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[Dynamomark]

Duncan spent part of his childhood in Free Marches. Since Hawke goes from Lothering whereabouts to Free Marches, I say it is possible we could get a quest from Duncan to complete in Free Marches.

Modifié par Dynamomark, 01 août 2010 - 12:27 .

[Games4ever]

Tindl wrote...

Games4ever wrote...

Another thing about this Duncan,I didn't really trust him either,there was something sneaky about him.

Not surprising, given his history  Read the books, they are great and very easy to read. Will show you why you feel as you do

Nah,don't have time for books me :-) would be more easy if you told me

[wicked_being]

Games4ever wrote...

Tindl wrote...

Games4ever wrote...

Another thing about this Duncan,I didn't really trust him either,there was something sneaky about him.

Not surprising, given his history  Read the books, they are great and very easy to read. Will show you why you feel as you do

Nah,don't have time for books me :-) would be more easy if you told me

Think Daveth

[captain.subtle]

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

He's dead, man. DEAD

or a darkspawn

....or DEAD.

Why OR?

He CAN'T become a Darkspawn. DEAD as Dead can be. Verdict passed.

[the-expatriate]

captain.subtle wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

He's dead, man. DEAD

or a darkspawn

....or DEAD.

Why OR?

He CAN'T become a Darkspawn. DEAD as Dead can be. Verdict passed.

You can never quite say with 100% confidence what is or isn't possible in a game, especially the type of setting like this which allows for many loopholes the that writers could exploit if they so choose. In reality, the absence of a body and only showing you his weapons is probably just a way to give the writers room to work if they did want to use him in the future. Whether they do or not is anybody's guess.

[captain.subtle]

the-expatriate wrote...

You can never quite say with 100% confidence what is or isn't possible in a game, especially the type of setting like this which allows for many loopholes the that writers could exploit if they so choose. In reality, the absence of a body and only showing you his weapons is probably just a way to give the writers room to work if they did want to use him in the future. Whether they do or not is anybody's guess.

If a patronizing explanation comes After the lore has been established would it NOT be called Ret-con?

[joriandrake]

There wouldn't be a bigger surprise in DA 3 or 2 than to see Duncan walk in and say something like "HAHA I planned all this" as the main villain, something along the lines of Jade Empire

[joriandrake]

captain.subtle wrote...

the-expatriate wrote...

You can never quite say with 100% confidence what is or isn't possible in a game, especially the type of setting like this which allows for many loopholes the that writers could exploit if they so choose. In reality, the absence of a body and only showing you his weapons is probably just a way to give the writers room to work if they did want to use him in the future. Whether they do or not is anybody's guess.

If a patronizing explanation comes After the lore has been established would it NOT be called Ret-con?

false belief, it can still be

DA1 was full of those mistakes and misunderstandings and simply wrong knowledges

[captain.subtle]

joriandrake wrote..

false belief, it can still be

DA1 was full of those mistakes and misunderstandings and simply wrong knowledges

You are forgetting how dumb we are too! I mean we just read all those things and get a feeling of humungous pride about how knowledgeable we are.... About time they slapped us awake I say..... :innocent:. There's an Aesop for you...

Modifié par captain.subtle, 01 août 2010 - 05:39 .

[joriandrake]

captain.subtle wrote...

joriandrake wrote..

false belief, it can still be

DA1 was full of those mistakes and misunderstandings and simply wrong knowledges

You are forgetting how dumb we are too! I mean we just read all those things and get a feeling of humungous pride about how knowledgeable we are.... About time they slapped us awake I say..... :innocent:. There's an Aesop for you...

sure, everything can happen, that is why i said Duncan could get back as darkspawn

[captain.subtle]

joriandrake wrote...

sure, everything can happen, that is why i said Duncan could get back as darkspawn

And a Bearded Darkspawn at that....

[joriandrake]

captain.subtle wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

sure, everything can happen, that is why i said Duncan could get back as darkspawn

And a Bearded Darkspawn at that....

the beard will be the most dangerous

[captain.subtle]

joriandrake wrote...



the beard will be the most dangerous

Actually Hawke will have Beard as an equipable item.

Duncan will drop, "A tainted Beard", that will be Dex -1 but huge bonus to Coercion, considering how he made the illogical deals like in the Human Noble storyline (where he almost Hypnotizes everyone to make the Younger Cousland a GW)  go through in a jiffy.

Modifié par captain.subtle, 01 août 2010 - 05:47 .

[the-expatriate]

captain.subtle wrote...

the-expatriate wrote...

You can never quite say with 100% confidence what is or isn't possible in a game, especially the type of setting like this which allows for many loopholes the that writers could exploit if they so choose. In reality, the absence of a body and only showing you his weapons is probably just a way to give the writers room to work if they did want to use him in the future. Whether they do or not is anybody's guess.

If a patronizing explanation comes After the lore has been established would it NOT be called Ret-con?

Yes it would.... IF it was established. However, lack of body = not 100% established as dead, regardless of what Mr. Gaider has said. What he said basically amounts to that they have no current plans for him. But the option is still there. Though I should mention that I'm not exactly rooting for this... bringing back Duncan at this point would likely be a cheesy storytelling cop out. But if they came up with a really cool idea that made it fit naturally and well into the story, I'd be for it.

Modifié par the-expatriate, 01 août 2010 - 05:50 .

[captain.subtle]

the-expatriate wrote...


Yes it would.... IF it was established. However, lack of body = not 100% established as dead, regardless of what Mr. Gaider has said. What he said basically amounts to that they have no current plans for him. But the option is still there. Though I should mention that I'm not exactly rooting for this... bringing back Duncan at this point would likely be a cheesy storytelling cop out. But if they came up with a really cool idea that made it fit naturally and well into the story, I'd be for it.

I meant the Darkspawn lore.....

[joriandrake]

captain.subtle wrote...

the-expatriate wrote...


Yes it would.... IF it was established. However, lack of body = not 100% established as dead, regardless of what Mr. Gaider has said. What he said basically amounts to that they have no current plans for him. But the option is still there. Though I should mention that I'm not exactly rooting for this... bringing back Duncan at this point would likely be a cheesy storytelling cop out. But if they came up with a really cool idea that made it fit naturally and well into the story, I'd be for it.

I meant the Darkspawn lore.....

tthere are darkspawn who don't fit into the known lore, like most of Awakening

[the-expatriate]

captain.subtle wrote...

the-expatriate wrote...


Yes it would.... IF it was established. However, lack of body = not 100% established as dead, regardless of what Mr. Gaider has said. What he said basically amounts to that they have no current plans for him. But the option is still there. Though I should mention that I'm not exactly rooting for this... bringing back Duncan at this point would likely be a cheesy storytelling cop out. But if they came up with a really cool idea that made it fit naturally and well into the story, I'd be for it.

I meant the Darkspawn lore.....

Well, that may be established lore. Though they've already introduced grey wardens getting more darkspawn-like as they get older (hence the tradition of going to die in the deep roads). Fact is, the writer's are commonly establishing lore like that only to introduce exceptions, thereby making them all the more shocking (and cool).

But my argument was never that the writer's could make him a darkspawn. That's just one possibility, if they really wanted to make that possible in the the Dragon Age universe. My point was more that, through what they HAVEN'T told the audience, that it's theoretically possible they could use Duncan as a character in a new story, whether as alive, a darkspawn, or through some other more complicated means. Probable? Maybe not. Just that it doesn't make sense to be 100% sure one way or another. I for one look forward to any twists the devs may toss at us 

Modifié par the-expatriate, 01 août 2010 - 06:09 .

[joriandrake]

nothing is established yet, see qunari and darkspawn facelift

Modifié par joriandrake, 01 août 2010 - 06:14 .

[captain.subtle]

I know... I am just a tad slow in catching up with the amazing brains here.. My Bad.

Especially when:

Given:

Everything NOT established =infinity =continuity  --- (1)


Proof: infinity + Finite(y) = Infinite.... = Continuity! ---- SEE 1

where: Finite =new lore

QED: Thus adding to known lore does not break continuity!

So yeah, they are mathematically justified too...

Modifié par captain.subtle, 01 août 2010 - 06:20 .

[joriandrake]

captain.subtle wrote...

I know... I am just a tad slow in catching up with the amazing brains here.. My Bad.

Especially when:

Given:

Everything NOT established =infinity =continuity  --- (1)


Proof: infinity + Finite(y) = Infinite.... = Continuity! ---- SEE 1

QED: Thus adding to known lore does not break continuity!

So yeah, they are mathematically justified too...

The Architect & Co

[the-expatriate]

captain.subtle wrote...

I know... I am just a tad slow in catching up with the amazing brains here.. My Bad.

Especially when:

Given:

Everything NOT established =infinity =continuity  --- (1)


Proof: infinity + Finite(y) = Infinite.... = Continuity! ---- SEE 1

where: Finite =new lore

QED: Thus adding to known lore does not break continuity!

So yeah, they are mathematically justified too...

You get all sorts of interesting things when you introduce mathematical infinities into equations  Though in physics, it usually just amounts to problems... <_<

But for this, let's just stick with your justification for continuity with new lore.  

Modifié par the-expatriate, 01 août 2010 - 06:35 .

[Relshar]

Duncan is dead, dead Duncan. The Duncan is dead ok.

[Dynamomark]

Relshar wrote...

Duncan is dead, dead Duncan. The Duncan is dead ok.

Not if the game starts before Ostagar, which we don't know yet when it starts

[the-expatriate]

Relshar wrote...

Duncan is dead, dead Duncan. The Duncan is dead ok.

Hm. Wow. I guess he's dead then

That should make the cameo by a dead Duncan all the more interesting 

Modifié par the-expatriate, 01 août 2010 - 08:18 .

[Dynamomark]

Show me the body!