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[DragonAgeFanUK]

Like many, for the last few days, since DA2 was announced, I've been browsing this forum more than what's probably healthy, and I've been living off bowls of Coco Pops and Pepsi.

Also, like many, I've had my concerns about DA2 from the little information that we've been given, especially that it's going to be much more like Mass Effect 2 than DA: Origins. However, I've slowly realized that I'm just scared of change and in criticising Bioware, a company that has given me so many fantastic gaming hours, when they haven't even been given the opportunity to show us what Dragon Age 2 is all about I've done them a huge dis-service, and for that I can only apologise.

So I beg all those out there with concerns like myself to just take a deep breath for now and wait until some definitive information is made available to us in the coming weeks and months. It's impossible for Bioware to please absolutely everybody, I genuinely believe these people do care about it's customers and they'll give 110% to give us even more fantastic gaming hours in the years to come and for that they should keep our utmost respect.

Modifié par DragonAgeFanUK, 10 juillet 2010 - 03:21 .

[Bobad]

Just as I have been thinking 100% but too lazy to type, well done!

[Gegenlicht]

I think that statistically, more of us have been living off Coke than Pepsi. In my personal case, it's only supplemented by cigarettes as I have transcended the need for fibre in my diet.



I CAN see valid flaws in the nomenclature and the presentation of the game as it's been given so far, as I've already said elsewhere. The game IMO mostly suffers from being called 'Dragon Age 2'. The '2' indicates a direct continuation, but it aims at being a different game at the same time. We're really dealing with a spinoff if you will, with a story that is set in the same setting and correlates to the original game but is not directly linked to it. Had it been called 'Tales from the Dragon Age: Hawke's Flight' or something similar to distance it enough from Origins but still capitalize on its success, we might not be getting as much doom and gloom. Maybe Bioware simply jumped the gun with a working title and ambiguous statements.

[Lord_Saulot]

No, "2" does not indicate a direct continuation.

That's just something people wanted, but frankly, it never looked much like we would get. DA:O was not a game that was made to lend itself well to direct continuations. Your main character could end the game as Queen - or Dead.  Its one thing to add an expansion with the option to continue, but a whole new game based on a character that could be any of Six Different Origins, and any number of other choices along the way, would be fairly difficult to imagine.  (as opposed to Baldur's Gate where your character creation choices didn't change the basic fact of your character, which was a central plot point of the saga)

Modifié par Lord_Saulot, 10 juillet 2010 - 03:41 .

[Maginipowfire]

Well, people are obviously concerned by the information they got not the information that they didn't get. While I agree that everybody should calm a little down, I also agree that great part of these changes are not for the best, and if people don't voice their opinions, how is it possible for Bioware to know that the way they are taking this is the one everyone will like?

What upset me the most was the fact that this is Hawke's story, and that they are taking this on a 3rd person perspective instead of 1st person, this got me thinking exactly what Gegenlicht posted.

I'm sure for one thing I will enjoy DA2, but for the same reasons I liked ME2. I just wish this can be as long as DAO, I'm sure it won't have the same replayability.


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Lord_Saulot wrote...

No, "2" does not indicate a direct continuation.

That's just something people wanted, but frankly, it never looked much like we would get. DA:O was not a game that was made to lend itself well to direct continuations. Your main character could end the game as Queen - or Dead.  Its one thing to add an expansion with the option to continue, but a whole new game based on a character that could be any of Six Different Origins, and any number of other choices along the way, would be fairly difficult to imagine.  (as opposed to Baldur's Gate where your character creation choices didn't change the basic fact of your character, which was a central plot point of the saga)

2 does not indicate a direct continuation to your character, but certainly to the story and world. I can't say that everyone agrees with me, but I think it would be better to make it with a new character with six different origins, than just one character, one story.

Modifié par Maginipowfire, 10 juillet 2010 - 03:59 .

[Brockololly]

Gegenlicht wrote...

I CAN see valid flaws in the nomenclature and the presentation of the game as it's been given so far, as I've already said elsewhere. The game IMO mostly suffers from being called 'Dragon Age 2'. The '2' indicates a direct continuation, but it aims at being a different game at the same time. We're really dealing with a spinoff if you will, with a story that is set in the same setting and correlates to the original game but is not directly linked to it. Had it been called 'Tales from the Dragon Age: Hawke's Flight' or something similar to distance it enough from Origins but still capitalize on its success, we might not be getting as much doom and gloom. Maybe Bioware simply jumped the gun with a working title and ambiguous statements.

I completely agree. The marketing behind BioWare's recent titles like ME2 or DAO and now DA2 hasn't done a good job of accurately representing what the games are actually like- instead the marketing seems to just hype and exaggerate using tired buzz words. But thats marketing, I suppose.

And I agree about this being called a "sequel" with the number 2. Throwing the 2 on there implies a certain amount of continuity of some sort whether thats story or even gameplay. Yet everything marketing has thrown out so far has stressed how this is a new game, with a new story, new hero, new combat, new dialogue system and new everything else. The only thing as of now that seems related to Origins is that its still in Thedas and the Dragon Age.

From my POV, they would have been much better to stick with the subtitle convention they had going with Origins and Awakening. This "DA2" seems more like a spinoff or a reboot of the franchise, not a traditional sequel which continues the story of the characters from Origins or builds off of the gameplay from Origins.

[Gegenlicht]

Well, I'm still holding out that it's just a working title/shorthand.

[Gill Kaiser]

Lord_Saulot wrote...

No, "2" does not indicate a direct continuation.

That's just something people wanted, but frankly, it never looked much like we would get. DA:O was not a game that was made to lend itself well to direct continuations. Your main character could end the game as Queen - or Dead.  Its one thing to add an expansion with the option to continue, but a whole new game based on a character that could be any of Six Different Origins, and any number of other choices along the way, would be fairly difficult to imagine.  (as opposed to Baldur's Gate where your character creation choices didn't change the basic fact of your character, which was a central plot point of the saga)

Exactly. I never expected Dragon Age 2 to have anything to do with the Wardens or the Blight. I certainly didn't think the protagonist from DA:O would carry over. That story was done at the end of DA:O (I pity those who ruined their endings by importing their character into Awakenings).

[Gegenlicht]

'We' are aware of it not being a direct continuation. Origins was clearly a finished story, and Awakenings felt like the epilogue to the Lord of the Rings, aka the violation of Saruman, the only halfways bearable character in that story. But I digress... Personally I'd previously assumed that there would be an ongoing series of Dragon Age games following Origins in which you'd actually get to play as the Godchild, but obviously that's not the case.



But a second part is a direct continuation of a first part in, oh, 80% of cases I'd gauge. Even the Final Destination films tend to carry over a character from a previous movie, and the point of these films is that everybody in them dies. So you can't blame people for assuming that a thusly-named follow-up would be a continuation. It's a kneejerk reaction, but a defensible one. Now we know that 'DA2' is a derivative, not a continuation.of DA:O and a lot of people are fine with that. I simply maintain that not giving it the '2' would have cushioned the negative impact.

[BallaZs]

DragonAgeFanUK wrote...


Like many, for the last few days, since DA2 was announced, I've been browsing this forum more than what's probably healthy, and I've been living off bowls of Coco Pops and Pepsi.

Also, like many, I've had my concerns about DA2 from the little information that we've been given, especially that it's going to be much more like Mass Effect 2 than DA: Origins. However, I've slowly realized that I'm just scared of change and in criticising Bioware, a company that has given me so many fantastic gaming hours, when they haven't even been given the opportunity to show us what Dragon Age 2 is all about I've done them a huge dis-service, and for that I can only apologise.

So I beg all those out there with concerns like myself to just take a deep breath for now and wait until some definitive information is made available to us in the coming weeks and months. It's impossible for Bioware to please absolutely everybody, I genuinely believe these people do care about it's customers and they'll give 110% to give us even more fantastic gaming hours in the years to come and for that they should keep our utmost respect.

Damn right dude!
Totally agree. I was getting worried that I was the only 1 on that viewpoint.
But i have a feeling that many ppl comes to this Forum just to complain about something. Anyway, have faith in Bioware and let them do what they are best at!

[Azdeus]

DragonAgeFanUK wrote...


Like many, for the last few days, since DA2 was announced, I've been browsing this forum more than what's probably healthy, and I've been living off bowls of Coco Pops and Pepsi.

Also, like many, I've had my concerns about DA2 from the little information that we've been given, especially that it's going to be much more like Mass Effect 2 than DA: Origins. However, I've slowly realized that I'm just scared of change and in criticising Bioware, a company that has given me so many fantastic gaming hours, when they haven't even been given the opportunity to show us what Dragon Age 2 is all about I've done them a huge dis-service, and for that I can only apologise.

So I beg all those out there with concerns like myself to just take a deep breath for now and wait until some definitive information is made available to us in the coming weeks and months. It's impossible for Bioware to please absolutely everybody, I genuinely believe these people do care about it's customers and they'll give 110% to give us even more fantastic gaming hours in the years to come and for that they should keep our utmost respect.

There is nothing wrong at all complaining and critiqueing the information that has been released so far, it's feedback - regardless of wether or not the developers read these forums or not, or if they give a rats ass.
Aslong as people give levelheaded critique I say let it go, rather than keeping it in until it's definetly too late for your critizism to be of any meaning.