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[cotheer]

I am hoping for some nice "happily ever after" ending in which my Warden becomes the first one to survive the calling (and the deep roads journey).

Wishful thinking

[thenemesis77]

I kow this may sound lame, but the story I came up with, is like Hawke getting power and his crew that you pic in DA2 and in DA3 The Warden and his old crew vs. Hawke and his crew or the other way around, you get to pick either Hawke or the Warden for reason I could think of and so could David, Man what a battle for what reasons suit you.


I know alot of it is not fleshed out but you kinda get my reason, would a battle for the new age.

Modifié par thenemesis77, 10 juillet 2010 - 11:50 .

[javierabegazo]

tbsking wrote...

It just says quite a bit if within the course of an hour I can go from eye-burstingly excited about a sequel to saying that I will flat-out not buy it.

It doesn't really say much of anything at all. it just says that you react fast on something that you're emotionally attached to

[BruceLEE_22]

Please people grow up!

All I can see on this forum is bunch of spoiled kids constantly complaining and not helping developers at all!

YOU must understand that DA:O is just like BIG, really big prologue to what will happen to actual storyline of REAL dragon age (DA 2)!

Origins is used to understand and learn the lore and fluff of great fantasy world THAT BIOWARE CREATED and you should respect that!

[Altima Darkspells]

Pocketgb wrote...

Two words of comfort:

"Planescape" and "Torment".

Pre-determined character, few classes to choose from, completely epic experience.

Yes, and realistically, we will never, ever see anything else like it.

Planescape was extremely heavy on the text, which would have to translate to it being extremely heavy in VA nowadays.  Also, the text descriptions would then have to be made into actual on-screen visuals--some of which the mere descriptions of make some people physically ill.

Last, but not least, PST sold absolutely horribly, which is the biggest and last nail on its coffin.  People don't want deep, immersive roleplaying experiences anymore.  They just want to shoot things and get 'lewt'.

Think of how much more awesome PST would've been if you could choose TNO's gender.  A big, hulking, heavily scarred girl.

BruceLEE_22 wrote...

Please people grow up!
All I can see on this forum is bunch of spoiled kids constantly complaining and not helping developers at all!
YOU must understand that DA:O is just like BIG, really big prologue to what will happen to actual storyline of REAL dragon age (DA 2)!
Origins is used to understand and learn the lore and fluff of great fantasy world THAT BIOWARE CREATED and you should respect that!

If BioWare wants to release more information--especially that which implies that DA2 won't be Shepard with Swords--then I'm sure we'd all be thrilled to help them out.  Until then, we have to make due with what we have, and if we don't like it, we're free on the internet to express our indignations.

Have you ever wasted money on a game--especially a sequel--that you were completely unhappy with?  Yes?  Then shush about us being spoiled.  Many of us are long-time BioWare fans, and if we feel that, perhaps, that, maybe, the company should, once in a while, cater to the fans that made them successful, that's also our right.

Modifié par Altima Darkspells, 10 juillet 2010 - 11:53 .

[AmstradHero]

You know, it's also possible that BioWare listens in other ways... like this:
http://social.biowar...bw_projects.php
and this:
http://www.dragonage...top/alltime.php

If you want someone to blame for the supposed direction that DA2 is going  (and I'm not at all convinced we have enough information to decide that yet), then perhaps the blame should be pointed at the players themselves?

Because according to those lists, players don't want quests, character interaction, an interesting story and meaningful choices; players apparently want pretty people, big loot, big breasts and sex.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 10 juillet 2010 - 11:59 .

[tbsking]

javierabegazo wrote...

tbsking wrote...

It just says quite a bit if within the course of an hour I can go from eye-burstingly excited about a sequel to saying that I will flat-out not buy it.

It doesn't really say much of anything at all. it just says that you react fast on something that you're emotionally attached to

Certainly, and to each his own as it will be when the game hits, but as a huge fan of Dragon Age who was immeasurably pleased with the game I was quite disappointed as soon as I found out what the sequel would entail. I think BioWare stepped out a little too far with this. I think keeping the formula, modifying the parts that really needed  modifying, and continuing the story that was left very open would be a safer bet. There would be far fewer people decrying the changes being made.

I first heard that there was a sequel and I felt as though I'd heard the best news of the summer. As one who doesn't follow video game news too often I knew I would be following this as heavily as I could. However, upon reading the few bullet points about the game I immediately said, "No, I don't think I'll be buying this at all."

The irony being that I'd just recieved in the mail both the Dragon Age books from Amazon and am considering picking up the RPG book just for the heck of it. I haven't seen the comic in the local shop, but I was considering getting that, too.

Yet the one game I can say that I was very anxious to hear news about managed to change my opinion on the subject with the preliminary information alone. I still love Dragon Age, but I'll probably skip this installment.

[Icinix]

Does BioWare listen?



If anything I think BioWare is guilty of listening too much.



Let the men and women work, they do fantastic games and between you me and everyone else, they know a damn lot more about making fine games than the very vast majority of people out there. (Fans and game companies alike)

[JeanLuc761]

Altima Darkspells wrote...
Have you ever wasted money on a game--especially a sequel--that you were completely unhappy with?  Yes?  Then shush about us being spoiled.  Many of us are long-time BioWare fans, and if we feel that, perhaps, that, maybe, the company should, once in a while, cater to the fans that made them successful, that's also our right.

What you're basically saying is that because the fans have purchased Bioware games in the past, somehow you have the right to demand that Bioware sacrifice their creative direction and their vision of the game to cater to you, just because the minority doesn't like the direction it's taking.  They don't owe you anything, they're the ones doing all the work, they're the ones making the games we all love. 

Purchasing their games is payment for a job well done, not a free pass to demand they make games exactly how you want.

[javierabegazo]

tbsking wrote...

I still love Dragon Age, but I'll probably skip this installment.

So you'll skip learning more about the depth and lore of Thedas and Dragon Age because you won't get to play as your Warden?

[LPPrince]

javierabegazo wrote...

tbsking wrote...

I still love Dragon Age, but I'll probably skip this installment.

So you'll skip learning more about the depth and lore of Thedas and Dragon Age because you won't get to play as your Warden?

Sounds like it. *headdesk*

[AlexXIV]

javierabegazo wrote...

tbsking wrote...

I still love Dragon Age, but I'll probably skip this installment.

So you'll skip learning more about the depth and lore of Thedas and Dragon Age because you won't get to play as your Warden?

I'd say depends on how much this installment is gonna screw with 'my Dragon Age'. So far my Grey Warden was the greatest hero of his age. And now this upstart is trying to take his place.

[Riona45]

Altima Darkspells wrote...
Many of us are long-time BioWare fans, and if we feel that, perhaps, that, maybe, the company should, once in a while, cater to the fans that made them successful, that's also our right.

I've "been with" BioWare since Baldur's Gate and I'm not upset about the DA2 news.  In fact, I am rather intrigued by it. 

Just saying that not all long-time fans who "made BioWare successful" feel alienated by this.

Modifié par Riona45, 11 juillet 2010 - 12:10 .

[soteria]

The irony being that I'd just recieved in the mail both the Dragon Age books from Amazon and am considering picking up the RPG book just for the heck of it. I haven't seen the comic in the local shop, but I was considering getting that, too.



Yet the one game I can say that I was very anxious to hear news about managed to change my opinion on the subject with the preliminary information alone. I still love Dragon Age, but I'll probably skip this installment.

You're willing to spend money on two books and maybe a comic that also don't tell the story of your warden, but not to spend money on another game in the same setting, telling a story that intersects that of your warden, just because it doesn't directly continue with your warden? I don't understand. Obviously you love the world they've created.

[tbsking]

javierabegazo wrote...

tbsking wrote...

I still love Dragon Age, but I'll probably skip this installment.

So you'll skip learning more about the depth and lore of Thedas and Dragon Age because you won't get to play as your Warden?

Pretty much. I was looking forward to finishing the tale of my Warden that was left open. For sixty bucks, plus the cost of DLC, I think I can afford to wiki this next game. I'm just incredibly disappointed that they would cut off in the middle of what was shaping up to be an epic saga. Certainly it will expand on the Dragon Age universe, but it won't finish a story that is in need of a proper ending.

Perhaps another game will conclude it to my satisfaction, and I'll be buying that. But so far, I'm not at all thrilled about the sequel going in a different direction.

I totally would have considered this if it weren't supposed to be the direct sequel.

[soteria]

I'd say depends on how much this installment is gonna screw with 'my Dragon Age'. So far my Grey Warden was the greatest hero of his age. And now this upstart is trying to take his place.

/shrug. He'll be your champion of Kirkwall. Still yours, what's the difference if he's also awesome?

[_-Greywolf-_]

thenemesis77 wrote...

_-Greywolf-_ wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

thenemesis77 wrote...
Thanks, David, you have never let me down I know. I know you might and can't speak of it this time around, is there any kind of DLC for our current Warnde or was DAA his final hour? I understand if you can't talk about it. I love your way of telling the story and I have faith, just am a fan boy of my warden and the morrigan story.

If any such project existed, I couldn't talk about it-- and would have to give you an unsatisfying non-answer that would only hurt you.

Why do you make me hurt you?

But if it doesnt exist you could openly deny it? There you go folks we have confirmation of er .... something.

Don't push David on it, I won't, he may just kill him or her for that, lol.....please keep him or her alive....to fight Hawke in the end to save the wardens baby.......I can dream

Hmmm maybe I want David to kill the Warden, ever thought of that? Especially if the Warden dies a very silly and pointless death like tripping on a rock and breaking his neck. What if they make Darkspawn Cronicles canon? that way they wouldnt need a DLC to finish his(or her) story as the Warden's story would have ended before it even began, Mwahahahahaha.


In all seriousness I dont really think we need a DLC to end the Wardens story, in my opinion it is probably better that they dont and leave it up to the player's imagination, unless of course the Wardens story is some way tied to Dragon Age 2 then they may need to wrap things up.

[soteria]

Perhaps another game will conclude it to my satisfaction, and I'll be buying that. But so far, I'm not at all thrilled about the sequel going in a different direction.



I totally would have considered this if it weren't supposed to be the direct sequel.

They never ever said a second Dragon Age game would be "the direct sequel." In fact, they frequently cautioned people in the past from trying to hold them to that expectation.

[tbsking]

soteria wrote...

The irony being that I'd just recieved in the mail both the Dragon Age books from Amazon and am considering picking up the RPG book just for the heck of it. I haven't seen the comic in the local shop, but I was considering getting that, too.

Yet the one game I can say that I was very anxious to hear news about managed to change my opinion on the subject with the preliminary information alone. I still love Dragon Age, but I'll probably skip this installment.

You're willing to spend money on two books and maybe a comic that also don't tell the story of your warden, but not to spend money on another game in the same setting, telling a story that intersects that of your warden, just because it doesn't directly continue with your warden? I don't understand. Obviously you love the world they've created.

It's different. I bought the books because I was interested in learning about Maric and Loghain. I might buy the comics because I'm interested in another tale set in the universe. Not gonna buy the game, because I was really more intersted in finishing the story left quite unfinished. As it is tangential to the story of my Warden, I feel as though it's not something I need to play. I'm far more interested in playing my Warden.

[Pissed_off_Gamer108]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...
Have you ever wasted money on a game--especially a sequel--that you were completely unhappy with?  Yes?  Then shush about us being spoiled.  Many of us are long-time BioWare fans, and if we feel that, perhaps, that, maybe, the company should, once in a while, cater to the fans that made them successful, that's also our right.

What you're basically saying is that because the fans have purchased Bioware games in the past, somehow you have the right to demand that Bioware sacrifice their creative direction and their vision of the game to cater to you, just because the minority doesn't like the direction it's taking.  They don't owe you anything, they're the ones doing all the work, they're the ones making the games we all love. 

Purchasing their games is payment for a job well done, not a free pass to demand they make games exactly how you want.

They wouldn't be able to make ANY games if we, the gamers, didn't buy them. So yes, that gives us rights. I mean seriously, do you think they're making these games to sate THEIR artistic hunger? If so, you're misinformed. They make games, all developers make games, for one reason and one reason only....MONEY! We,the people, have the money they want. So I say, if they want it, they'll give us something in return. Not $60 movies. No, Mass Effect 2 was a WASTE of time and money. What we want are interactive stories. 
I will NOT buy the Dragon Age sequel if they do not cater to us. Call us spoiled, call us ingrates, call us whatever you please. But the fact of the matter is, my words will be proven true if they're not adhered to. In a decade's time, maybe less, the gaming industry will falter. There will be no more blockbuster games. We'll be lucky to get ANY games. Mark my words. We've already seen evidence of this. Look at the last two years and name my 5 games you've purchased and actually enjoyed. Games you didn't sell, games you plan on playing again and again. Name me just 5. 
In years past, people could name 10, 20 even. A great game used to come out bi-monthly and we'd all be faced with a choice of "what do I play??" because we couldn't simply decide which one excited us the most. 
The golden age of gaming has come to an end. Now it's ALL shooters. Shooters or kiddy games. There are no true RPGs anymore. There are no turned based strategy. All the genres have fallen away to give trigger happy sheep more digital fodder to take aim at. 

[Estel78]

Riona45 wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...
Many of us are long-time BioWare fans, and if we feel that, perhaps, that, maybe, the company should, once in a while, cater to the fans that made them successful, that's also our right.

I've "been with" BioWare since Baldur's Gate and I'm not upset about the DA2 news.  In fact, I am rather intrigued by it. 

Just saying that not all long-time fans who "made BioWare successful" feel alienated by this.

Same here.

[Mike Laidlaw]

In many cases, we're simply in a position where we cannot discuss certain points due to the way we're handling the release, or in order to be respectful of people like Game Informer who vary graciously gave us an opportunity to appear on their cover, even when other titles were certainly hoping to fill the post-E3 wrap up issue cover spot.



We do listen, and are, in fact, listening right now, but as someone you'll meet very soon is fond of saying, "You need to hear the whole story." We know what we're working on, and I firmly believe that the end product will not disappoint.



You may disagree with a few decisions, and that's fair, it's your right as consumers, fans and avid RPG players. So long as the discussion is civil, we're happy to have it with you....once we can dive in in detail and discuss it in context, because we all know that platitudes and teases are only fun in limited doses, if at all. You guys are too plugged-in for that, and we're going to try and get you more updates as time goes by. That's a big part of Victor's role, for instance.



For now, I will simply beg your patience, and enjoy the speculation that I'm starting to see about the characters (returning and new), story, and just what changes we made to combat. Always interesting to see what guesses folks make this early on. Some of them are even right on, but I'm not saying which, of course.



Mike..

[AlexXIV]

soteria wrote...

I'd say depends on how much this installment is gonna screw with 'my Dragon Age'. So far my Grey Warden was the greatest hero of his age. And now this upstart is trying to take his place.

/shrug. He'll be your champion of Kirkwall. Still yours, what's the difference if he's also awesome?

Well not exactly. It is going to be some important person of Thedas in whose role I slip for a while. My Warden was my Warden. Also the whole 'rise to power' thing is not my cup of tea either. I mean if it was a military/strategy game or build-up/economy simulation, ok, there is a challenge. But where is really the challenge to become wealthy or powerful in an RPG, it is only about plot choices right?

[soteria]

I guess I don't see how a story about Maric that is only tangentially connected to your warden's story is that much more related than that of a character who actually lived in the same time frame and probably crossed paths with your warden in Lothering. As I understand, both books, but moreso the first, have to do with the setting (kicking Orlais out of Ferelden). That's no more directly related than the story of a character who escaped the blight--but probably wouldn't have if your warden hadn't stopped it.