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[Rubbish Hero]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

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No, really, you managed to get rid of most of the things Dragon Age fans, and others liked about the game, and made it into fantasy Mass Effect.

Seriously, good work. I can't even follow the writers or designers anymore, because you have let me down so much. You have a crapload of fans who love your games, and you just screw them over. I was holding on a string yesterday, I was excited, but I was worried. What the hell is the point of wiping out most of the things about the first Dragon Age? What, tell me, please? You had Mass Effect players saying they wanted a voiced PC, they wanted better graphics, but really? You know people like to complain, you know people don't care for real. You know people adore Dragon Age and replayed it and replayed it and replayed it.

Good work here, guys. You really let down an entire fanbase. I can't be optimistic anymore, because all I see is Mass Effect in fantasy world.

Sure, it's a couple of pictures, a few pieces of info, but they are pretty crucial.

I am going back to play Knights of The Old Republic. At least then you could make a silent protagonist and have most people not mind. Seriously, your problem was you ignored the protagonist, you didn't give them enough cinematic time. So now you just go, "Oh! Wipe it out!" When you could have done so much with it.

I don't want everything RPG to be Mass Effect now. You are too scared to go another route. Apparently Dragon Age sold more than ME, even. 

"Return to your roots"? Whatever.

I am so upset, honestly. This is not a fan overreacting, this is a fan whose been let down too many times by you guys.

Are you being sarcastic?

[BallaZs]

lol Bioware did nothing wrong.

Its just the 'fans' who keeps crying and whining based on 10 line information.

Just ignore the fools, DA2 is going to be great.

[LPPrince]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

MoMan313 wrote...

whole POINT of a sequel is to CONTINUE off the base story! Not  create a different story in the same lands/Area!

Fable 2 took place in Albion, same as Fable 1.

Yet had nothing to do with the first. Not the same character, not the same story, totally different gameplay, etc etc.

It was called a sequel to the first. No one complained. No one argued it wasn't.

Assassin's Creed 2 follows the same story of Desmond Miles from the first, but the story of the ancestor, making up the actual game, was completely different.

New time period, new story, new main character, new way to progress through the plot, etc etc.

It was called a sequel to the first. No one complained. No one argued it wasn't.

DA2 is a sequel to the first. Get over it.

Fable 1 the main protagonsit's story ended, there was no motivation for him/her to go forward.
Assassin's Creed 1 Altair's story was ended, in present they found the Pieces of Eden which was the whole plan all along, Altair's story is done and good, but with the Animus they paved a way for the driection of a new ancestor.

In DA:O our Warden's story was not finished, not even in DLC, we get Morrigan off somewhere with her god-demon-baby child (if you did the DR) and maybe even your hero becoming the King/Queen of Ferelden, and of course the last line of the epilogue "But her/his tale is not over yet..."
What is the logical assumption of this? We assumed that DA2 will continue our Warden's story, but no not even that, it's a character named Hawke? And our Warden's story is going to finished in DLC? So you leave us on a cliffhanger, and then scrap it and put in DLC and make and entire new story of a person named Hawke, who is a refugee from Lothering, and claim oh yes claim that his will outdo that of our Warden's and make him/her the hero of Dragon Age? Dissapointing there <_<

Also Assassin's Creed's story and characters were awful so no one cared about them anyway.

Maybe YOU didn't, but others DO care for them. Don't state your opinion as fact.

[LPPrince]

BallaZs wrote...

lol Bioware did nothing wrong.
Its just the 'fans' who keeps crying and whining based on 10 line information.
Just ignore the fools, DA2 is going to be great.

This is pretty much what is happening.

[Rubbish Hero]

BallaZs wrote... Its just the 'fans' who keeps crying and whining based on 10 line information.
Just ignore the fools, DA2 is going to be great.

Aren't you doing showing the same attitude by predicitng it will be great?
It could be like Halo.

[LPPrince]

Behindyounow wrote...

Theres no point in playing as the Warden in DA2, because you're not fighting a Blight. Simple as.

The problem people are having is that they assumed.

And you know what they say about assuming.

[LPPrince]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

BallaZs wrote... Its just the 'fans' who keeps crying and whining based on 10 line information.
Just ignore the fools, DA2 is going to be great.

Aren't you doing showing the same attitude by predicitng it will be great?
It could be like Halo.

Halo was great. I don't want the game to PLAY like Halo, but if it can get universal critical acclaim and revolutionize its respective genre like Halo did, then I'm all for it.

[Rubbish Hero]

LPPrince wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

BallaZs wrote... Its just the 'fans' who keeps crying and whining based on 10 line information.
Just ignore the fools, DA2 is going to be great.

Aren't you doing showing the same attitude by predicitng it will be great?
It could be like Halo.

Halo was great. I don't want the game to PLAY like Halo, but if it can get universal critical acclaim and revolutionize its respective genre like Halo did, then I'm all for it.

No, Halo was an average game that has turned almost all FPS as well as FPS/RPG crap. It is the Black Death of streamlining for control pads.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 10 juillet 2010 - 06:24 .

[Talonfire]

Anathemic wrote...
Wait so how does Warden (Origins) to Hawke (DA2) back to Warden (DA3) make any sense?.

How does it not make any sense, exactly?

This is not even continuation more like jumping around randomly
throughout characters

It's not random if it's planned, and we have no way of knowing what BioWare has planned.

Now from this, we are getting DLC for DA:O and probally going to finish off the Warden's story in DA:O, if not I and many others will be dissapointed

He said there will be more DLC, he didn't say it would conclude the Warden's story. You're only speculating that the DLC will conclude the character's storyline, but I haven't seen any evidence to back this up.

I didn't say this, an age can have many heros but Hawke is going to be the main hero of Dragon Age outdoing our Warden's achievements, makes us feel DA:O was for nothing.

And on what basis did you form this conclusion? We don't know much about the character or their role in shaping the world, and there is certainly no reason to conclude that Hawke is going to outdo the Warden's achievements.

[Paromlin]

LPPrince wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Theres no point in playing as the Warden in DA2, because you're not fighting a Blight. Simple as.

The problem people are having is that they assumed.

And you know what they say about assuming.

Oh, just shut up and stop defending a game that hasn't even come out yet like your life depends on it.

People are reacting to facts: one named character with a preset dramatic backgroud, voiced, dialogue wheel etc.

[Daeion]

allothernamesweretaken wrote...

Daeion wrote...

I guess my biggest problem with DA2 is that it won't be a continuation of DA:O. Sure sure, some of the things we did may transfer over, i.e who is king or queen, but with ME2 as an indication of how consequences carry over I expect even less considering we aren't even using the same cast, and that's quite a disappointment. One of the things BW does really well is develop characters and companions and typically leads us to wanting more. I know that what I wanted, and I was looking forward to continuing my adventures with the group, i didn't really think the the quick little single paragraph write ups and the end of origins and awakening would be the end of my group. My warden still had lots of adventuring to do and I wanted to play out those adventures, not start another char with whom I have ties to. I guess one of my biggest fears at this point is that they may try to incorporate some of origins and awakening companions into DA2 just to pay us lip service and I think that would be even worse then what they've done now.

The decisions you made in DA:O were world shaking.  The ones you made in ME were small, and personal.

You don't need the same cast to show the impact of the choices we made in DA:O

I disagree, you make some pretty big choices in ME, who lives, who dies, do you keep it or don't you. 

No you don't need the same cast to show the impact of your choices however when you actually "live" through those experiences with the same cast that made them, it makes it that much more personal and that's what makes a game truely everlasting for RPG fans.

Modifié par Daeion, 10 juillet 2010 - 06:29 .

[LPPrince]

Paromlin wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Theres no point in playing as the Warden in DA2, because you're not fighting a Blight. Simple as.

The problem people are having is that they assumed.

And you know what they say about assuming.

Oh, just shut up and stop defending a game that hasn't even come out yet like your life depends on it.

People are reacting to facts: one named character with a preset dramatic backgroud, voiced, dialogue wheel etc.

Oh, just relax and stop bashing a game that hasn't even come out yet like your life depends on it.

People are reacting to facts: one named character with a preset dramatic backgroud, voiced, dialogue wheel etc.

And making a big deal about it like its the end of the World.

[Paromlin]

LPPrince wrote...


Oh, just relax and stop bashing a game that hasn't even come out yet like your life depends on it.

People are reacting to facts: one named character with a preset dramatic backgroud, voiced, dialogue wheel etc.

And making a big deal about it like its the end of the World.

And imagine how pathetic is to be their shadow, following them around the forums and desperately trying to prove they're wrong.

[Daeion]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I've never been happier that I've never played Mass Effect. Can't dread DA2 being like a game I've never experienced.

Seriously though, I don't mind Hawke being voiced so long as this new dialogue system doesn't put words into my character's mouth. Clicking to say one thing and then watching the game autopilot a conversation without me...I prefer the vanilla DA:O system. I want to choose what's said, not prompt, be involved in the game and not spectate.

But since some things haven't been announced yet, I will wait and hope.

(You could always make DA2 be like PacMan. Everyone loves PacMan.)

I don't really mind the ME conversation style and I like that my character actually has a voice.  To me the ME wheel is supposed to be about gut reactions to a conversation or situation because in the game world you are typically in a situation where you should be making snap decisions.  The DA system on the other hand is one where you are supposed to be taking your time to decide what to say because you're probably in a more delicate political situation, especially as you are the leader of your order in the region.

[thearidzoner]

Do we know how this game will effect the toolset?

[LPPrince]

Paromlin wrote...

LPPrince wrote...


Oh, just relax and stop bashing a game that hasn't even come out yet like your life depends on it.

People are reacting to facts: one named character with a preset dramatic backgroud, voiced, dialogue wheel etc.

And making a big deal about it like its the end of the World.

And imagine how pathetic is to be their shadow, following them around the forums and desperately trying to prove they're wrong.

I could say the same about what you're doing to me right now. Trying to get me to stop defending a game that's not out yet, a game that we barely know anything about.

A game where the only facts we know about have yet to be seen or played by a single person here that's crying, complaining, and moaning about it.

[BigEd420]

Bioware, has made games that I spend 80 hours of my life playing. I trust them, not to let me down.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Solostran85 wrote...

I agree with everything you said Lucy. DA2 sounds nothing like the first game and I'm positive a lot of faithful Bioware fans are extremely disappointed. Hopefully bioware will learn from their mistakes with this new game and make DA3 return to it's rpg roots.

You'd think they would have already learned this mistake by the bad reviews they got for DC.  It's obvious they are not reading their reviews.  I agree with you Lucy.

[Daeion]

Jestina wrote...

ME is an action RPG...ME2 is an even more perfect picture of an action RPG. Action RPG's are basically simplified traditional RPG's that focus mostly on combat, so you don't have a lot of those pesky stats and inventory systems bothering you while you try to mindlessly slaughter stuff.

I disagree, ME was an RPG with some action elements, ME2 is an action game with some RPG elements.  Not everyone finds stats and inventory to be bothersome and some even feel it adds to the game.  While this is more of an arguement for the ME forums I just hope BW doesn't go down the same path and "streamline" like they did in ME2.

[LPPrince]

BigEd420 wrote...

Bioware, has made games that I spend 80 hours of my life playing. I trust them, not to let me down.

I've played hundreds upon hundreds of hours worth of Bioware games.

They have yet to make a game I haven't enjoyed playing.

Sure, I might not like a few things about said games, but that doesn't mean its the end of the World like some people are making it out to be.

[Anathemic]

It's not random if it's planned, and we have no way of knowing what BioWare has planned.
So, if it goes Warden, to Hawke, back to Warden, what happens to Hawke? or is it going to be a same patten of Warden,Hawke, Warden, Hawke, Warden, Hawke, etc.
You are right we have no way of knowing what BioWare is planning, but it doesn't mean we don't have a right to question where they going with it.

He said there will be more DLC, he didn't say it would conclude the Warden's story. You're only speculating that the DLC will conclude the character's storyline, but I haven't seen any evidence to back this up.
And if the DLC won't continue/end the Warden's storyline, where does that leave the Warden?

And on what basis did you form this conclusion? We don't know much about the character or their role in shaping the world, and there is certainly no reason to conclude that Hawke is going to outdo the Warden's achievements.
So if Hawke is not going to outdo the Warden's achivements, we are going from heroic Warden to, champion-of-town-named-Kirkwall Hawke? Seems a little dull in comparison.

[Daeion]

BigEd420 wrote...

Bioware, has made games that I spend 80 hours of my life playing. I trust them, not to let me down.

I'm sure even those of us with concerns will buy the game and enjoy it just like those of us who had concerns about ME2 boought it and enjoyed it.  The issue whough is that many of us think that the game could be better if they stuck closser to what made the original such a success.

[LPPrince]

Anathemic wrote...

It's not random if it's planned, and we have no way of knowing what BioWare has planned.
So, if it goes Warden, to Hawke, back to Warden, what happens to Hawke? or is it going to be a same patten of Warden,Hawke, Warden, Hawke, Warden, Hawke, etc.
You are right we have no way of knowing what BioWare is planning, but it doesn't mean we don't have a right to question where they going with it.

He said there will be more DLC, he didn't say it would conclude the Warden's story. You're only speculating that the DLC will conclude the character's storyline, but I haven't seen any evidence to back this up.
And if the DLC won't continue/end the Warden's storyline, where does that leave the Warden?

And on what basis did you form this conclusion? We don't know much about the character or their role in shaping the world, and there is certainly no reason to conclude that Hawke is going to outdo the Warden's achievements.
So if Hawke is not going to outdo the Warden's achivements, we are going from heroic Warden to, champion-of-town-named-Kirkwall Hawke? Seems a little dull in comparison.

You're assuming. That's where all this hate and questioning is coming from.

You don't know if the Warden's story will end in DLC.

You don't know if Hawke will outdo the Warden.

You just DON'T KNOW.

So instead of worrying about what COULD happen, wait to find out what IS going to happen.

[Daeion]

LPPrince wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

It's not random if it's planned, and we have no way of knowing what BioWare has planned.
So, if it goes Warden, to Hawke, back to Warden, what happens to Hawke? or is it going to be a same patten of Warden,Hawke, Warden, Hawke, Warden, Hawke, etc.
You are right we have no way of knowing what BioWare is planning, but it doesn't mean we don't have a right to question where they going with it.

He said there will be more DLC, he didn't say it would conclude the Warden's story. You're only speculating that the DLC will conclude the character's storyline, but I haven't seen any evidence to back this up.
And if the DLC won't continue/end the Warden's storyline, where does that leave the Warden?

And on what basis did you form this conclusion? We don't know much about the character or their role in shaping the world, and there is certainly no reason to conclude that Hawke is going to outdo the Warden's achievements.
So if Hawke is not going to outdo the Warden's achivements, we are going from heroic Warden to, champion-of-town-named-Kirkwall Hawke? Seems a little dull in comparison.

You're assuming. That's where all this hate and questioning is coming from.

You don't know if the Warden's story will end in DLC.

You don't know if Hawke will outdo the Warden.

You just DON'T KNOW.

So instead of worrying about what COULD happen, wait to find out what IS going to happen.

Yes but waiting is boring and dull

[Paromlin]

LPPrince wrote...

Paromlin wrote...

And imagine how pathetic is to be their shadow, following them around the forums and desperately trying to prove they're wrong.

I could say the same about what you're doing to me right now. Trying to get me to stop defending a game that's not out yet, a game that we barely know anything about.

A game where the only facts we know about have yet to be seen or played by a single person here that's crying, complaining, and moaning about it.

No, you couldn't say that about me because I reacted to your frenzied behaviour - you're popping out in every topic saying how everyone's wrong because we don't know anything.

Here's the thing; if you aren't bothered by certain features it doesn't mean others won't be or can't be. You may like those features and you're entitled to say so, but belittling people's preferences is plain idiotic. Smash that into the baloon on your neck.