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[R.U.N]

There seems to be a huge backlash regarding the new P.C, which actually isn't suprising.
I think people feel like Hawke is replacing the Warden who they have come to identify with.
They're going to take it personal, it's like YOU saved Ferelden had all these adventures and build relationships with YOUR companions and now this new kid on the block isn't only taking your role, but is also supposed to be the most important person in the world of DA?

How would Robert De Niro feel being replaced by a guy called ''Hawke'', because the studio thinks Hawke is ''super hot'' and ''cool''?

Why not use the Warden to build up Hawke?
If your decisions carry over anyway and both are present in the game let the Warden be the distant ''other Hero'' who does what he has do do and make a clear cut that he's there but you're Hawke now and he has his own story.
No competition between these two.
Two equal heroes having their own story, but both present within the same world.

Also, if DA:O Companions are to return in DA2 then don't make them playable.
No one wants to see Hawke being Alistairs new best buddy, Lelianas lover or the guy running after Morrigan.
As a cameo with the Warden (random encounter for example) it might be a nice suprise, but otherwise this would cheapen the companions and the Warden.

That way Hawke isn't going to be a cheap replacement for the Warden, but an equal new character who doesn't diminish the former.

Just some thoughts.

I'm aware that this might have been already considered, but with the recent chaos on the forums who knows what's going on with the game anyway .
Especially considering how serious the PR stuff was taken....

Modifié par R.U.N, 10 juillet 2010 - 12:48 .

[alexmasterson123]

It would be awesome if at the beginning, in Lothering, the game takes the data of what your DA party was like at that point, and they're running around the place as well, following the path they made in the first game. And you could talk to the party members and they'd be all like 'The Grey Warden is a cool guy eh kills Darkspawn and doesn't afraid of anything' and you'd be like NO WAI, in that case no need for me to fight, I'm getting outta dodge!



Thusly setting up the story of Hawke's flight from Lothering.



I think it could work ¬_¬

[R.U.N]

That sounds awesome actually

[OriginsIsBest]

Its would be so much better if I could be my warden.

[Behindyounow]

Theres no point in playing as a Warden, because DA2 doesn't involve a Blight.

[Warheadz]

I dont mind being unable to play my Warden as long as his actions will affect the world of DA 2. Actually, i wish my Warden could be the Duncan of Dragon age 2! It would be awesome how the seasoned and slightly aged Warden would save Hawke's ass at some point (Though he shouldn't die like Duncan!). His appearance should be powerful and mysterious, but brief 

[Herr Uhl]

Behindyounow wrote...

Theres no point in playing as a Warden, because DA2 doesn't involve a Blight.

Since you are a refugee from a blight it involves it a little at least.

[Behindyounow]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Theres no point in playing as a Warden, because DA2 doesn't involve a Blight.

Since you are a refugee from a blight it involves it a little at least.

Well... technically yeah.

I meant that it DA2 isn't about stopping a Blight.

[AndreaDraco]

I don't hate Hawk. But I know I don't want to play as a muscular bear with arms like cannons. I couldn't care less for a character like it. The Origin Cover, with the Warden covered in armor, was just perfect for me. That way *I* could choose who and what to be.



But wait! Even here you can choose what you're going to look like!



Yes? Then, who the heck is that stranger looking at me from the cover?

[Layn]

i don't have a problem with Hawke replacing the warden. i have a problem with having less control in who Hawke is

[Warheadz]

Behindyounow wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Theres no point in playing as a Warden, because DA2 doesn't involve a Blight.

Since you are a refugee from a blight it involves it a little at least.

Well... technically yeah.

I meant that it DA2 isn't about stopping a Blight.

To me, it seems Hawke has nothing to do with the Blight because they told that Hawke is a survivor. In my opinion, this indicates that game will really take place after the Blight. But yes, there will be darkspawn... At least my epilogue in DA:O said that the darkspawn formed roving war bands that proved difficult to defeat, even as the archdemon lied slain.

[Behindyounow]

Crrash wrote...

i don't have a problem with Hawke replacing the warden. i have a problem with having less control in who Hawke is

You can't choose your race. Hardly a massive loss since it made damn near no difference at all until the endgame.

[Master Shiori]

My problem is not that Hawke will replace my Warden, since the first 5 years of DA2 are supposed to take place during Origins and Awakening, so having the Warden be the protagonist would make no sense.



The problem is that Bioware are forcing us to accept the fact that Hawke is "the most important hero in DA" when we know very little about him so far. It makes him look like a Mary Sue in my eyes, since I know nothing about him yet I'm supposed to accept him as being "the best".



I prefer to form my own opinion of how important a certain character or story are after I played it, not because someone in the marketing department is trying to showe them down my throat.

[Behindyounow]

Master Shiori wrote...

My problem is not that Hawke will replace my Warden, since the first 5 years of DA2 are supposed to take place during Origins and Awakening, so having the Warden be the protagonist would make no sense.

Since when?

[Arttis]

Your gonna spend a lifetime with him as you change the fictional world where in turn inspires you to change your life for the better.

Sounds good dont it for one game.

[Master Shiori]

Behindyounow wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

My problem is not that Hawke will replace my Warden, since the first 5 years of DA2 are supposed to take place during Origins and Awakening, so having the Warden be the protagonist would make no sense.

Since when?

Since it's revealed that he was old enough to fight during the destruction of Lothering, yet choose to leave Ferelden for the Free Marches.

[SithLordExarKun]

Heh if this game starts in lothering ,the closest thing to seeing a DAO companion in DA2 may be sten locked up in the cage.

[Warheadz]

Where did you hear that the first 5 years take place during origins and awakening?

[Behindyounow]

Master Shiori wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Master Shiori wrote...

My problem is not that Hawke will replace my Warden, since the first 5 years of DA2 are supposed to take place during Origins and Awakening, so having the Warden be the protagonist would make no sense.

Since when?

Since it's revealed that he was old enough to fight during the destruction of Lothering, yet choose to leave Ferelden for the Free Marches.

Doesn't mean you control him then. And DA:O's story didn't take place over five years.

[Layn]

Behindyounow wrote...

Crrash wrote...

i don't have a problem with Hawke replacing the warden. i have a problem with having less control in who Hawke is

You can't choose your race. Hardly a massive loss since it made damn near no difference at all until the endgame.

thats not my problem either. i would probably play a human first anyway.
i'm talking about Hawke's character. who (s)he is exactly.

[FlyinElk212]

Behindyounow wrote...

Crrash wrote...

i don't have a problem with Hawke replacing the warden. i have a problem with having less control in who Hawke is

You can't choose your race. Hardly a massive loss since it made damn near no difference at all until the endgame.

No no, you're missing the point. It extends far more than that. They've VOICED Hawke, the story is ABOUT Hawke, it's HAWKE'S story, not ours anymore! Bioware has given us THEIR character to play as. That's the true travesty. It's no longer "our stories".

[Vulee94]

Wait, who says I hate Mike Hawke, I love the guy.

[Arius23]

I just hate the name Hawke. It's too much of an action-hero cliche name and not enough of a fantasy-RPG name.

[Behindyounow]

Crrash wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Crrash wrote...

i don't have a problem with Hawke replacing the warden. i have a problem with having less control in who Hawke is

You can't choose your race. Hardly a massive loss since it made damn near no difference at all until the endgame.

thats not my problem either. i would probably play a human first anyway.
i'm talking about Hawke's character. who (s)he is exactly.

Downright nothing has been revealed about  Hawke, other than they are from Lothering and fled to the Freemarches.
The only things revealed that you can't choose is race (already discussed), and Surname, which you couldn't change in the first game either.

[Master Shiori]

Warheadz wrote...

Where did you hear that the first 5 years take place during origins and awakening?

Common sense.

It was said in Gameinformer that Hawke choose to leave Ferelden after Lothering was destroyed instead of staying to fight the blight.

That implies he was old enough to bear arms during the events of Origins. Which means he could start his adventure as a young adult once he arrives in the Free Marches.
The fact he's described as a "peniless refugee" would indicate he isn't a champion of Kirkwall at the beginning of DA2, but rather he becomes that during the course of the game, since the game is supposed to tell the story of his rise to power anyway.

We know Origins lasted for about a year or two. We know six months after that Awakening started. Let's say (for the sake of argument that Amaranthine was a much smaller place) that it lasted for a several month. Then you have 5 years of your Warden being the Commander of Vigil's Keep and overseeing it's reconstruction or the reconstruction of Amaranthine (based on who you choose to save).

If Hawke's adventures started during Origins, which seem to be the case from what we know so far, then the first half of DA2 takes place during Warden's adventures in Origins and Awakening.
This explains why we're playing with a new pc and why we most likely won't see our old companions.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 10 juillet 2010 - 01:27 .