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[OmegaXI]

After the smoke clears or during the war with the Reapers in ME3 shouldn't the Council new or original be put on trial for crimes aganist organic life for doing nothing to prevent or prepare for the Reaper Invasion?

Just  finished reviewing the Nuremberg trial and few other international trials, and got to thinking how the Original council would react if they were put on trial half ways through ME3. I'm not saying that they directly killed anyone but they sure did drop the ball on everything.

I mean they did ignore the threat of the Reaper Invasion which will most likely cost the life of millions if not billions once its all said and done. I just don't think a " oh my bad we were wrong" or "thank you Shepard for once again saving the galaxy without our help".  Is going to cut it.

Also it would be for some great scenes and dialogue seeing Undina (if Anderson is on the Council) ripping into the Original Council members for their Crimes aganist organic life. Or on the other side Anderson ripping into Udina if he  was on trial with the council.

Imagine Tali's trial times a thousand, each Council member (human included) put to a Military tribunal trying to defend their actions with Shepard as judge, defender, prosecuter, or of course excutioner ( old Shep putting on the black hood of the hang man or no hood to see his smile or disgust), and being able to choose who is found guilty or innocent, and method of excution; hanging, gun shot to the head, tossed in the air lock, firing squad, or a dual in the Turians case. Even give the option for them to kill themslves out of shame.

I'm only saying this because alot of living beings are going to die  and someone is going to have to take the blame. And it would make for some great dialogue options too.

Just a thought wondering what everyone else thinks about it.

Modifié par OmegaXI, 10 juillet 2010 - 09:29 .

[FourSixEight]

That depends. The problem with the Council is that while you can make a good case for them being incompetent morons who deserve to be prosecuted, you can make an equally good case that they're simply doing the best they can to protect galactic stability and the only thing they did wrong was to not act on unsubstantiated evidence.



Should we have the option to put them on trial, though? Absolutely, but only if they won't help in ME3.

[CroGamer002]

Agreed and not just that but choice to abolish Council for good.

I mean Council sucked even before.

Not helping Quarians with Geth, needed Krogans to defeat Rachni and let them make extinct, Krogan rebelions, letting racist policies on Citadel...

[OmegaXI]

Very true, how about if TIM (renegade) getting the collector base he snatches them up for a trial. If not Then Admiral Hackett (paragon) will bring them up on charges.  Or maybe a coalition of races brings them up on charges, I mean theres a lot of way you can go about it, and it would bring an interesting perspective of galactic law or victors justice to the game.

Modifié par OmegaXI, 10 juillet 2010 - 09:34 .

[InHarmsWay]

This is an interesting idea for an epilogue for charging them with Gross Negligence.

[Docbrown777]

Shepard needs to do a Judge Dread. "I'm am the law"



This council has been found guilty of gross incompetence. Sentence; death.

[OmegaXI]

Shepard : " Ah yes innocent, we have dismissed that claim"

[lovgreno]

Well actualy they have not been given any real solid proof that Shepards talk about reapers are true. Their job is to secure galactic stability and all this talk about reapers could cause panic. So when the reapers do come the Council will look rather foolish but they have not done anything illegal. They can claim to have done their duty. Besides a trial would make everyone who supported the council, wich is basicaly everyone with power in the galaxy, look foolish as well so they would oppose it too. Shepard can throw how many tantrums he wants but the Council listens to solid proof, not threats.

That said I bet the Council is doing something about the reapers, just keeping it secret untill they know more. They have no reason to trust a Shepard who works with Cerberus with that though.

[Captain Crash]

I hear the yell now after outer colonies get burned... War Criminals!



Yeah could be done, there is enough evidence to say it shouldnt have happend. But it will be a white wash. Just look at modern day politics

[NICKjnp]

How are they going to be put on trial? The Council is the ultimate authority in game regardless if it is the new one or the old one. To put the Council on trial is to completely strip them of authority and say that they are just puppet leaders of a military regime.

[angj57]

OmegaXI wrote...

After the smoke clears or during the war with the Reapers in ME3 shouldn't the Council new or original be put on trial for crimes aganist organic life for doing nothing to prevent or prepare for the Reaper Invasion?

Just  finished reviewing the Nuremberg trial and few other international trials, and got to thinking how the Original council would react if they were put on trial half ways through ME3. I'm not saying that they directly killed anyone but they sure did drop the ball on everything.

Well, war crimes are generally only charged against the losers. At Nuremberg, for instance, some of the minor charges against military figures could have easily also been turned around and charged against allied figures, particularly Soviet ones. Charging the Council for being negligent about the Reapers would have been like Allies charging French and British political leaders for appeasing Hitler before the war. Extrodinarily unlikely.

That said, the Council would likely lose a lot of credibility and political clout if it were ever made public how they ignored evidence about the Reapers. To be honest, I don't blame them. They represent very, very old civilizations which aren't used to dramatic change and are therefore more prone to caution and deliberation. But what might happen is that unscrupulous humans, whether it be Udina or Cerberus, could use the charge of Council neglegence to gain power and argue for more influence being given to humans.

[Zulu_DFA]

angj57 wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

After the smoke clears or during the war with the Reapers in ME3 shouldn't the Council new or original be put on trial for crimes aganist organic life for doing nothing to prevent or prepare for the Reaper Invasion?

Just  finished reviewing the Nuremberg trial and few other international trials, and got to thinking how the Original council would react if they were put on trial half ways through ME3. I'm not saying that they directly killed anyone but they sure did drop the ball on everything.

Well, war crimes are generally only charged against the losers. At Nuremberg, for instance, some of the minor charges against military figures could have easily also been turned around and charged against allied figures, particularly Soviet ones. Charging the Council for being negligent about the Reapers would have been like Allies charging French and British political leaders for appeasing Hitler before the war. Extrodinarily unlikely.

That said, the Council would likely lose a lot of credibility and political clout if it were ever made public how they ignored evidence about the Reapers. To be honest, I don't blame them. They represent very, very old civilizations which aren't used to dramatic change and are therefore more prone to caution and deliberation. But what might happen is that unscrupulous humans, whether it be Udina or Cerberus, could use the charge of Council neglegence to gain power and argue for more influence being given to humans.

This^.

Docbrown777 wrote...

Shepard needs to do a Judge Dread. "I'm am the law"

This council has been found guilty of gross incompetence. Sentence; death.

Wasn't that basically the final choice in ME1?

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 10 juillet 2010 - 10:55 .

[The Big Nothing]

It's politics. There is no evidence that Sovereign was a Reaper. It's Shepard's word against probability. Put yourself in their shoes, fool.

[mosor]

OmegaXI wrote...

After the smoke clears or during the war with the Reapers in ME3 shouldn't the Council new or original be put on trial for crimes aganist organic life for doing nothing to prevent or prepare for the Reaper Invasion?

To be fair, they have no evidence that the reapers even exist. To them Sovereign was a highly advanced ship under Saren's control. They believe Saren was the instigator of that attack, and have no evidence that Sovereign was. They believe that Sovereign was a highly advanced ship that either Saren found, or the geth built, but ulimately Saren was in control. They have no evidence Sovereign was sentient and was the entity in charge. All they have is your word and frankly that means squat to them.

Just  finished reviewing the Nuremberg trial and few other international trials, and got to thinking how the Original council would react if they were put on trial half ways through ME3. I'm not saying that they directly killed anyone but they sure did drop the ball on everything.

Negligance isn't a war crime. That's why Neville Chamberlian wasn't tried in Nuremburg.

Modifié par mosor, 10 juillet 2010 - 10:48 .

[voteDC]

No they shouldn't.



The actual evidence of the Reapers is very thin, it essentially boils down to Shepard's word. If I hadn't been playing the role of Shepard then I'm not sure I'd believe her either.

[Ninniach Lina]

It should be an option. I would actually like to find one of the councilors to be under Reaper control. Would be friggan awesome.

[mosor]

Ninniach Lina wrote...

It should be an option. I would actually like to find one of the councilors to be under Reaper control. Would be friggan awesome.

I prefered being judge, jury and executioner. Thats one of the highlights of ME1.

[Caesar914]

Yeah I'm having trouble imagining this happen, I don't see why the Council should be tried like that. From our perspectives they've been total idiots, but from their perspective they've acted like rational politicians would.

[lovgreno]

From their perspective Shepard is probably starting to sound like a lunatic... I can't say I blame them.

[OmegaXI]

It doesn't just have to be the original Council being tried it could be the human ran council as well. If its politics as many people are saying which is very reasonable considering everything that has happened about the lack of evidence and such.



But remember Neil Chamberlian stepped down in disgrace, and from reading Cerebus Daily news a Turian who is disgraced usualy takes his own life or winds up dead. But the trial I was kinda hinting at could be a trial aganist the Human lead council who also did nothing or a mock or show trial for the original council who also has not seemed to do much.



I just can't see the Council remaining with its current members whoever it may be after such a huge mistake, granted because of lack of evidence, but once millions have died the galactic comunity is going to want different leadership one would think or some one Opportunistic will take this chance *cough TIM cough* to remove them. The trial could be influenced by lots of combinations depending on what you choose at the end of both the first and 2nd game.

Example: ME1: Orginial council dies(renegade) + ME2: Base destroyed= Humans on trial

or

ME1:Orginal Council lives + ME2: Base Destroyed = Orginal council on trial

or

ME1: Council lives + ME2: base saved = Cerberus puts council on trial (mock trial)





theres alot of combinations for the trial and remember once the reapers arrive this will prove Shepard the savior of the citidal was right and with the fear of the reapers the he will be the one people look to for leadership. Or maybe the council member will change and some races will lose their seat and be replaced by another race ex: Quarians replace Turians or something like that or orginal races regain their seats from the human only council.

[mosor]

Really depends on how the third game plays out. Could be fun, but just saying as of right now, neither the old council or the human led council have done nothing to deserve a trial.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

The problem is, they ARE the law. They can't be executed.

[OmegaXI]

lots of good opinions and reasons thanks guys and gals.