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[SDNcN]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

SnakeHelah wrote...

I would also think it is a good idea if other characters/companions could have a romance with each other, it would make them more "alive" imo. Though I suppose that's a way too big work to do, even more voicing etc.

Uh...I have one thing to say to this.  Aerie/Haer'Dalis.

If I say more, I might spontaneously combust from the violent hate boiling up inside me, so I'll just shut up now.  

I never let them live long enough to see it happen.

[Herr Uhl]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

SnakeHelah wrote...

I would also think it is a good idea if other characters/companions could have a romance with each other, it would make them more "alive" imo. Though I suppose that's a way too big work to do, even more voicing etc.

Uh...I have one thing to say to this.  Aerie/Haer'Dalis.

If I say more, I might spontaneously combust from the violent hate boiling up inside me, so I'll just shut up now.  

That pansy needs something sharp in all the wobbly bits.

[Tiuwaz]

David Gaider wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
But I was starting to enjoy getting ninja-romanced.

Phooey.

Like the fellows who claimed they had NO IDEA that Zevran's offer of a massage in the privacy of their tent was a come-on?

Yes, there are some things we get to do now which will make the intent of a paraphrase clearer, which is nice. Like Mary suggests, the GameInformer article will explain this. Thunder a-plenty to be had, there.

Is it not possible to ditch the paraphrasing or enable full text dialogue choice? I really like to know what my character is going to say.

For me paraphrases disconnect from the character and makes it feel more like a movie then playing my own character. Of all the things this is really what I cant come to gripes with.

I am sure it will be a great game anyways, but this is for me (and others I am sure) a very bad change .

[Sable Rhapsody]

...never mind, you guys vocalised the hate for me ^^



Though in my case, it's really a "it's not you, it's me" scenario. The Woobie button in my brain is seriously broken. It's right next to the "ZOMG SO ANNOYING MUST KILL HORRIBLY" button, and if the character in question is just the tiniest bit off, it sends me into a murderous rage. A la my reaction to Aerie, Thane, and Anomen. My little pet peeve.

[tmp7704]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

Collider wrote...

My recommendation to the writers or scripters of this game is to make the triggers for romance more obvious.

You know, you might have gotten your wish.

But I was starting to enjoy getting ninja-romanced.

Phooey.

I'd have to agree; having the characters act more like someone who may be following their own desires rather than be 100% "jump? yes sir, how high sir?" made them feel more like real beings. Sure, Alistair getting weird ideas just because he's spoken to nicely once can make someone go  but hey, isn't it really what the men are like?

[Dave of Canada]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

SnakeHelah wrote...

I would also think it is a good idea if other characters/companions could have a romance with each other, it would make them more "alive" imo. Though I suppose that's a way too big work to do, even more voicing etc.

Uh...I have one thing to say to this.  Aerie/Haer'Dalis.

If I say more, I might spontaneously combust from the violent hate boiling up inside me, so I'll just shut up now.  

I don't know what that is, why would it cause you to explode from hate?

[Teredan]

i encourage bioware to try new things with companion relationships. (Yeah they kind of did that with every game but i want them to be even more experimential) ^^

[JamieCOTC]

David Gaider wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
Although there's also the opposite problem of the ninja romance: the scarily aggressive Shepard romance. Seriously, when I picked the romance dialogue for Garrus, I thought FemShep was going to jump him then and there.

I thought my FemShep was going to be brought up on sexual harassment charges by Jacob, I swear.

Shepherd: "Jacob. How you doin'? Looking mighty fine, there."
Jacob: "Umm... you know you're my commanding officer, right?"
Shepherd: "Do a little spin for me, baby. Yeah, that's nice."
Jacob: "I feel uncomfortable and awkward."
Shepherd: "Don't worry, baby. Momma bear will make it all better."



Maybe it was a Renegade thing, I don't know.

I think I'm juuust fine w/ subtlety. 

[Ziggy]

I agree with the OP and the dev's responses are quite reassuring - thanks

[Sable Rhapsody]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

SnakeHelah wrote...

I would also think it is a good idea if other characters/companions could have a romance with each other, it would make them more "alive" imo. Though I suppose that's a way too big work to do, even more voicing etc.

Uh...I have one thing to say to this.  Aerie/Haer'Dalis.

If I say more, I might spontaneously combust from the violent hate boiling up inside me, so I'll just shut up now.  

I don't know what that is, why would it cause you to explode from hate?

OK.  Readying the hate train.

Aerie and Haer'Dalis are two potential NPC companions in BG2, and the best argument I've ever seen against NPCs romancing each other.  I am not a horrible person who hates to see people other than the PC falling in love, I promise I'm not.  But having two NPCs chatter on about how TWU THEIR WUB is gets really old really fast.  This was compounded by the fact that Aerie is a love interest for a male PC, and Haer'Dalis was originally intended to be one for the female PC before his romance (and Valygar's romance) got axed, leaving the guys with 3 potential LIs, and the girls with one--Anomen, who is mixed at best and RAUGH WANT TO KILL HIM IN BOILING OIL at worst, depending on who you talk to.

If I'm being calm about it--which I'm trying to do right now--I don't think the NPC/NPC romance was implemented well for Aerie and Haer'Dalis.  Neither characters should be romance options for the PC if they romance each other, and they certainly shouldn't be capable of upbraiding or upstaging the PC.  If I'm being irrational about it, it honestly comes down to my furious loathing of Aerie.  Again, this is a matter of personal preference.  I'm not judging the writers, I just honestly can't stand Aerie and kind of want her to fall into a cage full of vampiric rats.

Like I said, my Woobie button is broken.  Woobie characters sometimes elicit the appropriate "d'awww" response from me.  But if I find the tiniest little thing annoying about them, I LOATHE THEM.  

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 11 juillet 2010 - 02:33 .

[HighMoon]

Here's a suggestion (this has been mentioned by a few people before). What if you had a companion coupling? I.e. a romance outside of yours between two of the companions OR two party members who are already in a relationship.

[Gegenlicht]

I thought the Haer'Dalis/Aerie romance was funny as all get out because Haer'Dalis is a skirt chaser and lying through his pointy teeth in my reading of it.



Anomen's just creepy, though. I'd rather romance Edwin or Korgan if I was female.

[SDNcN]

Gegenlicht wrote...
Anomen's just creepy, though. I'd rather romance Edwin or Korgan if I was female.

Seriously, Edwin and Korgan are both God Tier.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Golden-Rose wrote...

Here's a suggestion (this has been mentioned by a few people before). What if you had a companion coupling? I.e. a romance outside of yours between two of the companions OR two party members who are already in a relationship.

The thing is, I wouldn't mind it if it wasn't obnoxious.  If I remember correctly from Valkyria Chronicles--the only JRPG to date I have managed to complete without gnawing off my own limbs--two of the NPC squad members were married.  That NPC/NPC relationship showed in banter, and that was it.  Neither character was a romance interest for the main character, and their EPIC TWU WUV didn't upstage the main story or the main characters.  That's fine, and I thought it was sort of a sweet little subplot.

*controls the hate for Aerie*  I will not rant again about Aerie.  I will not rant about Aerie.  Ranting is the mind-killer :innocent:

[UndercoverDoctor]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...
You know, you might have gotten your wish.

And there it is again 

Some of this is in the Gameinformer article, and I'm trying not to steal their thunder. Thunder theft is a serious crime!

Will there perchance be situations where I can harden characters? such ashow I was able to, Alistar and Leliana in Dragon Age: Origins?

[zahra]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

The problems with romance in ME2 swings in three different directions:
You'd either jump on them, you're not even showing any restraint and it's like you want to sleep with them right there and then. The Jacob paragon options for female Shepard will always lead to flirting and such, it's rather.. odd.

You either romanced them without knowing you romanced them, such was the case with Jack. There was no friend option with her, you'd either be there to help with her problems (romance) or you were there to ****** her off. I had to stop talking with her because there's a dialogue choice at the end that either insults her and pushes her away or makes her your romance option (the middle option still leads to romance)

There's no romance dialogue until you complete their sidequest, there's not one hint of romance until then and after that they'll come on to you and you just say "I love you" and you bed them - end of the romance, nothing else.

Yeah, I'm getting a little sick of the 11th hour sexing too.  Though if DA2 does legitimately take place over a decade (and not in the Fable2 sense) I doubt that will happen.  I liked that in DA:O you could pace the romance however you wanted.  I hopped into bed with Alistair after Redcliffe and the Circle; it made sense for the PC I was playing, and it was a refreshing change from the "WE'RE ABOUT TO DIE LET'S HAVE SEXY TIEMS"

David Gaider wrote...
I thought my FemShep was going to be brought up on sexual harassment charges by Jacob, I swear.

Shepherd: "Jacob. How you doin'? Looking mighty fine, there."
Jacob: "Umm... you know you're my commanding officer, right?"
Shepherd: "Do a little spin for me, baby. Yeah, that's nice."
Jacob: "I feel uncomfortable and awkward."
Shepherd: "Don't worry, baby. Momma bear will make it all better."



Maybe it was a Renegade thing, I don't know.

Nope.  I had to replay the Jacob conversation about three times to figure out which dialog choices didn't result in Shepard having to attend "Workplace Sensitivity" when all was said and done.  It WAS unintentionally hilarious, and it IS possible to talk to Jacob without jumping his bones, but it shouldn't have required three reloads on my part.

THIS. What is up with the Femshep and Jacob interaction! Even the camera angles during the conversation is cringe-worthy. Stop staring at his ass Commander. Stoppit. 

I was almost expecting Jacob to call her out for sexual harassment. Such a massive leap from Shepards ME1 days of monotone "flirting" with Kaiden.

[Sable Rhapsody]

SDNcN wrote...

Gegenlicht wrote...
Anomen's just creepy, though. I'd rather romance Edwin or Korgan if I was female.

Seriously, Edwin and Korgan are both God Tier.

I let out a fangirly squee of epic proportions when I bumped into Edwina in DA:O.  

Korgan, though?  He of the necklace of ears or somesuch?  He was fun to have in my evil party, but I wouldn't say he was my favorite.  Viconia was my homegirl.  And I get around the paucity of LIs whom I don't want to rabbit-punch through judicious use of fan-made NPC mods.  

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 11 juillet 2010 - 03:05 .

[Gegenlicht]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

I let out a fangirly squee of epic proportions when I bumped into Edwina in DA:O.  

Korgan, though?  He of the necklace of ears or somesuch?  He was fun to have in my evil party, but I wouldn't say he was my favorite.  Viconia was my homegirl.  And I get around the paucity of LIs whom I don't want to rabbit-punch through judicious use of fan-made NPC mods.  

It was mostly a comment on how bad I thought Anomen was. Edwin and Korgan are both major ****s in their own right, not the kind of person you'd generally want to romance unless you have issues. On the upside, they knew what they were and didn't have any issues with it. But Anomen who was basically thrown at you seemed to exist in a state of constant self-righteous indignation and throwing tantrums because of it. He's just as bad as the other two, but seemingly existing in a state of constant denial. He makes Morrigan seem personable.

And I have my issues with Viconia. She's great up to the point where she falls apart and reveals that under the tough, self-sufficient exterior she really just wants to be held. That's a terrible trend Bioware's continued with all their confident females. Rather sad, really.

[Bryy_Miller]

David Gaider wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
But I was starting to enjoy getting ninja-romanced.

Phooey.

Like the fellows who claimed they had NO IDEA that Zevran's offer of a massage in the privacy of their tent was a come-on?

That was awkward for me.

Mary Kirby wrote...

Collider wrote...

My recommendation to the writers or scripters of this game is to make the triggers for romance more obvious. Dragon Age was certainly better than Mass Effect 1 about what started the relationship (not to mention being able to break up with the love interest), but I have still heard of people "accidentally" romancing someone.

I was playing a female Warden the other day and for whatever reason, I seemed to have started the Alistair romance without even flirting with him. I think saying "Thank you Alistair, that was very sweet" when Alistair said that he enjoyed traveling with the Warden (in the conversation after Goldanna) may have triggered it. I'm not sure how thanking him for his words = romance with him.

This is, of course, remedied just by "breaking up" with him, but I'd like for the developers make the triggers more obvious.

You know, you might have gotten your wish.

Allistair just has  really bad way of reading things.

[NKKKK]

David Gaider wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...
Although there's also the opposite problem of the ninja romance: the scarily aggressive Shepard romance. Seriously, when I picked the romance dialogue for Garrus, I thought FemShep was going to jump him then and there.

I thought my FemShep was going to be brought up on sexual harassment charges by Jacob, I swear.

Shepherd: "Jacob. How you doin'? Looking mighty fine, there."
Jacob: "Umm... you know you're my commanding officer, right?"
Shepherd: "Do a little spin for me, baby. Yeah, that's nice."
Jacob: "I feel uncomfortable and awkward."
Shepherd: "Don't worry, baby. Momma bear will make it all better."



Maybe it was a Renegade thing, I don't know.

It's funny, cause it's true, I know you have nothing to do with Mass Effect, but someone needs to make sure that dialogue never happens again...unless triggered.

Modifié par NKKKK, 11 juillet 2010 - 09:14 .

[Fraevar]

David Gaider wrote...

I thought my FemShep was going to be brought up on sexual harassment charges by Jacob, I swear.

Shepherd: "Jacob. How you doin'? Looking mighty fine, there."
Jacob: "Umm... you know you're my commanding officer, right?"
Shepherd: "Do a little spin for me, baby. Yeah, that's nice."
Jacob: "I feel uncomfortable and awkward."
Shepherd: "Don't worry, baby. Momma bear will make it all better."



Maybe it was a Renegade thing, I don't know.

No, that's just what happens if you try to be nice to the guy , and thus select the "nice" upper-right option on the dialogue wheel. And yeah - I had the same reaction, especially since my femShep was a Paragon

[SirOccam]

David Gaider wrote...

Jacob: "I feel uncomfortable and awkward."

I just hope that line is in the game somewhere. LOL.

[WilliamShatner]

David Gaider wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

That word scares me.

Mary likes to tease.

Of course we'll have friendships. Followers are our favorite part of the game.

I don't think you read the OP correctly, Dave.

[Valthaur]

To be honest, I thought friendships with some of the Origins characters were better developed than anything before them (in my case Alistair, Leliana, Sten, Shale) But deeper is always better

[Gegenlicht]

Valthaur wrote...

But deeper is always better

*ahem*

Depth does not necessarily equal quality. Nerve ends stop at some point.

What?