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[Zanderat]

...expecting the Dev's to deny.  But it seems obvious to me that Bioware's new Lords are largely behind some of these troubling design decisons.  The rushed design and production of DAA points to this also.  The dialog wheel, anyone? 

Thoughts?

[Ecael]

Zanderat wrote...

...expecting the Dev's to deny.  But it seems obvious to me that Bioware's new Lords are largely behind some of these troubling design decisons.  The rushed design and production of DAA points to this also.  The dialog wheel, anyone? 

Thoughts?

Why do people think that Microsoft is any better as a publisher or corporation?

[Zanderat]

Ecael wrote...

Zanderat wrote...

...expecting the Dev's to deny.  But it seems obvious to me that Bioware's new Lords are largely behind some of these troubling design decisons.  The rushed design and production of DAA points to this also.  The dialog wheel, anyone? 

Thoughts?

Why do people think that Microsoft is any better as a publisher or corporation?

I don't think that......

[Behindyounow]

Rushing? What?



Dragon age was finished well before November 2009, and the only reason DA:O took so long was because they were making the engine from the ground up.



For DA2 they're just using the old engine.

[Zanderat]

Behindyounow wrote...

Rushing? What?

Dragon age was finished well before November 2009, and the only reason DA:O took so long was because they were making the engine from the ground up.

For DA2 they're just using the old engine.

Which they should be tweaking and improving.  See MW to Oblvion to FO3, for reference

[Relshar]

I have seen EA destroy other great game companies. Origin, Bullfrog Eidos. They will suck BioWare dry and then close them down like all the others they have bought.

Microsoft, Sony Entertainment all do the same as well.

If I was at BioWare I would of gone to a company like CCP or Bethsidia. Not EA.

[Brockololly]

I don't know about EA so much as ME influencing DA....

I mean you look at ME's influence on The Old Republic, where the devs haven't been shy about chatting it up:

Speaking to CVG at E3, Erickson explained how the developer met with LucasArts to discuss 'rewriting everything' with a Mass Effect-style system, after seeing the sci-fi RPG in action.

"Originally the game was built far more like Dragon Age as far as Conversation System went," he said. "Our player characters were not going to be voiced because it's a massively insane expenditure and hugely complicated to do. You have to cast 16 of the best actors ever and then hold them for eternity."

This quickly changed after seeing the 360-exclusive sci-fi RPG, Erickon explains: "Mass Effect came out when we were very early into development. I remember walking up to James Ohlen - the lead designer on both Baldur's Gate Games, Knights Of the Old Republic and both Dragon Age games.

"We both saw Mass Effect and were like: 'Okay. There is no choice here.' So we rounded up both sides - us and LucasArts - and despite it being a huge undertaking, we showed them one with VO and one without and we attached a price tag to it.

The lead designer certainly isn't shy in accrediting the change in direction to the other BioWare game: "Mass  Effect changed the world because you became the hero," he said. "You  actually became the most interesting thing on screen -you got all the best lines, and to be super cool.

"We had to go back and rewrite everything. The story telling system is totally inked from Mass Effect. "

This mentality at BioWare that Mass Effect is the end all be all of RPG dialogue really is disappointing to hear.

Modifié par Brockololly, 10 juillet 2010 - 06:52 .

[Behindyounow]

Zanderat wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Rushing? What?

Dragon age was finished well before November 2009, and the only reason DA:O took so long was because they were making the engine from the ground up.

For DA2 they're just using the old engine.

Which they should be tweaking and improving.  See MW to Oblvion to FO3, for reference

Which they are. Haven't you heard about the improved graphics and new artstyle?

[Zanderat]

Yes. I was just creating a post about great a company Origin was.... and look what happened to them.... Bioware seems to be advancing down that very same path......

[Zanderat]

Behindyounow wrote...

Zanderat wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Rushing? What?

Dragon age was finished well before November 2009, and the only reason DA:O took so long was because they were making the engine from the ground up.

For DA2 they're just using the old engine.

Which they should be tweaking and improving.  See MW to Oblvion to FO3, for reference

Which they are. Haven't you heard about the improved graphics and new artstyle?

Yup.  Just what I wanted. Anime. :innocent:

[errant_knight]

Zanderat wrote...

...expecting the Dev's to deny.  But it seems obvious to me that Bioware's new Lords are largely behind some of these troubling design decisons.  The rushed design and production of DAA points to this also.  The dialog wheel, anyone? 

Thoughts?

Such a major change in direstion does seem peculiar, to say the least. Something big changed between the time Origins was designed and now. I don't know what it was, but it's a very different approach.

[Behindyounow]

Zanderat wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Zanderat wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Rushing? What?

Dragon age was finished well before November 2009, and the only reason DA:O took so long was because they were making the engine from the ground up.

For DA2 they're just using the old engine.

Which they should be tweaking and improving.  See MW to Oblvion to FO3, for reference

Which they are. Haven't you heard about the improved graphics and new artstyle?

Yup.  Just what I wanted. Anime. :innocent:

How the hell do you get Anime out of "New art style"?

There are already screen shots out, and they don't look drastically different to DA, but they are of very resolution.

[Zanderat]

Corporate greed has a lot to do with it. DAO sold over 3.2 million copies. That obviously wasn't enough. So now they are pandering to the lowest common denominator

[Zanderat]

Behindyounow wrote...

Zanderat wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Zanderat wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Rushing? What?

Dragon age was finished well before November 2009, and the only reason DA:O took so long was because they were making the engine from the ground up.

For DA2 they're just using the old engine.

Which they should be tweaking and improving.  See MW to Oblvion to FO3, for reference

Which they are. Haven't you heard about the improved graphics and new artstyle?

Yup.  Just what I wanted. Anime. :innocent:

How the hell do you get Anime out of "New art style"?

There are already screen shots out, and they don't look drastically different to DA, but they are of very resolution.

I was refering to the concept art.  If the actual screenshots are like DAO, then I am relieved.

[Demx]

When in doubt, blame the publisher!

[Behindyounow]

Zanderat wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Zanderat wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Zanderat wrote...

Behindyounow wrote...

Rushing? What?

Dragon age was finished well before November 2009, and the only reason DA:O took so long was because they were making the engine from the ground up.

For DA2 they're just using the old engine.

Which they should be tweaking and improving.  See MW to Oblvion to FO3, for reference

Which they are. Haven't you heard about the improved graphics and new artstyle?

Yup.  Just what I wanted. Anime. :innocent:

How the hell do you get Anime out of "New art style"?

There are already screen shots out, and they don't look drastically different to DA, but they are of very resolution.

I was refering to the concept art.  If the actual screenshots are like DAO, then I am relieved.

Oh come one... thats not Anime. Anime is huge eyes, androgynous characters, massive swords and stupid hair.

[Brockololly]

Zanderat wrote...
]I was refering to the concept art.  If the actual screenshots are like DAO, then I am relieved.

For reference, these are the 2 tiny screens from Play.com:

[Gambient]

Yeah EA is greedy and I really hope that they won't rush BioWare to put out games too quickly or limit their creativity in any way. That would suck.

[Ecael]

Relshar wrote...

I have seen EA destroy other great game companies. Origin, Bullfrog Eidos. They will suck BioWare dry and then close them down like all the others they have bought.
Microsoft, Sony Entertainment all do the same as well.
If I was at BioWare I would of gone to a company like CCP or Bethsidia. Not EA.

Bethesda isn't its own publisher - it's owned by ZeniMax Media, who people blame for driving Fallout 3 in a different direction compared to Fallout 1 and 2. Also, Bethesda as a developer is working on third-person shooter games now while outsourcing Fallout to Obsidian.

ZeniMax is also blamed for driving id Software to the ground.

CCP's only known for Eve Online, which is basically an MMORPG based around planet-scanning (I'm sure people who've played Mass Effect 2 just love that word).

Sorry, but there aren't many good alternatives to Electronic Arts these days.

[Zanderat]

Siradix wrote...

When in doubt, blame the publisher!

Usually that tends to be exactly what happened.  $$ and all that.

[Zanderat]

Behindyounow wrote...

Oh come one... thats not Anime. Anime is huge eyes, androgynous characters, massive swords and stupid hair.

Don't forget tentacles....... 

[errant_knight]

Siradix wrote...

When in doubt, blame the publisher!

*shrugs* Something changed, and it wasn't the people running Bioware, or the writers. Unless someone was forced out that I haven't heard about. DA:O and Mass Effect 2 were in production at the same time, so it wasn't like they hadn't conceived of the style. They chose to make the two games quite different, but now they're ditching the DA:O model for the Mass Effect one. If DA:O had sold poorly, or been trashed in reviews, that might have made sense on it's own, but since it wasn't, there must be some other explanation. It may not be EA, but it was something. And I really think that wheel has EA written all over it in terms of GUI.

[Ulicus]

Man, the only thing that's wrong with the Mass Effect dialogue system is that there are too many occasions when the dialogue option isn't adequately described. I often find myself wishing that there was a way of actually *seeing* what my character was going to say, at least in part.



For the most part, though, it's gravy.