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[ZaroktheImmortal]

Seeing as how there's no origins and no mention of the circle tower would that mean that a mage character would be an Apostate?

[MaaZeus]

I think so, yes. Unless the class choice affects the beginning and there is some kind of bridge between Circle Of Magi and you being refugee on Loithering.

[Vespasian 91]

I'M sure just like DA:O that every mage a I make will end up becoming a blood mage.

[Giltspur]

To what extent do the Chantry, Templars and Circle have a presence in the Free Marches? I don't recall reading much about what's going on in the Free Marches in the codexes. If someone knows more, it'd be cool to hear.

But assuming there isn't something out there I'm unaware of, for all we know, the Free Marches are relatively anarchical and have different religions than other parts of Thedas, meaning mages may not be as on the run.  I'm sure they'd still encounter prejudice, but it may not be the kind of institutionalized prejudice that we're used to from DAO.

Modifié par Giltspur, 10 juillet 2010 - 02:15 .

[rooky91]

The Chantry was in Lothering as where templars, so you could have been they're prisoner

[Welshboy2142]

You could be a chasind mage perhaps, i think i recall reading that they had their own mages. Unless that was morrigan talking about herself

[Kijin]

Giltspur wrote...

To what extent do the Chantry, Templars and Circle have a presence in the Free Marches? I don't recall reading much about what's going on in the Free Marches in the codexes. If someone knows more, it'd be cool to hear.

But assuming there isn't something out there I'm unaware of, for all we know, the Free Marches are relatively anarchical and have different religions than other parts of Thedas, meaning mages may not be as on the run.  I'm sure they'd still encounter prejudice, but it may not be the kind of institutionalized prejudice that we're used to from DAO.

The Circle of Ferelden is limited to Ferelden, and they probably have no power in the Free Marches. The Templars and the Chantry might have some footing in the Free Marches, but the region isn't a kingdom, but a collection of independent city-states, so the policy towards mages will change depending on the city you're in.

In terms of your character being a prisoner of the Templars in Lothering - this is unlikely. There were only a dozen or so Templars, and hundreds (if not thousands) of refugees to look after. Not only that, you may have been too young to even have exhibited magical ability. The Templars had greater concerns than the magical abilities of a young child (namely the approaching Blight).

[iTomes]

you propably could have been one of the mages at ostagar who faked his own death to get away from the circle, that way you'd have a good reason to leave ferelden, could pass lothering (first station after the wilds) and go to the marches. (no circle tower there as far as i know)

[Kijin]

Bioware has scrapped the origins, which means that presumably you get the same origin story, regardless of whic class you chose. If you were young enough, your character might not have been sent to the Chantry at all. It hasn't been determined yet that you were old enough to fight by the time Ostagar took place.

[Gill Kaiser]

Just because Origins are out doesn't mean there will be no differences at all in the beginning based upon your class. Many RPGs with fixed protagonists have slightly different beginnings depending upon your class. For example, NWN had you doing different training exercises if you were a magic user compared to fighters or rogues.

I'm sure if Hawke is a mage the beginning will be slightly different than if Hawke is a warrior. Maybe if he's a mage he's an apostate hiding out in Lothering, someone who has learned to control himself and hide his talent for fear of the Chantry.

[Kijin]

It has already been confirmed that Hawke will start off in Lothering every time. It is not much of a stretch to assume that your class will change little. We do not know how old Hawke was when Lothering was destroyed. This has not been confirmed yet.



You can hope for that feature all you like, but it has not been confirmed yet, I'm afraid. An Apostate is a legal term that applies to any Mage outside of the Circle in Ferelden. Hawke cannot possibly be an Apostate, if he is living in the Free Marches. Hawke could only be an Apostate if the region he was living in allowed the Chantry (as has been said in multiple threads by now, the Free Marches is a collection of independent city-states, so the policy towards the Chantry changes depending on the local ruler's desire).

[YoungNV]

The game takes place in the Free Marches: who knows how mages are viewed in that part of the world? Apostates are only branded as such by the Circle; which exists only in Ferelden—as far as I know. If you ventured back to Ferelden you would be considered an apostate, but in the Marches—who knows?

Edit: Oops! Someone beat me to the punch on that. Sorry for the redundant post.

Modifié par YoungNV, 10 juillet 2010 - 02:37 .

[Gill Kaiser]

Kijin wrote...

It has already been confirmed that Hawke will start off in Lothering every time. It is not much of a stretch to assume that your class will change little. We do not know how old Hawke was when Lothering was destroyed. This has not been confirmed yet.

You can hope for that feature all you like, but it has not been confirmed yet, I'm afraid. An Apostate is a legal term that applies to any Mage outside of the Circle in Ferelden. Hawke cannot possibly be an Apostate, if he is living in the Free Marches. Hawke could only be an Apostate if the region he was living in allowed the Chantry (as has been said in multiple threads by now, the Free Marches is a collection of independent city-states, so the policy towards the Chantry changes depending on the local ruler's desire).

Even so, the game starts in Ferelden, so he'd start as an Apostate. There's no need to argue semantics, we all know what is meant. How he's treated in the Free Marches is irrelevant.

Anyway, I'm not really hoping for any 'feature', per se. Nothing in-depth, anyway. Maybe a small mention of the fact that he's a mage and that he has to be careful of the Chantry. I really can't see that not being added in there.

Modifié par Gill Kaiser, 10 juillet 2010 - 02:38 .

[Kijin]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Kijin wrote...

It has already been confirmed that Hawke will start off in Lothering every time. It is not much of a stretch to assume that your class will change little. We do not know how old Hawke was when Lothering was destroyed. This has not been confirmed yet.

You can hope for that feature all you like, but it has not been confirmed yet, I'm afraid. An Apostate is a legal term that applies to any Mage outside of the Circle in Ferelden. Hawke cannot possibly be an Apostate, if he is living in the Free Marches. Hawke could only be an Apostate if the region he was living in allowed the Chantry (as has been said in multiple threads by now, the Free Marches is a collection of independent city-states, so the policy towards the Chantry changes depending on the local ruler's desire).

Even so, the game starts in Ferelden, so he'd start as an Apostate. There's no need to argue semantics, we all know what is meant. How he's treated in the Free Marches is irrelevant.

Anyway, I'm not really hoping for any 'feature', per se. Nothing in-depth, anyway. Maybe a small mention of the fact that he's a mage and that he has to be careful of the Chantry. I really can't see that not being added in there.

Most of the game will take place in the Free Marches. What matters is the treatment of mages in the Free Marches. For Dragon Age 2, how mages are treated in Ferelden is irrelevant. He can't possibly be an Apostate, if he does not live IN Ferelden. Apostate is a legal term that only applies in regions that the Chantry has power. If Kirkwall does not allow the Chantry, then Hawke is not an Apostate. This has nothing to do with semantics.

I doubt they'll change the beginning to reflect your class, but they probably will change a line of dialogue or two, depending on the class you choose. That seems reasonable enough.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Either way, I'd like to see some sort of mention and recation from others characters of my character being a mage.

[heretica]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Kijin wrote...

It has already been confirmed that Hawke will start off in Lothering every time. It is not much of a stretch to assume that your class will change little. We do not know how old Hawke was when Lothering was destroyed. This has not been confirmed yet.

You can hope for that feature all you like, but it has not been confirmed yet, I'm afraid. An Apostate is a legal term that applies to any Mage outside of the Circle in Ferelden. Hawke cannot possibly be an Apostate, if he is living in the Free Marches. Hawke could only be an Apostate if the region he was living in allowed the Chantry (as has been said in multiple threads by now, the Free Marches is a collection of independent city-states, so the policy towards the Chantry changes depending on the local ruler's desire).

Even so, the game starts in Ferelden, so he'd start as an Apostate. There's no need to argue semantics, we all know what is meant. How he's treated in the Free Marches is irrelevant.

Anyway, I'm not really hoping for any 'feature', per se. Nothing in-depth, anyway. Maybe a small mention of the fact that he's a mage and that he has to be careful of the Chantry. I really can't see that not being added in there.

What? They said he is from Lothering but not that the game will start in Lothering. And we don't know at what age he escaped Ferelden.
To me, "Free Marches" sounds like they are more open minded regarding magic.

Modifié par Catt128, 10 juillet 2010 - 04:23 .

[elfdwarf]

story start ferelden- Apostate

game start free marches-unknown knowledge mage

[Risax]

Erm... doesn't Neverra (where Kirkwall is located) have the glittering golden College of Magi?

It was mentioned in some codex entry. It does not mention however if the College of Magi is part of the Circle, or if every Mage can study there

[Gill Kaiser]

Kijin wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

Kijin wrote...

It has already been confirmed that Hawke will start off in Lothering every time. It is not much of a stretch to assume that your class will change little. We do not know how old Hawke was when Lothering was destroyed. This has not been confirmed yet.

You can hope for that feature all you like, but it has not been confirmed yet, I'm afraid. An Apostate is a legal term that applies to any Mage outside of the Circle in Ferelden. Hawke cannot possibly be an Apostate, if he is living in the Free Marches. Hawke could only be an Apostate if the region he was living in allowed the Chantry (as has been said in multiple threads by now, the Free Marches is a collection of independent city-states, so the policy towards the Chantry changes depending on the local ruler's desire).

Even so, the game starts in Ferelden, so he'd start as an Apostate. There's no need to argue semantics, we all know what is meant. How he's treated in the Free Marches is irrelevant.

Anyway, I'm not really hoping for any 'feature', per se. Nothing in-depth, anyway. Maybe a small mention of the fact that he's a mage and that he has to be careful of the Chantry. I really can't see that not being added in there.

Most of the game will take place in the Free Marches. What matters is the treatment of mages in the Free Marches. For Dragon Age 2, how mages are treated in Ferelden is irrelevant. He can't possibly be an Apostate, if he does not live IN Ferelden. Apostate is a legal term that only applies in regions that the Chantry has power. If Kirkwall does not allow the Chantry, then Hawke is not an Apostate. This has nothing to do with semantics.

I doubt they'll change the beginning to reflect your class, but they probably will change a line of dialogue or two, depending on the class you choose. That seems reasonable enough.

Look, when I hear Apostate, I take it to be a neutral term meaning "non-Circle mage", not a perjorative term like Maleficar. I don't disagree with what you're saying, but it's completely tangental to the point I was trying to make, which is that Hawke will probably be a non-Circle mage/Apostate at the beginning. Yes, once he's in the Free Marches, it's all moot anyway.

[elfdwarf]

free marches probably multiculture country

get to nearest city to ferelden and Antiva going call Apostate

get nearest city to Tevinter Imperium everyone going call you lord

[In Exile]

I'm willing to bet that Hawke is going to be a technical apostate that is effectively never mentioned in game as a mage, kind of how Biotics are either hugely prized or discriminated in Mass Effect, but at no point does anyone notice/care/ask/mention that Shepard is a Biotic. I'm willing to bet it will be complete gameplay/story segregation.

[Noviere]

I think it would be pretty cool if we could be an Apostate.

Has it been confirmed that there are no Origins though? Or is that just an assumption based on what little we know about the game so far?

Modifié par Noviere, 10 juillet 2010 - 05:12 .

[Dileos]

They've confirmed that Hawke was born in Lothering and that he flees Lothering during the blight. So no, you don't have human mage/human noble anymore.

[elfdwarf]

laughing

going cause more question

how did he learn hide his magic?

how did he cross waking sea?

why did he leave ferelden?

Modifié par elfdwarf, 10 juillet 2010 - 07:03 .

[jaikss]

*origins spoiler*




If you decide to go through with the right of annulment in the broken circle quest,gregoir will mention that they will rebuild the circle by sending a word to the orlesian and antivan circles,so we know there are circles in there atleast.We also know from the map floating around the forum that even though orlais is a neighboring country, antiva is actually further away than free marches,which suggests that there is no circle in the marches or they would surely send word to their circle aswell if theyre sending one all the way to antiva.