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[FRZN]

Made me think of http://hyperboleanda...is-of-2005.html

[Davasar]

Dileos wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Of course you have to take into account that that little bakery has been bought out by a conglomerate who has a history of mass producing it's goods, using sub par pre-made frozen crap instead of fresh, homemade goods in order to shave costs and using catchy advertising and widely appealing flavors in order to get people to look past the cheap ingredients and increase it's bottom line.

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[TheMadCat]

LOLZAO wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Of course you have to take into account that that little bakery has been bought out by a conglomerate who has a history of mass producing it's goods, using sub par pre-made frozen crap instead of fresh, homemade goods in order to shave costs and using catchy advertising and widely appealing flavors in order to get people to look past the cheap ingredients and increase it's bottom line.

what people dont seen to get is that games are not made for fun ,but for money and if they(developers,publishers)see a change to make some more money they will do it.Just because you dont like it they are not going to change . and about the catchy advertising what do you want then to do.....to only show the bad points of the games and not atract any audience and dont sell copies ? they need the money to live man,of course you could say that they are already rich, but money ends, and they need the money to make new games cause the developers aren´t there just cause they love video games  they are there to make a live for them, because as i said before they are there to make money ,not to grant wishes to you or me or anyone here

also....the cake is a lie

Oh I understand they have to make money, I probably understand that better then anyone on this board. What I also understand in EA's business model, I understand their desired formula of high budget "flashy" games that get matched with an enormous advertising budget, focusing more and more on the casual gamer due to the infintly increasing budgets. There is nothing inheritly wrong with this, but what the casual gamer seeks is typically different from what BioWare fans grew up on. Casual gamers want quick, fast, simple, and action packed where as BioWare games have always been about the slow unfolding of a story with aspects such as combat typically being in the back seat to dialogue and character development.

I also understand their model of buying entire development firms simply for their IP's (Which is a terrible business decision to begin with), milking those IP's to death through rapid production of full titles, expansions, and DLC. Then once they've milked it to dust they take a shot gun and blow that studios head clear off, sucking in it's prime talent into EA internal studio #429 and sending the rest to the unemployment line.

I understand what a business is, I understand it's purpose. That doesn't mean I like that businesses decisions and goals. They've got to make money but there are plenty of companies both inside and out of the video game market who generate a ton of profit and operate well, many far more successful then EA who has turned a profit twice in the last 15 quarters.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 10 juillet 2010 - 05:24 .

[onotix]

THE CAKE ISNT A LIE AND I HAVE PROOF!

[FRZN]

onotix wrote...

THE CAKE ISNT A LIE AND I HAVE PROOF!

[allothernamesweretaken]

LOLZAO wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

Of course you have to take into account that that little bakery has been bought out by a conglomerate who has a history of mass producing it's goods, using sub par pre-made frozen crap instead of fresh, homemade goods in order to shave costs and using catchy advertising and widely appealing flavors in order to get people to look past the cheap ingredients and increase it's bottom line.

what people dont seen to get is that games are not made for fun ,but for money and if they(developers,publishers)see a change to make some more money they will do it.Just because you dont like it they are not going to change . and about the catchy advertising what do you want then to do.....to only show the bad points of the games and not atract any audience and dont sell copies ? they need the money to live man,of course you could say that they are already rich, but money ends, and they need the money to make new games cause the developers aren´t there just cause they love video games  they are there to make a live for them, because as i said before they are there to make money ,not to grant wishes to you or me or anyone here

also....the cake is a lie

you just endorsed selling out.

Bioware makes enough money. Hell, Dragon Age sold better than Mass Effect

[Anathemic]

Dileos wrote...

Or putting dog crap in a pan and calling it hot fudge.

Now this, this is the correct analogy

[errant_knight]

LPPrince wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

 A customer enters a bakery for the first time and buys a chocolate cake.  After taking it home and eating it, the customer is pleasantly surprised by how delicious this bakery's chocolate cake is.  Soon the customer begins to try other flavors of cake, and each one is as good as the last.  Eventually the customer touts this bakery as its favorite in the entire county.

Over the years, however, the bakery slowly shifts its focus from cakes to cookies.  Though the customer doesn't mind cookies, obviously cake is more preferable.  Soon the bakery's most popular item is its renowned chocolate chip cookies.  The customer laments the loss of cake, but buys the chocolate chip cookies none the less.

One day, to the customer's delight, the bakery begins to make cupcakes, citing them as the spiritual successor to cake.  With only one bite of a chocolate cupcake, the customer is immediately satisfied by the familiar taste, so much so  that the customer buys a cupcake every week!

On one of those weeks, the customer notices a sign outside of the bakery: "If you enjoy our chocolate chip cookies," the sign advertises, "perhaps you should try our new chocolate chip cupcakes!"

"Chocolate chips?", the customer fumes, "in cupcakes?!  This is the last straw!"  The customer walks away, without even tasting the new chocolate chip cupcakes, denouncing the bakery, its chef, and its patrons as "having lost it," though no really knowing what that means.

The fact that the customer doesn't mind chocolate chip cookies throws this off target. If they disliked cookies, and the bakery stopped making cake, a customer would soon go to a new bakery, or find something new to enjoy outside of desserts. No one is going to partake of something they don't like.

Then all these doomsayers need to stop buying Bioware games.

Except they WILL buy these games. So that really wouldn't work.

Not really. I've rarely bought a Bioware game. Well, I bought Kotor. I played Mass Effect once at a friends and decided not to buy it. I'm not even slightly interested in Mass Effect 2. I bought Dragon Age because of what it was, and if DA2 doesn't have the things that made DA1 so special for me, I won't buy it any more than I bought Mass Effect.

[ERJAK1]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

The fact of the matter is; I have been with BW for a long time, I know a lot of their fans.

They are let down, they have been let down for a while, now. They are sick of it.

Are you insane? Name one game Bioware made that wasn't FANTASTIC, let alone good or great. 

So Bioware is going in a new direction? So what? They OBVIOUSLY know what they're doing and the smart money says DA2 will be one of the top 3 games of 2010. 

And for the record the only thing I've ever felt let down about in a bioware game was the lack of F/F romance in ME2. And even that was a minor cosmetic thing.

[TheMadCat]

Are you insane? Name one game Bioware made that wasn't FANTASTIC, let alone good or great.

Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect, and Mass Effect 2.

[Behindyounow]

I'll give you Neverwinter Nights. The majority would disagree with you on ME1&2.

[TheMadCat]

Behindyounow wrote...

I'll give you Neverwinter Nights. The majority would disagree with you on ME1&2.

I'm sure they would, personally though I didn't think they were very good. They tried to much to be a TPS action game with a story and if I wanted an action game there are others suited more to my tastes.

[SmokePants]

It's kind of like Coke Zero vs Diet Coke. Diet Coke was formulated as close to the flavor of Coke classic as the technology of the time would allow. Eventually, technology improved and they could achieve an even closer calorie-free formulation in Coke Zero. By all rights, Coke Zero should have replaced Diet Coke, but certain people had grown accustomed to Diet Coke, even though it didn't meet the company's goals of tasting like regular Coke as well as Coke Zero. So now we have a situation where the Coca-cola bottling company is forced to make 2 seperate 0-cal soft drinks. Forever.

Bioware has been trying to achieve a more and more cinematic experience with their games. Mass Effect and now Dragon Age are getting closer and closer to what they had envisioned from day 1.As this evolution is taking place, it's natural to expect vestigial traits to be sluffed off. These things being left behind were never the point. They were a means to an end. And if you liked Bioware then, but don't like Bioware now, then you never really liked Bioware. Just like if you prefer Diet Coke to Coke Zero, you don't really like Coke.

[-Semper-]

that's by far the dumbest comparison i've ever read. now that's the fanbase bioware wants. they never complain about a thing and take it as godsend...

And if you liked Bioware then, but don't like Bioware now, then you
never really liked Bioware.

i liked the infinity engine and the absence of cinematic close ups. there were tons of lines to read and you have to use your imagination. it was like reading a book. i am used to books because i grow up with them. i know that these times are gone and you won't get a big fanbase with the old system. nowadays kids grow up with big tv screens and cinemas and beamers and they never learned to use their fantasy, they just want to be entertained.

i wish they just had upgraded the infinity engine with 3d models and landscapes but without the closeups. now throw in a perfect toolset and all is good

Modifié par -Semper-, 10 juillet 2010 - 07:47 .

[TheMadCat]

SmokePants wrote...

Bioware has been trying to achieve a more and more cinematic experience with their games. Mass Effect and now Dragon Age are getting closer and closer to what they had envisioned from day 1.As this evolution is taking place, it's natural to expect vestigial traits to be sluffed off. These things being left behind were never the point. They were a means to an end. And if you liked Bioware then, but don't like Bioware now, then you never really liked Bioware. Just like if you prefer Diet Coke to Coke Zero, you don't really like Coke.

So let me get this straight. The games BioWare has designed up this point haven't been the games they really wanted to design and hence aren't really BioWare games? So if we liked all those games which were all to some degree or another successful, we didn't really like BioWare but we liked the failed BioWare? It took some effort but you have typed up one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum to date.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 10 juillet 2010 - 07:43 .

[Maverick827]

I'm not going to lie, half of the reason I made this thread was to coax people into arguing with pastry-based analogies, which was hilarious to read.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Maverick827 wrote...

 A customer enters a bakery for the first time and buys a chocolate cake.  After taking it home and eating it, the customer is pleasantly surprised by how delicious this bakery's chocolate cake is.  Soon the customer begins to try other flavors of cake, and each one is as good as the last.  Eventually the customer touts this bakery as its favorite in the entire county.

Over the years, however, the bakery slowly shifts its focus from cakes to cookies.  Though the customer doesn't mind cookies, obviously cake is more preferable.  Soon the bakery's most popular item is its renowned chocolate chip cookies.  The customer laments the loss of cake, but buys the chocolate chip cookies none the less.

One day, to the customer's delight, the bakery begins to make cupcakes, citing them as the spiritual successor to cake.  With only one bite of a chocolate cupcake, the customer is immediately satisfied by the familiar taste, so much so  that the customer buys a cupcake every week!

On one of those weeks, the customer notices a sign outside of the bakery: "If you enjoy our chocolate chip cookies," the sign advertises, "perhaps you should try our new chocolate chip cupcakes!"

"Chocolate chips?", the customer fumes, "in cupcakes?!  This is the last straw!"  The customer walks away, without even tasting the new chocolate chip cupcakes, denouncing the bakery, its chef, and its patrons as "having lost it," though no really knowing what that means.

I take it you and Sten have been hanging out together!   

I prefer pie myself.  Chocolate Cream to be exact!

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 10 juillet 2010 - 05:04 .

[LPPrince]

Maverick827 wrote...

I'm not going to lie, half of the reason I made this thread was to coax people into arguing with pastry-based analogies, which was hilarious to read.

So the cake was a lie?

Makerdamnit.

[SmokePants]

TheMadCat wrote...

SmokePants wrote...

Bioware has been trying to achieve a more and more cinematic experience with their games. Mass Effect and now Dragon Age are getting closer and closer to what they had envisioned from day 1.As this evolution is taking place, it's natural to expect vestigial traits to be sluffed off. These things being left behind were never the point. They were a means to an end. And if you liked Bioware then, but don't like Bioware now, then you never really liked Bioware. Just like if you prefer Diet Coke to Coke Zero, you don't really like Coke.

So let me get this straight. The games BioWare has designed up this point haven't been the games they really wanted to design and hence aren't really BioWare games? So if we liked all those games which were all to some degree or another successful, we didn't really like BioWare but we liked the failed BioWare? It took some effort but you have typed up one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum to date.

No, you don't have it straight at all. I imagine trying to read the internet while your head is up your ass is causing you some difficulties. So, when I was saying how Bioware games have retained the traits that truly defined a Bioware game, while changing out many of the incidental traits that are less important to Bioware's vision, you probably thought I was saying, "turd Bioware diarrhea precancerous polyp." Easy mistake.

[Demx]

Phazor58 wrote...

Bad analogy. Cupcakes are always good.

True, I think the OP should replace cupcake with fruitcake. Now you'll get some mixed views about the bakery.

[Seagloom]

This topic has more to do with observations of forumite behavior than DA2. I don't think it's an appropriate topic for this forum. Locked.