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[OmegaXI]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

The problem is, they ARE the law. They can't be executed.

This is true but I think whoever has the biggest and most intact fleet at the end of or during ME3 will be the law like another coup  which happened with the renegade ending of ME1.

Another one of the trials I was reviewing was the Admiral who was in charge of Pearl Harbor for the US (can't remember his name and sorry can't stand to study anymore atm). He was put to court martial by a military for his failure. And I'm not saying that they would be found guilty (paragon check by shepard and boom their innocent), it just someones heads going to have to roll and if its politics like many have reasonable claimed then their going to have to toss someone under the bus err I mean out the airlock. and one has to wonder who is going to catch the blame for everything once they start pointing fingers *cough Shepard cough*

Modifié par OmegaXI, 10 juillet 2010 - 11:46 .

[BatarianBob]

I suppose if they wanted to do something so absurd that it makes zombie-frog-Saren, the Human Reaper, and the ludicrous spandex outfits seem plausible by comparison, that's a route they could go.



Realistically, the most you could expect would be the Council members being forced to resign.

[lovgreno]

I wonder if all this dislike for the Council is just because they don't do as Shepard (=we) says. Wich is kind of a lot to ask realy, Shepard is just one individual in a very big galaxy. The Council actualy gives Shepard a lot of support when he can give them a reason for it. With some clever use of the mass media the Council could, and probably will, make themselves heroes. Well the alien Council at least, I don't see how the all human Council could have managed to get politicaly strong enough in these two years. The Human Council is already rather impopular so they might be selected as fall guys actualy.

[CroGamer002]

angj57 wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

After the smoke clears or during the war with the Reapers in ME3 shouldn't the Council new or original be put on trial for crimes aganist organic life for doing nothing to prevent or prepare for the Reaper Invasion?

Just  finished reviewing the Nuremberg trial and few other international trials, and got to thinking how the Original council would react if they were put on trial half ways through ME3. I'm not saying that they directly killed anyone but they sure did drop the ball on everything.

Well, war crimes are generally only charged against the losers. At Nuremberg, for instance, some of the minor charges against military figures could have easily also been turned around and charged against allied figures, particularly Soviet ones. Charging the Council for being negligent about the Reapers would have been like Allies charging French and British political leaders for appeasing Hitler before the war. Extrodinarily unlikely.

That said, the Council would likely lose a lot of credibility and political clout if it were ever made public how they ignored evidence about the Reapers. To be honest, I don't blame them. They represent very, very old civilizations which aren't used to dramatic change and are therefore more prone to caution and deliberation. But what might happen is that unscrupulous humans, whether it be Udina or Cerberus, could use the charge of Council neglegence to gain power and argue for more influence being given to humans.

That's why we should have choice in ME3 to abolish Council.

[CroGamer002]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Docbrown777 wrote...

Shepard needs to do a Judge Dread. "I'm am the law"

This council has been found guilty of gross incompetence. Sentence; death.

Wasn't that basically the final choice in ME1?

New Council is nothing better.

[Xena_Shepard]

There are big holes in your theory.



First of all, the council may be ruled by humans, but that doesn't mean they are under the jurisdiction of any other human government. Britain and the United States are ruled by humans but you don't see the Senate passing judgment on Parliament. The council answers to no one, there isn't any other governing body that can tell them what to do, in theory like any other council they would put their own members on trial, but if the entire council is corrupt then the only outcome is for someone to assassinate the entire council.



And I already killed your idea of a military tribunal, as I said the council has more authority than the Alliance, technically the council controls the Alliance and the navies of the other major races.



So I'm more of the hope that the council gets to die, though I realize, unlike other people, that having a council is the best option, because there always has to be rule in society and if it's not by a council it'd be by an emperor, which is far worse.

[CroGamer002]

Xena_Shepard wrote...

There are big holes in your theory.

First of all, the council may be ruled by humans, but that doesn't mean they are under the jurisdiction of any other human government. Britain and the United States are ruled by humans but you don't see the Senate passing judgment on Parliament. The council answers to no one, there isn't any other governing body that can tell them what to do, in theory like any other council they would put their own members on trial, but if the entire council is corrupt then the only outcome is for someone to assassinate the entire council.

And I already killed your idea of a military tribunal, as I said the council has more authority than the Alliance, technically the council controls the Alliance and the navies of the other major races.

So I'm more of the hope that the council gets to die, though I realize, unlike other people, that having a council is the best option, because there always has to be rule in society and if it's not by a council it'd be by an emperor, which is far worse.

Well if people, army and court stop recognise their power then they can kiss they Council seat goodbye.

[jojon2se]

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[Zulu_DFA]

Mesina2 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Docbrown777 wrote...

Shepard needs to do a Judge Dread. "I'm am the law"

This council has been found guilty of gross incompetence. Sentence; death.

Wasn't that basically the final choice in ME1?

New Council is nothing better.

Yes it is. At least it doesn't waste my time trying to look smug.

[CroGamer002]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Docbrown777 wrote...

Shepard needs to do a Judge Dread. "I'm am the law"

This council has been found guilty of gross incompetence. Sentence; death.

Wasn't that basically the final choice in ME1?

New Council is nothing better.

Yes it is. At least it doesn't waste my time trying to look smug.

But they are still not beliving in Reapers and don't want to help you and if you don't pick Anderson for Councilor they don't want to give you Spectre status. So my Shep gave them strong position and they tell me to ****** off? Screw them!

[Reptilian Rob]

lovgreno wrote...

From their perspective Shepard is probably starting to sound like a lunatic... I can't say I blame them.

"Put some more stuff in the thing where stuff goes."

[Caesar914]

Lol I'm sorry but this is just too outlandish for me to really consider. By this logic we're assuming that it's the Citadel Council that's going to be blamed for millions or billions dying in a Reaper war (which I also have trouble believing will happen in ME3), when realistically it'll probably be them that are looking for someone to blame. This is an immense community with a stable government that's been around for, what? Isn't it like a few thousand years now? Or is it just centuries? Ha, either way, that's one of the longest lasting governments I've ever heard of. If anyone really wanted to mess with the Council, they have the Citadel Fleet, C-Sec, and the Citadel Station itself to protect themselves. You can't just put people with so much power and political clout on trial or kill them without a big backlash coming your way.

[Zulu_DFA]

Mesina2 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Docbrown777 wrote...

Shepard needs to do a Judge Dread. "I'm am the law"

This council has been found guilty of gross incompetence. Sentence; death.

Wasn't that basically the final choice in ME1?

New Council is nothing better.

Yes it is. At least it doesn't waste my time trying to look smug.

But they are still not beliving in Reapers and don't want to help you and if you don't pick Anderson for Councilor they don't want to give you Spectre status. So my Shep gave them strong position and they tell me to ****** off? Screw them!

Chill out, it's politics!

[CroGamer002]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

But they are still not beliving in Reapers and don't want to help you and if you don't pick Anderson for Councilor they don't want to give you Spectre status. So my Shep gave them strong position and they tell me to ****** off? Screw them!

Chill out, it's politics!

I hate politics.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Interesting theories everyone.



I'm sure SOMETHING will happen to the Council in ME3. Can't say anything further, but at the very least they will change how they view potential threats.

[lovgreno]

Sadly politics exists wether we like it or not. And we all must get involved if we don't want dictatorship.

[CroGamer002]

lovgreno wrote...

Sadly politics exists wether we like it or not. And we all must get involved if we don't want dictatorship.

My mistake, I don't hate politics, I hate polititians.

[Nightwriter]

I think it should happen.

I do not think Shepard should be judge, jury, and executioner. I think the People should judge the Council. Because it is the People whom they have failed, and whom they were meant to protect.

What they should be tried for is not the fact that they refused to act based on unsubstantiated evidence.

What they should be tried for is the fact that they didn't want to investigate, so they didn't. The lack of evidence was simply convenient for them.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Mesina2 wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Sadly politics exists wether we like it or not. And we all must get involved if we don't want dictatorship.

My mistake, I don't hate politics, I hate polititians.

politicians *

 

[Raizo]

mosor wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

After the smoke clears or during the war with the Reapers in ME3 shouldn't the Council new or original be put on trial for crimes aganist organic life for doing nothing to prevent or prepare for the Reaper Invasion?

To be fair, they have no evidence that the reapers even exist. To them Sovereign was a highly advanced ship under Saren's control. They believe Saren was the instigator of that attack, and have no evidence that Sovereign was. They believe that Sovereign was a highly advanced ship that either Saren found, or the geth built, but ulimately Saren was in control. They have no evidence Sovereign was sentient and was the entity in charge. All they have is your word and frankly that means squat to them.

Just  finished reviewing the Nuremberg trial and few other international trials, and got to thinking how the Original council would react if they were put on trial half ways through ME3. I'm not saying that they directly killed anyone but they sure did drop the ball on everything.

Negligance isn't a war crime. That's why Neville Chamberlian wasn't tried in Nuremburg.

And there lies the problem. While alot of gamers are petty enough to get a kick out of punishing the council for the lack of understanding and coooperation in the past ME games the truth is that when you think about it logically they can't really be blamed for taking the stance that they have. I'm as annoyed at the council as the rest of you and at the end of ME3 I expect Shepard to get some sort of apology but at the same time I understand thier argument.

An interesting paralell would be the whole entire War in Iraq thing. The US government invaded Iraq beacuse a handful of officials said Sadam had Weapons of Mass Destructions, there was no physical proof but they went in anyway. Here we are, several years later, no WOMD, numerous dead US soldiers ( not to mention other allied soldiers ) and no peace in Iraq.
 
In the ME Universe, the Council is taking a very cautious stance on the Reaper issue, none of them belive that Reapers exist but  they ae also smart enough to know they can't dissmiss Shepards warnings, that's why they have Shepard following up his own leads and gathering evidence. In my opinion it's better to know that the people who control the Nukes arn't trigger happy warmongerers who are looking for bogeymen  to fight.

[NephilimNexus]

It is far more likely that the Council will put Shepard on trial, blame him for the entire Reaper/Collector thing, lock him up forever as a Cerberus "terrorist" and then take all credit for saving the galaxy themselves.

And that's why I hate politicians...

Modifié par NephilimNexus, 11 juillet 2010 - 12:18 .

[Nightwriter]

Excuse me, they can't be blamed? Yes. Yes they can.

A huge ALIEN ship that a kindergartener could see isn't geth technology came down on the galactic center of government like the hand of God, damn near killing everything in it, and they've convinced themselves there's no need to investigate.

I'd understand that they can't act on so little evidence, but the least - absolute LEAST - they could do is launch a proper investigation. This is something that needs looking at. But they don't look. Because they don't want to.

Instead they've convinced themselves that Saren was able to take control of artificial machines because omg he's so charismatic. And why would Saren try to do all this? Who knows he's so charismatic. So he got the geth to build the most awesome warship ever designed - and they only built one? Omg he's so charismatic. Matriarch Benezia, one of the wisest and most respected figures in space, fell for his story? Omg he's so charismatic.

[Nightwriter]

Sovereign does not prove the existence of the Reapers.

Sovereign does prove that somethin's up and you need to take a second look at this sh*t.