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#26
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Pretty certain they picked a lot of the names from real maps or travel guides or whatever. The Anderfels contain names of a number of existing German towns and cities for example, Rialto, the capital of wherever Zevran's from again, is a city quarter of Venice and so on.

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And mostly all of Thedas is inspired by the real world. Orlais is France, Ferelden is England, the Anderfels is Germany and so on. Hell, the history of the Elves bears striking resemblances to the history the Jewish people to some extent. Driven from their homeland, roaming the earth, ghettoized and generally treated as second class people.

Modifié par Gegenlicht, 10 juillet 2010 - 04:18 .


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Do you honestly expect them to do an exhaustive search for every proper noun they use in the game to make sure it isn't used? As usual, I have to agree with AlanC9. I guess they could have done a google search for "Kirkwall" and found out it was the capital of Orkney, but why bother doing that for *every* proper noun in game? They could have called it "Joneswall" or "Smithwall" but again, why bother? They could even call it "Soteriawall." (I won't complain, Bioware.)

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I don't know I am kinda curious, not so much about Kirkwall but more about the region it is in:Nevarra.

If you read the codex entry about it you would too. I mean a golden college of Magi, statues of Heroes in every town and they where also famous for ther Dragon Hunters, I won't be suprised if most of the Dragon Bone, Dragonthorn and Drakeskin armours and weapons came from there.

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the kirk windstein wall is made of sludge metal

Modifié par kyles3, 10 juillet 2010 - 05:13 .


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It's totally all about you OP. :P

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Would you have preferred Picardwall?

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Kantwall or Kanterwall if you wanted to stick with the topic, I'd presume.



Again, there are no churches in Ferelden, but there ARE chantries. Since I'm not aware of a Germanic equivalent of Chantry, I've just nudged it along the same lines, minus the vowel shift that separates church and kirk.

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Gegenlicht wrote...

Kantwall or Kanterwall if you wanted to stick with the topic, I'd presume.

Again, there are no churches in Ferelden, but there ARE chantries. Since I'm not aware of a Germanic equivalent of Chantry, I've just nudged it along the same lines, minus the vowel shift that separates church and kirk.


I know the Dutch word for church is kerk, if the town is based on the Dutch it could be a spelling mistake or they did it on purpose or it means something totaly diffrent in another language.

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Kirkwall is actually a real town, the capital of Orkney. It's... well, Viking in origin, AFAIK, so I'd presume Danish, though I don't know in how far Danish might have developed in between the founding of Kirkwall and now, or how much the name changed through use. I'm not a specialized etymologist.

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Wugger wrote...
You'd think in a magical fantasy kingdom of magical wonder elves and dragons and stuff they'd be able to make up a new place name rather than rehashing an obscure Scottish town.


Sure. Here are some possibilites.

Kirkwallenstan.
Kirkwallensalem.
Kirkwallshire.
Novus Kirkwallus.
Kirkwall-above-Fereldenland.
Kirkwallopolis.
Wallkirk.

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IMPORTANT: Loghain was referred to as the Hero of the River Dane. One can argue that this implies he is a Danish hero, or omg- what is so great about a freaking river. But he was named thus because the *battle* that he fought which earned him much public respect was fought on the banks of that river.

Hero of Kirkwall may refer to a battle of Kirkwall that you lead and win. It may refer to an obscure place that you build from a tiny village to a military powerhouse. It could mean so many things. Why are we getting hung-up on the name?

Modifié par imported_beer, 10 juillet 2010 - 05:41 .


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Kirkwall? Tis a silly place...

Modifié par NvVanity, 10 juillet 2010 - 05:40 .


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"Kirkwall-above-Fereldenland." I like that one. It's even better than Soteriawall. Bioware, use that one instead.

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monkeycamoran wrote...

Wallkirk.


I cringe. That would have people quoting Braveheart left and right, even if it's not exactly Falkirk.

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Well that happends from time to time in fantasy, germanic and nordic names have always been a favorites to use as names.



The world in "A song of ice and fire" is called Westeros witch sounds when pronouced basicly like the same as the Swedish town Västerås.



And not to forget "Gamling the old" from LOTR "Gamling" is "old person" in swedish, sure that was probably Tolkiens intent from the begining, but it sounds silly... There are several other examples from LOTR.

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Tolkien's been raiding about half a dozen cultures/mythologies for his stuff, mostly Germanic ones. Gandalf and Thorin are directly from the Völuspá for example.

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Especially for dwarves... I've seen a number of Ingvar's, which always cracks me up because I have a friend named Ingvard (the correct spelling, I believe). Apparently it's a bit of an old-person's name, much like Gary is in English.

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MKDAWUSS wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Dick Delaware wrote...

You realize the PC's name is Hawke, right? That's way sillier IMO.


Maybe they should have done it the other way round. Call the region Hawke, and the guy Kirk.



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It won't be the first time Kirkwall has been in a video game, the Bard's Tale games are set in a fictional version of Orkney. Also the Ultima games have a location called Skara Brae which is a historic site in Orkney.

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Giltspur wrote...

While the development is pretty far along, there might still be time to add a burning sofa into Dragon Age II to improve immersion.


Okay, I'll admit, this made me laugh really hard :(

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Captain Kirkwall would've been an awesome character.

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The Hero of Kirkwall just doesn't sound particularly epic to me.

Maybe I'm saying it wrong...

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GodWood wrote...

The Hero of Kirkwall just doesn't sound particularly epic to me.
Maybe I'm saying it wrong...


Its pronounced, "Kerkwallé"

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Golden-Rose wrote...

Better than simply "Kirk" I suppose... or "Kirkfloor".


Well, now my PC is going to be named Kirk Hawke.

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I thought i'd recognised that name somewhere... i think i passed Kirkwall during my perilous journey through Scotland :P