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[Behindyounow]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Crrash wrote...

i don't have a problem with Hawke replacing the warden. i have a problem with having less control in who Hawke is

You can't choose your race. Hardly a massive loss since it made damn near no difference at all until the endgame.

No no, you're missing the point. It extends far more than that. They've VOICED Hawke, the story is ABOUT Hawke, it's HAWKE'S story, not ours anymore! Bioware has given us THEIR character to play as. That's the true travesty. It's no longer "our stories".

DA:O's was the Warden's story. The Story was about the Warden. Bioware gave you their characters in DA:O, you just got to choose their race and social standing.

It was never 'your' story. If DA:O was my story, I would've tried to kill Duncan when he forced me into the Wardens.

[Layn]

Behindyounow wrote...

Crrash wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Crrash wrote...

i don't have a problem with Hawke replacing the warden. i have a problem with having less control in who Hawke is

You can't choose your race. Hardly a massive loss since it made damn near no difference at all until the endgame.

thats not my problem either. i would probably play a human first anyway.
i'm talking about Hawke's character. who (s)he is exactly.

Downright nothing has been revealed about  Hawke, other than they are from Lothering and fled to the Freemarches.
The only things revealed that you can't choose is race (already discussed), and Surname, which you couldn't change in the first game either.

how hard is it to understand?
Hawke is voiced. Hawke will have less dialogue options. the dialogue options will be paraphrased.
This means i can't roleplay the player character exactly as i want to. I can sort of choose the mood, and see how Bioware's character Hawke reacts wit that.

theres more to everything than just how a character looks and through what events he or she is funneled

Modifié par Crrash, 10 juillet 2010 - 01:26 .

[FlyinElk212]

Behindyounow wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Crrash wrote...

i don't have a problem with Hawke replacing the warden. i have a problem with having less control in who Hawke is

You can't choose your race. Hardly a massive loss since it made damn near no difference at all until the endgame.

No no, you're missing the point. It extends far more than that. They've VOICED Hawke, the story is ABOUT Hawke, it's HAWKE'S story, not ours anymore! Bioware has given us THEIR character to play as. That's the true travesty. It's no longer "our stories".

DA:O's was the Warden's story. The Story was about the Warden. Bioware gave you their characters in DA:O, you just got to choose their race and social standing.

It was never 'your' story. If DA:O was my story, I would've tried to kill Duncan when he forced me into the Wardens.

Okay, you're right, but there's only so much that game developers can cram into one game. While we WERE forced into the Warden storyline, the character forced into those actions was still "us". Not Hawke. While we were still forced into defeating the Blight (if you ask me, from a logical standpoint it just makes sense), the actions taken to defeat said Blight felt like our actions-- like WE were making those decisions, since there was no set main character. The main character was us.

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 10 juillet 2010 - 01:36 .

[OriginsIsBest]

This is what my warden thinks of Dragon age 2.

http://img25.imagesh...us/i/da2pl.jpg/

[Behindyounow]

Crrash wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Crrash wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Crrash wrote...

i don't have a problem with Hawke replacing the warden. i have a problem with having less control in who Hawke is

You can't choose your race. Hardly a massive loss since it made damn near no difference at all until the endgame.

thats not my problem either. i would probably play a human first anyway.
i'm talking about Hawke's character. who (s)he is exactly.

Downright nothing has been revealed about  Hawke, other than they are from Lothering and fled to the Freemarches.
The only things revealed that you can't choose is race (already discussed), and Surname, which you couldn't change in the first game either.

how hard is it to understand?
Hawke is voiced. Hawke will have less dialogue options. the dialogue options will be paraphrased.
This means i can't roleplay the player character exactly as i want to. I can sort of choose the mood, and see how Bioware's character Hawke reacts wit that.

You're acting as if there is a ton of difference between going "I'll murder you and eat your family!" and "hateful response". You often only got three dialogue paths, Good, evil and neutral. You couldn't choose how you went about it, you always had to stick to a dialogue choice written by Bioware.

[Layn]

Behindyounow wrote...

You're acting as if there is a ton of difference between going "I'll murder you and eat your family!" and "hateful response". You often only got three dialogue paths, Good, evil and neutral. You couldn't choose how you went about it, you always had to stick to a dialogue choice written by Bioware.

with the first one you could choose between

"i'll murder you"
"i'll murder you and eat your family!"
"[punch the guy]"
"i hate you"
"i won't give you a birthday present this year"
"i'll eat your family in front of you, rip your heart out and eat it in front of you while keeping you alive through magic anf then kill you. then revive everyone and do it all over again"

the player character says what i want with whatever voice i want.
wihen you can only choose
"hateful respnse"
i have no idea what of the above the character will say. only that i will be sorta negative and that it will be voiced however the voice actor decided to voice it.

there is a difference

Modifié par Crrash, 10 juillet 2010 - 01:50 .

[MoSa09]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

No no, you're missing the point. It extends far more than that. They've VOICED Hawke, the story is ABOUT Hawke, it's HAWKE'S story, not ours anymore! Bioware has given us THEIR character to play as. That's the true travesty. It's no longer "our stories".

that is just true, sadly. While ME and ME 2 are great games, it's you playing Shepard, the hero. Origins was different as i felt more like a first person experince to me. You were not simply controlling the actions of the given hero, but you could actually become the hero himself as he was pretty much a blank page you could fill with whom you pictured you wanna be.

ME 1 & 2, despite being great games, never achiebed that. Much of all the continuing love about Origins companions can be attributed to experiencing and dealing with them first hand instead of directing the hero to interact with them.

Besides, i hate picking up a phrase and hope Shepard has something to say i intended to him to say. Many times he says something which makes me go "what?, never wanted to say that". Shepard never felt like my story, that's why i played Me 1& 2 one time and DAO like ten times and more, and i am not very happy they turned their back on some of my favorite rpg-elements and create some Mass Age or Dragon Effect hybrid.

Modifié par MoSa09, 10 juillet 2010 - 01:52 .

[LOLZAO]

you know people did not had choices in the fist game too? it was just a illusion just to make people fell like they had(like in mass effect). we had to join the warden, we had to be one o the 6 origins(oh look 6 different Hawkes to chose from, oh god i am so happy) and about the dialogue in origins like Behindyounow said it was just good, evil and neutral is was not like you could say: **** you Duncan i will kill you cause i dont want to join the wardens ,or f*** this i am going to join the warden in orlais and when the Darkspawn come here we will already have a massive army and they will be crushed , of couse some dialogues had several reponses but all of then achieved the same end so i prefer only one. So i don't get why people are complying so much is not changing that much you know.

Modifié par LOLZAO, 10 juillet 2010 - 02:01 .

[LOLZAO]

Julian_Kraynog wrote...

My opinion:
First of all, I don't like the Surname they gave him. Every time I see the damn word, I spell it as Hawkeee and not Hawk. I loved all the Surnames in DA:O, all were unique and got along with the names, I gave my chars. Hawke sounds more like a nick name than a Surname. Heh, in-fact my own Surname sounds better than Hawke.
Secondly, they should have, atleast given us an option to turn off his voicing. I played Mass Effect a bit, and I didn't really like the the conversation cycle. For me, it was like playing a wanna-be-action-adventure game, not an RPG. Dragon Age 2 sounds like it's going to be the same.
In Dragon Age: Origins, even though they gave us a Surname, it was only used to refer to the line from which the PC came from and not to be used by others, and I was called the Warden or Warden-Commander. Being called Shepard all the time, by everyone was annoying for me, which is another reason I didn't play Mass Effect. I am afraid that I'll experience the same, in DA 2.
Third, my Origin. Aside from just being a cowardly orphan, I want to be something else. The Human Commoner and the Barbarian were already removed in the Origins due to some problems, but why do the same mistake here? Let me guess, EA gave you a time line and told you to make it as fast as possible irrespective of the game's quality.

All in all, this is bad news for all Dragon Age: "Origins" fans and good news to Mass Effect fans. Well, atleast I can count on Ubisoft for not ruining the Genre of Assassin's Creed, like Bioware did to DA franchise.
-End of Opinion.

Replace the warden with your surname(cousland,aeducan,amell) and it is the same, like i have said it is a illusion of choice the only thing that changes is  some lines  and the npc who is at the end game, and if you are a human noble you can marry anora but that is it , you can complete the game exact the same way(save minor things) wheter you are a  dwarf, a human,  or a elf.

Modifié par LOLZAO, 10 juillet 2010 - 02:14 .

[hoysexyjew]

Hawkes name should be changed to hoysexyjew, at least Bioware would make one person happy =D

[Carfaxabby]

I dont hate hawk I hate however having to play a character thats already named which is what I also hated about dragon age 1 which was not being able to be someone who wasnt more or less pre defined to me it seems there taking away the very point of Origins... Oh well thankfully hawke isnt Morrigans brat kid she had wih the warden.

[sydranark]

i dont think anyone should hate or love anything or anyone yet since we don't have enough information on the warden's end (if there is one) or hawke's background, and if the two are related.

[LOLZAO]

or they could just call you the champion of kirkwall......ohh well i will be better off playing Super Mario world 1 the best game ever developed.(in my humble opinion)

[Gugue_es]

Crrash wrote...

i don't have a problem with Hawke replacing the warden. i have a problem with having less control in who Hawke is

me too. 

[SkittlesKat96]

Hawke seems like the character I'll like lots.

Also I'm sure since the Warden will probably still be alive (but not anywhere in-game) at the time Hawke is that we'll hear a lot about him.

[JamieCOTC]

Hawke: Hate the name, reminds me of the stupid character from 70's Buck Rogers. Default Hawke looks like a burly, bulked up Maximilian Schell, which is only slightly better than ME's Vanilla Ice default Shep. On the other hand, I do like my femShep, so who knows.

[Fishy]

MoSa09 wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...

No no, you're missing the point. It extends far more than that. They've VOICED Hawke, the story is ABOUT Hawke, it's HAWKE'S story, not ours anymore! Bioware has given us THEIR character to play as. That's the true travesty. It's no longer "our stories".

that is just true, sadly. While ME and ME 2 are great games, it's you playing Shepard, the hero. Origins was different as i felt more like a first person experince to me. You were not simply controlling the actions of the given hero, but you could actually become the hero himself as he was pretty much a blank page you could fill with whom you pictured you wanna be.

ME 1 & 2, despite being great games, never achiebed that. Much of all the continuing love about Origins companions can be attributed to experiencing and dealing with them first hand instead of directing the hero to interact with them.

Besides, i hate picking up a phrase and hope Shepard has something to say i intended to him to say. Many times he says something which makes me go "what?, never wanted to say that". Shepard never felt like my story, that's why i played Me 1& 2 one time and DAO like ten times and more, and i am not very happy they turned their back on some of my favorite rpg-elements and create some Mass Age or Dragon Effect hybrid.

Yes but you're still Cousland or Aeducan.

Modifié par Suprez30, 10 juillet 2010 - 06:04 .

[Samb84]

I believe that the reason everyone has something against this hawke guy is that they are taking a big part from an rpg...

I at least want to be able to create my own character. Elf, human, dwarf what ever but to make it my own...

Be given a character may be fine but since we had the option of creating our own in Origins its a bit upsetting...

Modifié par Samb84, 10 juillet 2010 - 06:43 .

[Relshar]

Because he is a human and you cant customize him. And I emphasizes the word Him. not her or it or main character but Him.

[Behindyounow]

Relshar wrote...

Because he is a human and you cant customize him. And I emphasizes the word Him. not her or it or main character but Him.

Heh heh... you're an idiot.

Yes, you can customise Hawke, and you can be Female if you wish. The only customisation options removed are Races and Origins.

[Demx]

Maybe they don't like being referred to as Hawke? Sort of like if a game all of a sudden decided in part two, everyone will now refer to you as Urkel.

[Behindyounow]

Well I didn't like being called Warden all the time. I hated the Wardens. Didn't ruin DA:O for me.

[Leafs43]

I think people don't like Hawke (or Sheperd) because it doesn't allow them to live life through essentially a cartoon character.