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[Bootsykk]

I know that you're disappointed, but Bioware is growing as a company and developing their creative vision. They aren't trying to cater to anyone or let down their fans. They're making a game.



I understand loving the classics, but what if Bioware kept making the exact same game system as the original, simply creating new storylines and dungeon crawls? Gamers would lose interest, and I'm sure even Bioware would begin to get bored of it. It would be like writing a choose-your-own-adventure book, then slapping combat mechanics on it without even risking the question of, "What can I do to make this better?"



I agree with you that I miss a lot of elements from the classics, and that Bioware often seems to not have a clue how to listen to feedback from players, but its the fact that they're taking risks in making their games that I think truly puts them in the ranks of good gaming. I doubt that they just combined the Mass Effect system with the Dragon Age system anyway without any fresh ideas.

[Jestina]

Every tidbit of info they keep giving out points to DA being Mass Effected. If it's going to be that way, then i'll be getting my fantasy RPG fix elsewhere too.

[Noir201]

It's this dip feed crap, instead of rock soild anwsers, thats what is annoying a great deal of us, hell, Mr Gaider, we had to ask on this forum just to know if you could be something other then male, you would help alot of people out by just doing a FaQ and you wouldn't get alot of this.

Modifié par Noir201, 10 juillet 2010 - 04:20 .

[MKDAWUSS]

David Gaider wrote...

I think it's a bit quick to judge, Lucy_Glitter, and that you'll eventually find that there's plenty to recognize and love in DA2-- we're doing our best to make it a worthy successor-- but if there's no way for you to get past some of the changes, then so be it. Sorry you feel that way.

It's that "based on what we've seen so far" type of thing. I can think of a few other yet-to-be-released games where I'm kinda having a similar reaction. Hype is one thing, but substance is another.

[MKDAWUSS]

Juneya wrote...

I know that you're disappointed, but Bioware is growing as a company and developing their creative vision. They aren't trying to cater to anyone or let down their fans. They're making a game.

I thought they were making money...

[Efesell]

Personally I like when the character is more animated and voiced. I feel that they're a much greater part of what's going on around them.



Much as I love DA one of the biggest annoyances to me was that my Warden just looked a doll almost all the time, staring and reacting to almost everything with those creepy dead eyes.

[Anathemic]

David Gaider wrote...

I think it's a bit quick to judge, Lucy_Glitter, and that you'll eventually find that there's plenty to recognize and love in DA2-- we're doing our best to make it a worthy successor-- but if there's no way for you to get past some of the changes, then so be it. Sorry you feel that way.

'Kay just asking here, what made Origins so great?
Immersion
Origins (no brainer)
Story
Character Interaction

Only one origin, strike 1, storyline seems close to ME2, very simaler (recruit the deadliest of allies right?) strike 2, Immersion, transitioning into no VO and dialogue list to full VO and dialogue tree (ME simaler) strike 3, Chracter interaction, there is none I'm watching 2 people talk, strike 4

A whole lot of people would be happier knowing that this will be the same a DA:O just a few little tweaks, smoother combat system, continue story/plot/romances, right now you are revamping the game we all know and love.

Modifié par Anathemic, 10 juillet 2010 - 04:24 .

[Xathras1337]

David Gaider wrote...

I think it's a bit quick to judge, Lucy_Glitter, and that you'll eventually find that there's plenty to recognize and love in DA2-- we're doing our best to make it a worthy successor-- but if there's no way for you to get past some of the changes, then so be it. Sorry you feel that way.

I've read alot of your respones on the forum about the new dialogue style based on interacting rather than interrogating and I gotta say I love the idea and the direction you did it in DA:A. I know close to nothing about the game so far but I'm getting the impression that with this new wheel it will give even more depth to the dialogue and I just wanna say keep up the good work, and I love where this is going!

I'm a fan of deep, long stories and I have full faith you know what you are doing Mr. Gaider! Just some positive opinions for you in what seems to be a storm of raging prejustice and anger all over the forums.

Lots of love from Norway! Now I'm gonna sleep as its past 6am.

[LPPrince]

Anathemic wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I think it's a bit quick to judge, Lucy_Glitter, and that you'll eventually find that there's plenty to recognize and love in DA2-- we're doing our best to make it a worthy successor-- but if there's no way for you to get past some of the changes, then so be it. Sorry you feel that way.

'Kay just asking here, what made Origins so great?
Immersion
Origins (no brainer)
Story
Character Interaction

Only one origin, strike 1, storyline seems close to ME2, very simaler (recruit the deadliest of allies right?) strike 2, Immersion, transitioning into no VO and dialogue list to full VO and dialogue tree (ME simaler) strike 3, Chracter interaction, there is none I'm watching 2 people talk, strike 4

A whole lot of people would be happier knowing that this will be the same a DA:O just a few little tweaks, smoother combat system, continue story/plot/romances, right now you are revamping the game we all know and love.

You've got to be flippin joking.

"Recruit the deadliest of allies".

Supposedly that means the plot is like ME2's?

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID IN DRAGON AGE ORIGINS! WE RECRUITED THE DEADLIEST OF ALLIES FOR A WAR!

My God.

[Brockololly]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 No, really, you managed to get rid of most of the things Dragon Age fans, and others liked about the game, and made it into fantasy Mass Effect.

Amen, Lucy.

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
Good work here, guys. You really let down an entire fanbase. I can't be optimistic anymore, because all I see is Mass Effect in fantasy world.

Keep on preaching! Seriously, I'd love to hear from the devs higher up who made these big decisions to turn DA2 into an ME spinoff. Whats the point? I thought BioWare was all about having a diverse portfolio of games with both  a third person narrative like ME and a first person narrative like DAO? Giving up? What?

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
 Seriously, your problem was you ignored the protagonist, you didn't give them enough cinematic time. So now you just go, "Oh! Wipe it out!" When you could have done so much with it.

Exactamundo! Its the same problems they had with ME2; instead of fixing things that didn't work well in ME1 like the inventory or Mako, they just abandoned them and gutted them altogether. There are plenty of ways to inject more life into the PC without having to make him/her Shepard 2.0.

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
I don't want everything RPG to be Mass Effect now. You are too scared to go another route. Apparently Dragon Age sold more than ME, even.

Right. I'm being totally serious here. Why did the devs and the leads feel it necessary to abandon the first person narrative? Because to make DA more "mainstream" and "accessable" you had to dumb it down for the rubes that can't be bothered to read a few lines of dialogue before hitting "escape" because "rEedin' iz DuM"?

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
I am so upset, honestly. This is not a fan overreacting, this is a fan whose been let down too many times by you guys.

Bingo. I don't know if its just the exaggerated marketing or what, but all the DA2 info I've absorbed thus far makes me NOT want to have anything to do with this "sequel." Its just been all down hill since Origins came out and DA2 only looks to continue that trend further down the spiral.

Prove me wrong, BioWare....

[Stigmatizer N7]

Anathemic wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I think it's a bit quick to judge, Lucy_Glitter, and that you'll eventually find that there's plenty to recognize and love in DA2-- we're doing our best to make it a worthy successor-- but if there's no way for you to get past some of the changes, then so be it. Sorry you feel that way.

'Kay just asking here, what made Origins so great?
Immersion
Origins (no brainer)
Story
Character Interaction

Only one origin, strike 1, storyline seems close to ME2, very simaler (recruit the deadliest of allies right?) strike 2, Immersion, transitioning into no VO and dialogue list to full VO and dialogue tree (ME simaler) strike 3, Chracter interaction, there is none I'm watching 2 people talk, strike 4

A whole lot of people would be happier knowing that this will be the same a DA:O just a few little tweaks, smoother combat system, continue story/plot/romances, right now you are revamping the game we all know and love.

All of the above. The game was as near to perfectas it could be, except for the graphics in my opinion.

[David Gaider]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
I find it's a change that I just don't understand - why do Mass Effect dialogue system, what is the point? If I have a good explanation, maybe I can understand it. It's upsetting for me, because I like Dragon Age, I love it. This feels like you are betraying Dragon Age fans. I don't see the point of completely changing things, it's silly and it really does upset me. like, really. I am actually really sad right now.

I hope that's not true. I might understand how some people who enjoyed every part of Dragon Age: Origins-- the bad along with the good-- might not like even the mere mention of change, but it's my experience that any system comes with its advantages as well as disadvantages. I'd be glad to discuss some of them with you... once we've even said what our implementation of these systems will be like. That information will come in time.

Modifié par David Gaider, 10 juillet 2010 - 04:42 .

[TMZuk]

The fact alone that it is voiced, is almost unbearable. In ME2 I have never been able to complete as a male, because the VA is so flat, and without emotion, IMO, that it grates in my ears and makes me cringe. And even though I like the female VA in ME is a lot better, she too have me cringing my toes from time to time... "Noooo, I did not want you to say that, and especially not in that tone of voice."

The problem aout DA wasn't that the protagonist was silent, but that her/his face was blank. All it would have taken was some facial animations, one thing ME DOES do well.

Protagonist VA, more combat, no character continuation... and Hawke... *cringes*. I am still waiting for something to be excited about!!!!

Modifié par TMZuk, 10 juillet 2010 - 04:30 .

[dmgdougshow]

I completely agree. They had an exceptional formula, and had to drastically change it, as opposed to just tweaking things here or there. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[Brockololly]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I think it's a bit quick to judge, Lucy_Glitter, and that you'll eventually find that there's plenty to recognize and love in DA2-- we're doing our best to make it a worthy successor-- but if there's no way for you to get past some of the changes, then so be it. Sorry you feel that way.

I find it's a change that I just don't understand - why do Mass Effect dialogue system, what is the point? If I have a good explanation, maybe I can understand it. It's upsetting for me, because I like Dragon Age, I love it. This feels like you are betraying Dragon Age fans. I don't see the point of completely changing things, it's silly and it really does upset me. like, really. I am actually really sad right now.

I'd just like some sort of explanation or reasoning why the ME style changes were made for DA2. I'm legitimately, seriously confused on this issue. Muzyka and Zeschuk stated many times in past interviews how DA was designed to be different than ME for a reason. So why turn your back on all that made DA unique?

This saddens me- I want to like this game, but with each new tidbit released its like they're marketing it to ME fans, not DA fans.

[Anathemic]

Darth Jayder wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I think it's a bit quick to judge, Lucy_Glitter, and that you'll eventually find that there's plenty to recognize and love in DA2-- we're doing our best to make it a worthy successor-- but if there's no way for you to get past some of the changes, then so be it. Sorry you feel that way.

'Kay just asking here, what made Origins so great?
Immersion
Origins (no brainer)
Story
Character Interaction

Only one origin, strike 1, storyline seems close to ME2, very simaler (recruit the deadliest of allies right?) strike 2, Immersion, transitioning into no VO and dialogue list to full VO and dialogue tree (ME simaler) strike 3, Chracter interaction, there is none I'm watching 2 people talk, strike 4

A whole lot of people would be happier knowing that this will be the same a DA:O just a few little tweaks, smoother combat system, continue story/plot/romances, right now you are revamping the game we all know and love.

Yes but it's DA2 ,not DA:O remade.  What's the point of playing practically the same game?  It would be boring after a while.

Most of us expected DA2 be a direct continuation of the story of DA:O, it is not, I'm not saying DA2 has to be the same game, I'm saying that it could atleast directly in some way relate to DA:O, so far I see none but a whole new Dragon Age title that should be called Dragon Age: Rise of Hawke rather than DA2

[dmgdougshow]

Dragon Age hasa somewhat different fan base that ME, and the games are polar opposites, so why try to make them the same or even slightly similar. ME is a shooter RPG, while DA:O is an epic fantasy genre all in it's own. I'm a bit confused myself.

Modifié par dmgdougshow, 10 juillet 2010 - 04:33 .

[bjdbwea]

David Gaider wrote...

I think it's a bit quick to judge, Lucy_Glitter, and that you'll eventually find that there's plenty to recognize and love in DA2-- we're doing our best to make it a worthy successor-- but if there's no way for you to get past some of the changes, then so be it. Sorry you feel that way.

Now when did we hear that before? Oh right, it was before the release of ME 2.

It's nice to see that BioWare employees still participate in the forums by the way, if only with the well-known PR speak. I assume once DA 2 has been released, there'll be silence again though, like on the ME 2 forums now?

Modifié par bjdbwea, 10 juillet 2010 - 04:35 .

[Keithhy]

Hopefully instead of going the Mass Effect way, and having a good, a bad and a neutral response, Dragon Age will still provide us with the pointless, but interesting lines that are so brilliant in DA:O. Also, I'm hoping for choices such as choosing between the lives of two companions, and other events that don't have a happy resolution. Happy endings are always nice, but when my Grey Warden and co. can wade right through the horde and come out unscathed, I feel almost cheated of tragedy.

[Kalfear]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 No, really, you managed to get rid of most of the things Dragon Age fans, and others liked about the game, and made it into fantasy Mass Effect.

Seriously, good work. I can't even follow the writers or designers anymore, because you have let me down so much. You have a crapload of fans who love your games, and you just screw them over. I was holding on a string yesterday, I was excited, but I was worried. What the hell is the point of wiping out most of the things about the first Dragon Age? What, tell me, please? You had Mass Effect players saying they wanted a voiced PC, they wanted better graphics, but really? You know people like to complain, you know people don't care for real. You know people adore Dragon Age and replayed it and replayed it and replayed it.

Good work here, guys. You really let down an entire fanbase. I can't be optimistic anymore, because all I see is Mass Effect in fantasy world.

Sure, it's a couple of pictures, a few pieces of info, but they are pretty crucial.

I am going back to play Knights of The Old Republic. At least then you could make a silent protagonist and have most people not mind. Seriously, your problem was you ignored the protagonist, you didn't give them enough cinematic time. So now you just go, "Oh! Wipe it out!" When you could have done so much with it.

I don't want everything RPG to be Mass Effect now. You are too scared to go another route. Apparently Dragon Age sold more than ME, even. 

"Return to your roots"? Whatever.

I am so upset, honestly. This is not a fan overreacting, this is a fan whose been let down too many times by you guys.

I so agree with you Lucy and im right there with you!

My first concern came with the 20 hour game called Jade Empire but I over looked its flaws because I liked the story and the characters and while combat sucked huge and game was way to short, I forgave!

Then I played KotOR2 and saw how much better KotOR1 could have been, appearently the Bioware guys that left Bioware did have good ideas, but still I forgave

ME came out and I LOVED THAT GAME! Hated the shooter combat but it was minimal so I didnt begrudge Bioware for trying something new as long as they stuck to their roots, and they did!

then DA:O came out and I wanted to hate the game because it was fantasy but it was just to good and to addictive! I was flying high and loving these games and looking so forward to ME2

Then ME2 came out and I was soooo disappointed  I was so let down. I tried to explain why to the devs but they never answered anymore. Then I saw interveiws with the good doctors and either they didnt know what ME2 was going to be or they were flat out lieing for EA now (something they also did regarding nudity in DA:O).

After argueing with the pro ME2 shooter kids I finally accepted that ME wasnt going to be a RPG title anymore and I would just have to wait for DA2 for my RPG fix.

And now this. My disappointment honestly cant be discribed fully! I was in love with the DA:O world, as much as I was in love with the Mass Effect world and seems both now are being dumbed down for a new generation of gamers! What happened to making things better and better? When did we start to accept less and less on our products!

I wasnt to concerned over the VO because people can always turn that off in the options and read the subtitles. But the ME2 dialog wheel??? Thats like having jet packs and going backwards to flapping your arms like they wings. The DA:O dialog choices were so indepth and you knew what you were saying when you made the choice. I never know exactly what im saying with the dialog wheel.

The hits just keep coming.

I was a Bioware fan before many here played their first game but its almost like all the traditional Bioware devs have left and we left with new devs who think faster prettier glossier is better! 

CONTENT is what drives RPGs! 

At this point, the only thing I have to hold onto is Gaider writing this. I can only hope he stands up for substance over flash when it comes to story and interactions.

[RogueWriter3201]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 No, really, you managed to get rid of most of the things Dragon Age fans, and others liked about the game, and made it into fantasy Mass Effect.

Seriously, good work. I can't even follow the writers or designers anymore, because you have let me down so much. You have a crapload of fans who love your games, and you just screw them over. I was holding on a string yesterday, I was excited, but I was worried. What the hell is the point of wiping out most of the things about the first Dragon Age? What, tell me, please? You had Mass Effect players saying they wanted a voiced PC, they wanted better graphics, but really? You know people like to complain, you know people don't care for real. You know people adore Dragon Age and replayed it and replayed it and replayed it.

Good work here, guys. You really let down an entire fanbase. I can't be optimistic anymore, because all I see is Mass Effect in fantasy world.

Sure, it's a couple of pictures, a few pieces of info, but they are pretty crucial.

I am going back to play Knights of The Old Republic. At least then you could make a silent protagonist and have most people not mind. Seriously, your problem was you ignored the protagonist, you didn't give them enough cinematic time. So now you just go, "Oh! Wipe it out!" When you could have done so much with it.

I don't want everything RPG to be Mass Effect now. You are too scared to go another route. Apparently Dragon Age sold more than ME, even. 

"Return to your roots"? Whatever.

I am so upset, honestly. This is not a fan overreacting, this is a fan whose been let down too many times by you guys.

Hmm...I get the subtle impression that you're somewhat upset about Dragon Age 2, no?
Seriously though, I can appreciate that there are things about DA's new direction that you
do not care for; and, in point of fact, I found your Argument well laid out and forthright with-
out coming off as too much of a whiner. None the less, I feel you *are* going out on a
Stretch in certain places.

For one, you assertation that BioWare has taken all the features out of the series that the
"Fans" enjoyed is a bit overbearing; BioWare may have taken elements out that *You* and
some others enjoyed, but to say that "All Fans" feel as cheated as you is slightly presum-
tuous. Are folks who enjoyed DA:O not loving the VO, new combat details, etc? They're not. Do
you and those others emcompass *all* the Fans? Not even close. There may be alot of
Hate threads up right now, but it's common knowledge that Forums are mostly dominated
by those who want to complain about something, as opposed to those who are happy and
feel no need to go on and on and on about something not crucial to the excellence of the
aforementioned game at all; as such, the Haters may not be, and likely are not, in the
Majority. I will admit I don't have solid numbers, but I'd be willing to bet BioWare does, and
it's those numbers that are fueling DA's new Direction.

Your assumption that Fans of the Series didn't want a more indepth Cinematic experience
with a Vocalized character was also overbearing. Again, even though you did not care for
the idea that Dragon Age's Hero recieve a full Voice Over, there are others who certainly
did, and no, they were not only Mass Effect fans. It's easy to find a nostaligic level of attach-
ment to the old school Final Fantasy, D&D text based dialogue, but the simple fact of the
matter is that this is the 21st century, and there are more members of the new guard
everyday (those who enjoy an RP experience added to by well acted and emotionaly accurate
dialogue) and less and less members of the old guard who love nothing more than to scroll
down a list of lines during a scene where response and emotion are key to the moment.
The succes of RPGs like Red Dead Redeption are proof positive of this. 

Your statement that BioWare has chosen to now Ignore the Protaganist? Seriously? BioWare 
choosing to provide a central Hero/Anti Hero with a 10-Year-Long story is "Ignoring" the
Protaganist? And how is creating a lengthy, in depth Life story "Wiping all that out,"? 

Lastly, you say BioWare is afraid to go "Another Route." However, that's exactly what they're
doing, taking *some* mechanics that have proven successful elsewhere and playing with
them, adding to them, and taking Dragon Age in a *New* Direction. What you really want to
say is that you're upset that BioWare is not sticking to the things that *you* like, and that's
why they are "Afraid to do something different," or rather "Afraid to keep the things you want,"  
Also, Dragon Age sold better than Mass Effect 1? Do you have the sales figures on hand?
A link? If not, assuming such a thing does not add well to your argument. In the End, BioWare
has the experience and the pedigree to know what works, and what doesn't. Beside all the
Hate thier titles have recieved from supposed "Fans" every-single-one of thier Games have
gone on to gross big numbers both Critically and Commercially. So, to come in and say,
"I know better than you about what the Fans want," is just so myopic and self-obsorbed. The
day you start a Multi-International, Billion Dollar Game Studio and have years and years of Top
Rated Triple-A titles, than feel free to come back and tell BioWare "How it Should be done,"