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[Dave of Canada]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Mage tower destroyed, Alistair a drunkard, Loghain moved to Oralis, Ashes defiled, Anvil preserved, Bhelen king, Dalish slaughtered, my power-mad mage is ready.

Problem is, Bhelen is a wonderful king.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think for my first game, I'll go with what I ended up with on my first run: my rogue PC is queen, doubtless ruling Ferelden with an iron fist in a velvet glove. Alistair rules beside her. He is good at making stirring speeches and hitting people, she does the paperwork.



Elsewhere, Harrowmont is king of the dwarves, the Anvil was destroyed, the Ashes were preserved, the werewolves have been freed from their curse, the Tower of Magi was saved from abominations, and Connor and Isolde survived the Desire Demon incident. Somewhere else, Morrigan has Alistair's Old God baby ...

[Lord Gremlin]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Mage tower destroyed, Alistair a drunkard, Loghain moved to Oralis, Ashes defiled, Anvil preserved, Bhelen king, Dalish slaughtered, my power-mad mage is ready.

Problem is, Bhelen is a wonderful king.

Thing is, he's a powerful king and he's in debt now. If anything, I can always assassinate him. 

[Jacks Smirking Revenge]

My mage is probably my first choice for importation right now.

Archdemon: Dark Ritual
Landsmeet: Alistair marrys Anora
Orzammar: Bhelen no Anvil
Urn: Preserved; slayed High Dragon allowed Genitivi to spread news
Dalish: Zath ended curse
Circle: Sided with mages
Boon: Chancellor (Alistair's advisor since I promised him I would help him be King for a while in post Landsmeet Dialogue)
Future: Search for Morrigan
Romanced: Morrigan
Hardened: Alistair and Leliana

Though my Cousland is gaining momentum. If we get a DLC or expac that lets us know more about Anora and our possible relationship with her. My Cousland will probably vault to my favorite save.

[Last Darkness]

Ok lets see
Perfect "Good" World

-Circle Tower-
Mages Saved, (If you can do it Bring Ohgren for the Fade)
Wynn not Killed.

-Red Cliff-
Village Saved and all quests completed and people recruited.
Jowan Lives, run him off as soon as you let him out of the cage. Dont let him help.
Use Mages to Save Connor, kill demon.

-Braecillian Forest-
Help all possible parties when possible, dont kill Hermit or Oak.
Save Werewolves.

-Orzamaar-
Bhelen King and the Anvil destroyed.
(Harrowmont is actualy really bad for the Dwarves with or without the Anvil)
DONT help Brother Burkle make a Chantry in Orzamaar.

-Haven-
Dont kill Brother Genitivi and Dont defile Ashes.
Kill Kolgrim, The Cult of Andraste and the High Dragon.

-Red Cliff-
Save Arl Eamon obviusly

-Denerim-
Dont do Theives/Assassin Quests or the Evil side of the "Blackstone Irregulars" quests.
Save everyone, especialy the alienage elves.
Kill the Arls son Vaughn(If you havent already as a City Elf)
Surrender to Cauthrine, for humor have Sten and Dog rescue you or Ohgren+Zevran lol

-Endgame-
Dont use allies, save as many as possible.
DONT sacrifice The Warden.
Sleep with Morrigan/Dark Ritual.

-Misc-
Dont Harden Leilana
DO harden Alistair
Have Anora rule
Have everyone max approval and all companion quests completed

-Variables-
Have Anora and Alistair Wed and rule together preferably.
Alternatively marry Alistair yourself if female human noble
Also Marrying Anora yourself, sparng Lohgaine and having him atone by sacrificing himself has some feeling as well.
Romance shouldnt matter

I think that covers a basic major plotline and relative NPCs for Origens.

Awakening is pretty straight forward for what the "Good options" are so I dont think it needs a guide.
Though DO always ally with The Architect.

[Last Darkness]

Perfect "Evil" world Origens
ok hmm
I think you can best do this as a Ruthless Male Human Noble.

-Lothering-
Leave Sten to Die.
Kill as much as possible.
Recruit Leilana.

-Circle Tower-
Kill Wynn
make sure ALL the mages are killed including Irving. Side with templars.
(Bring Ohgren for the Fade its funny)

-Red Cliff-
You can either help them and just dont do all the quests/recruiting or leave them to die in the night.
Have Jowan try and help.(Condems him to Death)
Ok go fight Connor and force Isolde to Kill him.
(Varible if a Warden mage, kill Isolde and neotiate with desire demon)

-Braecillian Forest-
Mess up Tamles Romance
Steal everything
kill Halla
in general be evil
Kill hermit and Oak.
Side with Werewolves and kill all Dahlish

-Orzamaar-
Help Brother Burkle and setup a Chantry
Side with Harrowmont and Branka and keep the Anvil.
(Bring Shale during final fight and Kill her)

-Haven-
Side with Cult
Kill Geneitivi
Defile Ashes
Bring leilana and kill her(Romance her but dont harden her for added evilness)

-Denerim-
Do evil side of Blackstone Irregulars and Theives quests.
Accept slavers offer to sacrifice slaves to boost your HP
Help Vaughn
Kill Cauthrine

-Landsmeet-
Marry Anora
Spare Lohgaine
Kill a unhardened Alistair(execute him)

-Endgame-
Perform Dark Ritual, Loghaine and you survive.
Blow all your troops on Archdemon.


-Misc-
I suggest romancing leilana till you kill her then romancing morrigan.
Dont harden Leilana
Dont harden alistair
Recruit Zevran
Keep or Kill Zevran when he betrays you in Denerim(I like him hes funny so i keep him)

Awakening is pretty cut and dry for whats good and evil. Though the evil path should be more miltary oriented.
Burn Amaranthine
Side with Architect


I think that covers for a evil/Ruthless Ferelden.

[Dave of Canada]

I don't remember correctly, yet I believe if you're a blood mage and you're in the mage tower (after saving Irving) there's a dialogue option to say "I'm a blood mage" that will make everybody hostile.

[Last Darkness]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't remember correctly, yet I believe if you're a blood mage and you're in the mage tower (after saving Irving) there's a dialogue option to say "I'm a blood mage" that will make everybody hostile.

You need a mod to do this, and having the Templars by themselves is worse then not having them.

Im going by NON modded options.

[Gegenlicht]

Last Darkness wrote...

Ok lets see
Perfect "Good" World

There's so much wrong with this. I mean, morals are objective at the end of the day, but that's a pretty inconsistent yardstick you're applying there. Killing Vaughn is okay but killing other bastards isn't just because you're getting your target info from the Antivan Crows?

[Arttis]

Worst save...Tower and templars killed.Andraste's ashes defiled.WErewolves as allies.Harrowmount as king.Branka with golem army.Connor with demon still inside and isolde dead.All possible comapnions dead with anora ruling alone.

That should give the worst results.

[Dave of Canada]

Last Darkness wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't remember correctly, yet I believe if you're a blood mage and you're in the mage tower (after saving Irving) there's a dialogue option to say "I'm a blood mage" that will make everybody hostile.

You need a mod to do this, and having the Templars by themselves is worse then not having them.

Im going by NON modded options.

Oh, didn't know it was a mod. I only heard about it on these forums

[Last Darkness]

Gegenlicht wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...

Ok lets see
Perfect "Good" World

There's so much wrong with this. I mean, morals are objective at the end of the day, but that's a pretty inconsistent yardstick you're applying there. Killing Vaughn is okay but killing other bastards isn't just because you're getting your target info from the Antivan Crows?

Its hard for me, I have no morals or ethics. Im a Fatalist.
It would be more accurate to state WHAT has the most positive benefits. Since being Moral will actualy cause a number of problems and screw things over for things in ferelden.   Like Siding with Harrowmont screws the dwarves, getting teh chantry in orzamar gets them all killed and a chantry holy war called aginst them, Letting Jowan "try to help" condems him to death.

[Gegenlicht]

Last Darkness wrote...

Its hard for me, I have no morals or ethics. Im a Fatalist.
It would be more accurate to state WHAT has the most positive benefits. Since being Moral will actualy cause a number of problems and screw things over for things in ferelden.   Like Siding with Harrowmont screws the dwarves, getting teh chantry in orzamar gets them all killed and a chantry holy war called aginst them, Letting Jowan "try to help" condems him to death.

Check. Greatest possible benefit for the greatest possible number of people? That's sensible I guess.

Though with DA:O being rather ambiguous on morality more often than not, it's probably hard to tell. The world might really be better off with less Mages, but on the upside, Mages are the heavy artillery of the humans in the war on the Darkspawn, which isn't over with the death of the Archdemon.

Keeping Loghaine alive seems also vital to me. While he doesn't actually show it in the game, he is, according to common opinion, the greatest general of Ferelden. He's the kind of guy you'd want around. On the other hand, he's already betrayed one king. Conversely, Alistair is popular but unfit to rule, and he doesn't really want to either.

These things are, as already noted, set up as ambiguous dilemmas. I don't presume there really is a definite objective best, just a personal preference.

[saMoorai]

side with Werewolves

Elves given territory because of Dalish warden

side with mages

Anvil intact

all companions at 100 approval and alive

alistar king

loghain recruited

connor alive

[Last Darkness]

I like how Origens really blurs the lines to create personal prejudices. Like how screwed you get by Bhelen if your a dwarf noble and how it turns out Bhelen either way with the anvil is the best outcome for the Dwarves (Harrowmont is the worst scenario for the Dwarves) or the fact that Anora ruling and Loghaine living are the best possible choices for Fereledens leadership.

[ZaroktheImmortal]

This would make it so much better. Importing from the last one and having those choices change this game. That would make it more interesting.

[Chuvvy]

Halfno wrote...
 Harrowmont king

Hahaha, no.


Also I think some of the stuff you can do in Lothering may have an effect on him.

Modifié par Slidell505, 11 juillet 2010 - 07:13 .

[Zerthus]

Well I've played through enough times that I'll be sure to get a decent mix up of playthroughs in DA2, but my fave set up, just because of how interesting it would be, is...

Male Elf Mage: Makes a ritual baby and searches for Morrigan
Alistair: King of Ferelden [I don't care what anyone says, he'd make a terrible king]
Redcliffe: The town's people slaughtered, and Eamon's son dead.
Brecillian Forest: Werewolves murder Dalish
Orzammar: Anvil preserved[who doesn't want to see more golems about?], and Bhelen on the throne
Tower of Magi: Preserved[but not set free][I still want more conflict between Templars and Apostates]
Haven: Ashes defiled, cult killed

Modifié par Zerthus, 11 juillet 2010 - 07:22 .

[Livemmo]

can someone link me where any of this has been confirmed

[Celticon]

I thought that there is no white vs black in distinguishing Harrowmont and Bhelen. Bhelen's policies seem to make more sense, though after coronation it's clear he's a despot. If you've played through dwarf noble origins you'll learn that he's been plotting to take the throne at any cost.

Harrowmont isn't as scheming, but he has the more backwards and isolationist policies. You'd only get a "good king" by mixing half of each ruler.

Modifié par Celticon, 11 juillet 2010 - 07:51 .

[Gegenlicht]

More relevantly, if you're not playing a dwarf who might not care, Bhelen stands for opening up to more contact with the topside world.

[Lyssistr]

One question, is it confirmed it will be a save import that's gonna pass the DA:O info to the game, or it's just been mention that DA:O will impact the gameworld of DA2?



kotor 2 had questions about kotor's ending and the gameworld was affected that way.



Just askin to see what to do with savegames.

[Cerberus Operative]

Male Elf Mage:

 - Circle saved, mages as allies.

 - Redcliffe saved, used blood magic ritual

 - Harrowmont king, anvil destroyed

 - Zathrian lifts curse

 - Alistair rules alone

 - Dark ritual ending

Male Human Noble:

 - Circle destroyed, templars as allies

 - Redcliffe left to die, killed Conor

 - Bhelen king, anvil preserved

 - Dalish elves massacred

 - PC rules with Anora

 - Dark ritual ending

Female Human Noble:

 - Circle saved, mages as allies

 - Redcliffe saved, got mages to prepare fade ritual, saved Conor

 - Bhelen king, anvil destroyed

 - Zathrian lifts curse

 - PC rules with Alastair (not hardened)

 - Dark ritual ending

[Gegenlicht]

Yes. I can't possibly find it on the quick, but paraphrased, your decisions in DA:O will influence some things in 'DA2'. Which things these are, exactly, we don't know, but I'd assume that whom you put on the various thrones will at least be mentioned. One might hear a reference to King Alistair, the other might hear that the Hero of Ferelden sits upon the throne, with Loghain as his general. Whether this will be more than fluff here and there, we again don't know. Kirkwall is far enough removed for changes in Ferelden to not necessarily have a direct influence on it.

[Lyssistr]

Gegenlicht wrote...

Yes. I can't possibly find it on the quick, but paraphrased, your decisions in DA:O will influence some things in 'DA2'. Which things these are, exactly, we don't know, but I'd assume that whom you put on the various thrones will at least be mentioned. One might hear a reference to King Alistair, the other might hear that the Hero of Ferelden sits upon the throne, with Loghain as his general. Whether this will be more than fluff here and there, we again don't know. Kirkwall is far enough removed for changes in Ferelden to not necessarily have a direct influence on it.

So no official word on loading a save game? it could as well be a set of questions like in kotor 2 - instead of loading a game.