawkes story is only a ten year span, his story starts after the attack on Lothering.

It was never confirmed that the story starts right after the destruction of Lothering. For all anyone knows it could be 10 years later.

[Felfenix]

sporky1 wrote...

Unless Morrigan's child ages in dog years, not likely

Who actually knows how fast a half Dragon-Demon-God half Human child conceived via ancient wild magic ritual by a Gray Warden and Witch would mature?

The quick to mature super child is a gimmick that's been pulled a lot in various settings, and I wouldn't put it past Bioware. There is crazier stuff in the DA world.

Modifié par Felfenix, 10 juillet 2010 - 05:21 .

[DJmacpher]

And, I really don't understand why so many seem to think DA2 will start right after the events of DAO. A full grown seasoned warrior wouldn't flee like that.. Hawke was likely a child, and that's how s/he was able to get out of there/escape notice. And since I HIGHLY doubt we'll be playing as a child or teenager, it's far, far more likely that the game will start about 20 years later.


That would put Hawke at around 30, and then we'd play through the next ten years of his or her life. The concept art we've seen so far certainly doesn't make him look like a 20 year old, nevermind younger.. 

Ya, what she said.

[Felfenix]

As for the "But my Warden didn't sleep with her, and I didn't let Alis/Log do it either!" people... Alistair (or Log) stuck off and did the ritual behind your back. XP

"But how come X died?" - Morrigan lied for the lulz? >_>;?

Darkspawn Chronicles isn't canon. The characters I didn't complete the game with aren't canon. I don't think every conceiveable possibility needs to be canon.

Modifié par Felfenix, 10 juillet 2010 - 05:26 .

[Zerthus]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Might I offer an alternative theory?

The woman is clearly a magic user. If you look at male!Hawke, you'll notice in his non-sword arm, he has something of a claw. This woman also has a claw.

Couldn't it be possible that she is simply female!Hawke?

Aw, who am I kidding, BioWare will do the same thing it always does. Iconic!Hawke will be male, we'll never even see mention that Hawke can be either gender, and half the game base will be surprised that you can, indeed, choose Hawke to be female.

I am loving that theory sooooooo much, but I think the resemblance to the Dragon in the GI cover kinda makes it unlikely. Also, it's already be said multiple times that Hawke can be either male or female. 

[Zerthus]

DJmacpher wrote...

Time line does NOT match. Hawkes story is only a ten year span, his story starts after the attack on Lothering.

It was never confirmed that the story starts right after the destruction of Lothering. For all anyone knows it could be 10 years later.

While nothing is confirmed, it is noted that the game is happening in a new area(the Free Marches) so you could likely assume that the game starts sometime AFTER Hawke reached this area. 

[Felfenix]

Morrigan promises to have the child someplace far away from Ferelden, where it wouldn't be that country's problem. The Free Marches are far away...

[Altima Darkspells]

Zerthus wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...

Might I offer an alternative theory?

The woman is clearly a magic user. If you look at male!Hawke, you'll notice in his non-sword arm, he has something of a claw. This woman also has a claw.

Couldn't it be possible that she is simply female!Hawke?

Aw, who am I kidding, BioWare will do the same thing it always does. Iconic!Hawke will be male, we'll never even see mention that Hawke can be either gender, and half the game base will be surprised that you can, indeed, choose Hawke to be female.

I am loving that theory sooooooo much, but I think the resemblance to the Dragon in the GI cover kinda makes it unlikely. Also, it's already be said multiple times that Hawke can be either male or female. 

Perhaps it's a mirror image of Hawke--you can be a valiant savior destroying darkspawn, or you can join the Blight yourself and bring destruction?

And yes, I know that BioWare has said Hawke can be male or female, but Iconic!Hawke--the Hawke they will use for commercials, previews, gameplay demos, in short, everything will be your standard ruggedly good looking male, like, say, Shepard.  Or even the Warden from DAO, at least in the commercials.  Go on--scower ME1/2's trailers, movies, and so on, see if you can find mention of femShepard.  You can't.

Beginning to think that BioWare's sexist with DAO, what with them hinting that the most badass female character in the game should end up knocked up.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

gamerm wrote...

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

DJmacpher wrote...

 Some one said they thought the game started when the warden in DA:O gets to Lothering (cause thats around when it's destroyed).
I think it starts several years after that. I mean look at this guy. 

I don't think he'd just run away, unless he was a kid when it happened. 

Hawk could be the boy you told to go to the chantry, after his mother was killed, the quest you get from the chantry board to retrieve her locket.

I told the kid to beat lol

LOL, to bad for you!

Who says that kid can't be Hawk, who can be a girl.  I don't think that kid at the bridge had time to grow ****** yet. 

From reading offical release notes from news announced today.  Hawk was in Lothering when our Grey Warden passed by.  He fled Lothering before it got sacked.  Hawks story picks up 10 years later putting him about 20 years of age, so it had to be a kid in Lothering, question is which one? Not the little elf girl with her family.

Only other people going North when Wardens are in Lothering had to do with those dudes during the chasind thing at the chantry, and part of the merchant/sister fight.  Alot of kids in the refugee area.